Near Theft of my S3

[IJB1959]

IJB1959 said:

xjay1337 said:

The <5% chance of them coming back vs the 95% chance them buggering off.

Spot on comment!

Edited by IJB1959 on Thursday 11th January 15:22

[GG89]

Over 3 months in to ownership of my S3 Sportback without having to dominate my hallway (Touch wood). Good home alarm system and security lights, keys come to the bedroom with me every night. My flat is all on one level so that probably puts thieves off to some degree.

Glasgow definitely isn't free from car thieves but I think it's more rife down south.

[Digga]

Evanivitch said:

Digga said:

Long term, there is only one solution; the government has to spend money on policing and building more prisons. Employ offices to detect and apprehend criminals. Make the consequences of car theft very, very severe, make sure those that do it stay inside for a long while. A locked-up thief cannot steal cars or put the lives of the general public at risk.

Or they could reduce social inequality...

• Scarpers*

It's not social inequality that makes s park in disabled spaces when they're able, drop litter, commit fraud, burglary, theft or assault.

There are some people who, for the greater benefit, probably just need to be inside until they're no longer a viable threat to society. The tiny subset of bds that would break into a house for a car probably has a fairly good crossover with those who commit all the other minor unpleasantness they rest of us have to deal with every day.

[Herbs]

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

I don't need to, i'm playing devils advocate.

I personally couldn't care whether it is 1%, 5% or 50% - all of those figures are too much for me to risk for the sake of a car.

I'm paying out for a car, i'm paying insurance, i'm paying RFL - i'm not forking out any more money on the small chance that someone breaks into my house, finds the keys, can't start it and buggers off.

If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.

PS I don't read the Mail

[Herbs]

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

Yet, if you put a Ghost on those cars?..........

[IJB1959]

ALawson said:

Fascinating reading. The issue, whether its 1% or 5%, of those who will enter the house and demand......(whatever to start the car) is that you cannot predict what behaviours will happen.

It may be a gun, knife, battery drill, who knows. But depending upon your or your wife's, kids reaction could have a significant effect on the what might happen.

I would rather they take the car and ps off, I wouldn't be trying to console myself when te wife or kids have been injured/killed/raped or whatever.

Lucky I cannot afford to purchase outright such metal, and choose not to hire one. It won't be long until there is a slaying in a private dwelling over Hot Hatch.

So much paranoia on here, get a bloody grip.

[xjay1337]

Herbs said:

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

Yet, if you put a Ghost on those cars?..........

If you put a ghost on those cars then they would no longer be able to easily steal the car.
They would be forced to break in for the code. That is assuming they don't just think their software is ste or there is another problem.

[Taaaaang]

Obviously the focus here is on the fast VAGs and the odd fast Ford but are other cars getting the same treatment?

Are older and more prestige cars getting taken as well? Ferraris, Porsches etc?

[70proof]

Taaaaang said:

Obviously the focus here is on the fast VAGs and the odd fast Ford but are other cars getting the same treatment?

Are older and more prestige cars getting taken as well? Ferraris, Porsches etc?

4x4s are being stolen for africa, mercs and bmws etc for eastern europe, and hot hatches for breaking/parts/gettaway cars

cashpoint robbery, ie stealing the bloody machine ala fast furious 5 seem to big and disco's/shoguns are good for pulling the thing out

though a ferrari might be worth more, getting rid will not be so easy...

[andrewparker]

IJB1959 said:

ALawson said:

Fascinating reading. The issue, whether its 1% or 5%, of those who will enter the house and demand......(whatever to start the car) is that you cannot predict what behaviours will happen.

It may be a gun, knife, battery drill, who knows. But depending upon your or your wife's, kids reaction could have a significant effect on the what might happen.

I would rather they take the car and ps off, I wouldn't be trying to console myself when te wife or kids have been injured/killed/raped or whatever.

Lucky I cannot afford to purchase outright such metal, and choose not to hire one. It won't be long until there is a slaying in a private dwelling over Hot Hatch.

So much paranoia on here, get a bloody grip.

I don’t see any paranoia. If I was paranoid I wouldn’t have two Golf Rs parked outside my house every night. All I see is people who would rather not take the risks that you are clearly prepared to take. As far as I’m concerned the line is draw at the door of my house, beyond that I’ve done what I regard is reasonable to prevent the theft of my car, based on the safety of myself and my family. The risk of someone coming upstairs and holding a knife to my wife’s throat could be 0.000001%, but I’d still not take it. I honestly can’t work out why that is so hard to comprehend.

[Taaaaang]

70proof said:

Taaaaang said:

Obviously the focus here is on the fast VAGs and the odd fast Ford but are other cars getting the same treatment?

Are older and more prestige cars getting taken as well? Ferraris, Porsches etc?

4x4s are being stolen for africa, mercs and bmws etc for eastern europe, and hot hatches for breaking/parts/gettaway cars

cashpoint robbery, ie stealing the bloody machine ala fast furious 5 seem to big and disco's/shoguns are good for pulling the thing out

though a ferrari might be worth more, getting rid will not be so easy...

That all makes sense.

Thanks.

[IJB1959]

xjay1337 said:

Herbs said:

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

Yet, if you put a Ghost on those cars?..........

If you put a ghost on those cars then they would no longer be able to easily steal the car.
They would be forced to break in for the code. That is assuming they don't just think their software is ste or there is another problem.

And if you were not in, or the car was parked elsewhere?......maybe you would then worry that they may mentally torture it out of you by telepathy.

[IJB1959]

Herbs said:

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

I don't need to, i'm playing devils advocate.

I personally couldn't care whether it is 1%, 5% or 50% - all of those figures are too much for me to risk for the sake of a car.

I'm paying out for a car, i'm paying insurance, i'm paying RFL - i'm not forking out any more money on the small chance that someone breaks into my house, finds the keys, can't start it and buggers off.

If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.

PS I don't read the Mail

I stopped believing in the bogy man when I was about 5.........

[xjay1337]

IJB1959 said:

And if you were not in, or the car was parked elsewhere?......maybe you would then worry that they may mentally torture it out of you by telepathy.

Quite so.

Oh well, let's break out the shortbread and tea for the thieves.

[Herbs]

IJB1959 said:

Herbs said:

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

I don't need to, i'm playing devils advocate.

I personally couldn't care whether it is 1%, 5% or 50% - all of those figures are too much for me to risk for the sake of a car.

I'm paying out for a car, i'm paying insurance, i'm paying RFL - i'm not forking out any more money on the small chance that someone breaks into my house, finds the keys, can't start it and buggers off.

If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.

PS I don't read the Mail

I stopped believing in the bogy man when I was about 5.........

Congratulations.

Not sure what your point is though?

Thankfully I don't live in a crime hot spot nor am I worried about been burgled and waking up with a knife to my throat.

Hence why I am not worried about leaving my keys downstairs

How is that hard to understand?

Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man"

[andrewparker]

Herbs said:

Not sure what your point is though?

Not entirely sure he knows to be honest.

[IJB1959]

Herbs said:

IJB1959 said:

Herbs said:

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

I don't need to, i'm playing devils advocate.

I personally couldn't care whether it is 1%, 5% or 50% - all of those figures are too much for me to risk for the sake of a car.

I'm paying out for a car, i'm paying insurance, i'm paying RFL - i'm not forking out any more money on the small chance that someone breaks into my house, finds the keys, can't start it and buggers off.

If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.

PS I don't read the Mail

I stopped believing in the bogy man when I was about 5.........

Congratulations.

Not sure what your point is though?

Thankfully I don't live in a crime hot spot nor am I worried about been burgled and waking up with a knife to my throat.

Hence why I am not worried about leaving my keys downstairs

How is that hard to understand?

Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man"

[quote] 'If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.'

[quote] 'Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man" '

[Herbs]

IJB1959 said:

Herbs said:

IJB1959 said:

Herbs said:

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

I don't need to, i'm playing devils advocate.

I personally couldn't care whether it is 1%, 5% or 50% - all of those figures are too much for me to risk for the sake of a car.

I'm paying out for a car, i'm paying insurance, i'm paying RFL - i'm not forking out any more money on the small chance that someone breaks into my house, finds the keys, can't start it and buggers off.

If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.

PS I don't read the Mail

I stopped believing in the bogy man when I was about 5.........

Congratulations.

Not sure what your point is though?

Thankfully I don't live in a crime hot spot nor am I worried about been burgled and waking up with a knife to my throat.

Hence why I am not worried about leaving my keys downstairs

How is that hard to understand?

Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man"

[quote] 'If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.'

[quote] 'Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man" '

So what there have I done there that millions of homeowners across the country have not done? The dog, alarm and CCTV are nothing to do with my cars.

Slightly different to paying hundreds to improve the security on my CAR not HOME!

[IJB1959]

Herbs said:

IJB1959 said:

Herbs said:

IJB1959 said:

Herbs said:

hondansx said:

Herbs said:

I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.

Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?

Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?

This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...

Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17

I don't need to, i'm playing devils advocate.

I personally couldn't care whether it is 1%, 5% or 50% - all of those figures are too much for me to risk for the sake of a car.

I'm paying out for a car, i'm paying insurance, i'm paying RFL - i'm not forking out any more money on the small chance that someone breaks into my house, finds the keys, can't start it and buggers off.

If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.

PS I don't read the Mail

I stopped believing in the bogy man when I was about 5.........

Congratulations.

Not sure what your point is though?

Thankfully I don't live in a crime hot spot nor am I worried about been burgled and waking up with a knife to my throat.

Hence why I am not worried about leaving my keys downstairs

How is that hard to understand?

Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man"

[quote] 'If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.'

[quote] 'Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man" '

So what there have I done there that millions of homeowners across the country have not done?

Slightly different to paying hundreds to improve the security on my CAR not HOME!

Not really, your home is insured (I imagine) as is your car. My point is that why make it easy to steal the car and have a house like Fort Knox? TBH, a competent thief will break into any house with CCTV & an alarm, but driving away a properly immobilised car is far more difficult. People on here seem to be paranoid about being physically threatened for a immobiliser code ect, whereas the same could happen looking for jewellery or cash in your house. I could be said that a house with visible CCTV & alarm has something valuable to protect inside so may be more of a target? The thing is to take reasonable precautions to protect both your car and home and stop worrying about crime percentages and what may or may not happen. Theft is common yes, but violent theft is not. I find it sad that some people on here will not buy certain cars thinking that someone will potentially stab them for it......yes it does happen, but it is VERY rare. Far too much scaremongering going on.

[Herbs]

IJB1959 said:

Not really, your home is insured (I imagine) as is your car. My point is that why make it easy to steal the car and have a house like Fort Knox?

I'm not making it easy to steal the car and the house isn't Fort Knox - it's sensible precautions and reduces house insurance.

TBH, a competent thief will break into any house with CCTV & an alarm, but driving away a properly immobilised car is far more difficult. People on here seem to be paranoid about being physically threatened for a immobiliser code ect, whereas the same could happen looking for jewellery or cash in your house.

Of course it could, but the precautions remain the same, no more, no less.

I could be said that a house with visible CCTV & alarm has something valuable to protect inside so may be more of a target?

Yes it could except that it all covert, you wouldn't see any of it unless you are already on my land which means getting through gates etc

The thing is to take reasonable precautions to protect both your car and home and stop worrying about crime percentages and what may or may not happen.

That is exactly what I have been saying!!!!

Theft is common yes, but violent theft is not. I find it sad that some people on here will not buy certain cars thinking that someone will potentially stab them for it......yes it does happen, but it is VERY rare. Far too much scaremongering going on.

Fully agree with this.