Near Theft of my S3

[xjay1337]

Herbs said:

Thirdly: you talk about additional security but then admit you would give it up anyway so why is it worth the cost and hassle to have in the first place???

The <5% chance of them coming back vs the 95% chance them buggering off.

[TooMany2cvs]

Herbs said:

TooMany2cvs said:

How much more severe do you want, bearing in mind the death penalty's not on the cards?

Coming soon: "Chop their hands off!"

(BTW, remember that the death penalty ain't coming back while the UK is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights, and that has nothing at all to do with brexit or the EU...)

[Herbs]

xjay1337 said:

Herbs said:

Thirdly: you talk about additional security but then admit you would give it up anyway so why is it worth the cost and hassle to have in the first place???

The <5% chance of them coming back vs the 95% chance them buggering off.

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

[xjay1337]

Herbs said:

xjay1337 said:

Herbs said:

Thirdly: you talk about additional security but then admit you would give it up anyway so why is it worth the cost and hassle to have in the first place???

The <5% chance of them coming back vs the 95% chance them buggering off.

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

I will freely admit I have no figures.
Then again, neither do you.

There is no evidence for this either way, it just makes sense that in most cases , most thefts , when stumbled upon, get very disorganised very quickly. Plenty of failed theft CCTV to back this up. Most just want to get in and out as soon as possible without being caught.

I'm just saying that devices like the Ghost and other immobilisor / anti hijack systems are good

[hondansx]

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

[ALawson]

Fascinating reading. The issue, whether its 1% or 5%, of those who will enter the house and demand......(whatever to start the car) is that you cannot predict what behaviours will happen.

It may be a gun, knife, battery drill, who knows. But depending upon your or your wife's, kids reaction could have a significant effect on the what might happen.

I would rather they take the car and ps off, I wouldn't be trying to console myself when te wife or kids have been injured/killed/raped or whatever.

Lucky I cannot afford to purchase outright such metal, and choose not to hire one. It won't be long until there is a slaying in a private dwelling over Hot Hatch.

[IJB1959]

IJB1959 said:

xjay1337 said:

The <5% chance of them coming back vs the 95% chance them buggering off.

Spot on comment!

Edited by IJB1959 on Thursday 11th January 15:22

[GG89]

Over 3 months in to ownership of my S3 Sportback without having to dominate my hallway (Touch wood). Good home alarm system and security lights, keys come to the bedroom with me every night. My flat is all on one level so that probably puts thieves off to some degree.

Glasgow definitely isn't free from car thieves but I think it's more rife down south.

[Digga]

Evanivitch said:

Digga said:

Long term, there is only one solution; the government has to spend money on policing and building more prisons. Employ offices to detect and apprehend criminals. Make the consequences of car theft very, very severe, make sure those that do it stay inside for a long while. A locked-up thief cannot steal cars or put the lives of the general public at risk.

Or they could reduce social inequality...

• Scarpers*

It's not social inequality that makes s park in disabled spaces when they're able, drop litter, commit fraud, burglary, theft or assault.

There are some people who, for the greater benefit, probably just need to be inside until they're no longer a viable threat to society. The tiny subset of bds that would break into a house for a car probably has a fairly good crossover with those who commit all the other minor unpleasantness they rest of us have to deal with every day.

[Herbs]

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

I don't need to, i'm playing devils advocate.

I personally couldn't care whether it is 1%, 5% or 50% - all of those figures are too much for me to risk for the sake of a car.

I'm paying out for a car, i'm paying insurance, i'm paying RFL - i'm not forking out any more money on the small chance that someone breaks into my house, finds the keys, can't start it and buggers off.

If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.

PS I don't read the Mail

[Herbs]

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

Yet, if you put a Ghost on those cars?..........

[IJB1959]

ALawson said:

Fascinating reading. The issue, whether its 1% or 5%, of those who will enter the house and demand......(whatever to start the car) is that you cannot predict what behaviours will happen.

It may be a gun, knife, battery drill, who knows. But depending upon your or your wife's, kids reaction could have a significant effect on the what might happen.

I would rather they take the car and ps off, I wouldn't be trying to console myself when te wife or kids have been injured/killed/raped or whatever.

Lucky I cannot afford to purchase outright such metal, and choose not to hire one. It won't be long until there is a slaying in a private dwelling over Hot Hatch.

So much paranoia on here, get a bloody grip.

[xjay1337]

Herbs said:

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

Yet, if you put a Ghost on those cars?..........

If you put a ghost on those cars then they would no longer be able to easily steal the car.
They would be forced to break in for the code. That is assuming they don't just think their software is ste or there is another problem.

[Taaaaang]

Obviously the focus here is on the fast VAGs and the odd fast Ford but are other cars getting the same treatment?

Are older and more prestige cars getting taken as well? Ferraris, Porsches etc?

[70proof]

Taaaaang said:

Obviously the focus here is on the fast VAGs and the odd fast Ford but are other cars getting the same treatment?

Are older and more prestige cars getting taken as well? Ferraris, Porsches etc?

4x4s are being stolen for africa, mercs and bmws etc for eastern europe, and hot hatches for breaking/parts/gettaway cars

cashpoint robbery, ie stealing the bloody machine ala fast furious 5 seem to big and disco's/shoguns are good for pulling the thing out

though a ferrari might be worth more, getting rid will not be so easy...

[andrewparker]

IJB1959 said:

ALawson said:

Fascinating reading. The issue, whether its 1% or 5%, of those who will enter the house and demand......(whatever to start the car) is that you cannot predict what behaviours will happen.

It may be a gun, knife, battery drill, who knows. But depending upon your or your wife's, kids reaction could have a significant effect on the what might happen.

I would rather they take the car and ps off, I wouldn't be trying to console myself when te wife or kids have been injured/killed/raped or whatever.

Lucky I cannot afford to purchase outright such metal, and choose not to hire one. It won't be long until there is a slaying in a private dwelling over Hot Hatch.

So much paranoia on here, get a bloody grip.

I don’t see any paranoia. If I was paranoid I wouldn’t have two Golf Rs parked outside my house every night. All I see is people who would rather not take the risks that you are clearly prepared to take. As far as I’m concerned the line is draw at the door of my house, beyond that I’ve done what I regard is reasonable to prevent the theft of my car, based on the safety of myself and my family. The risk of someone coming upstairs and holding a knife to my wife’s throat could be 0.000001%, but I’d still not take it. I honestly can’t work out why that is so hard to comprehend.

[Taaaaang]

70proof said:

Taaaaang said:

Obviously the focus here is on the fast VAGs and the odd fast Ford but are other cars getting the same treatment?

Are older and more prestige cars getting taken as well? Ferraris, Porsches etc?

4x4s are being stolen for africa, mercs and bmws etc for eastern europe, and hot hatches for breaking/parts/gettaway cars

cashpoint robbery, ie stealing the bloody machine ala fast furious 5 seem to big and disco's/shoguns are good for pulling the thing out

though a ferrari might be worth more, getting rid will not be so easy...

That all makes sense.

Thanks.

[IJB1959]

xjay1337 said:

Herbs said:

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

Yet, if you put a Ghost on those cars?..........

If you put a ghost on those cars then they would no longer be able to easily steal the car.
They would be forced to break in for the code. That is assuming they don't just think their software is ste or there is another problem.

And if you were not in, or the car was parked elsewhere?......maybe you would then worry that they may mentally torture it out of you by telepathy.

[IJB1959]

Herbs said:

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

I don't need to, i'm playing devils advocate.

I personally couldn't care whether it is 1%, 5% or 50% - all of those figures are too much for me to risk for the sake of a car.

I'm paying out for a car, i'm paying insurance, i'm paying RFL - i'm not forking out any more money on the small chance that someone breaks into my house, finds the keys, can't start it and buggers off.

If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.

PS I don't read the Mail

I stopped believing in the bogy man when I was about 5.........

[xjay1337]

IJB1959 said:

And if you were not in, or the car was parked elsewhere?......maybe you would then worry that they may mentally torture it out of you by telepathy.

Quite so.

Oh well, let's break out the shortbread and tea for the thieves.