Would you wait 45 minutes when filling up to get it free?

[GT119]

DoubleD said:

I would call a 2 tonne SUV fairly fat

We all know batteries add weight.
For reference the latest 4WD M5 is over 2 tonnes with a full tank of fuel and all fluids on board.
The i-pace will match its acceleration to the UK legal limit, carry the same number of people and their luggage, yet it takes up less space on the road, will cost significantly less to buy and will have a fraction of the running costs.
It may even be better to drive due to its lower centre of gravity.
First generation EV vs the 6th generation of arguably the world's best super saloon....I think credit should be given where its due.
Imagine how good the sixth generation of EV will be.

[captain_cynic]

GT119 said:

Its the same height and width as a Mini Countryman, and a bit longer of course.
That is not what I would call a fat SUV.

I would.

The most basic 1.5L Mini Conutrymunter is wider and taller than my BMW 240i... and I wouldn't call the 240i a small car even by today's standards.

The Cooper S even weighs more. Thats for a 2.0 petrol.

[ToothbrushMan]

Provided that the people in front (assuming they are in the same fantasy world)...................

dont after filling up get back into their car to then spend a further 5 minutes jeffing around in the glovebox,hand/man-bag or door pocket or fishing about for a CD, pinching their hair tufts into perfect position or whatever.

[heebeegeetee]

ToothbrushMan said:

Provided that the people in front (assuming they are in the same fantasy world)...................

dont after filling up get back into their car to then spend a further 5 minutes jeffing around in the glovebox,hand/man-bag or door pocket or fishing about for a CD, pinching their hair tufts into perfect position or whatever.

I laugh at the way almost everyone on these threads reckons that refueling is hassle free.

Thousands of filling stations have been closed over the years; the vast majority of filling stations now have shops attached to them. People do leave their cars on the pumps while they do their shopping, I've seen them.

I was once in a queue to pay for fuel, there were 9 people on front of me, everyone of them had a shopping basket of stuff to pay for.

Oh, and don't get me started on people who buy lottery tickets at filling stations, and want results checking and st. :grump:

[captain_cynic]

heebeegeetee said:

I laugh at the way almost everyone on these threads reckons that refueling is hassle free.

You can start crying now instead. My weekly refuel is completely hassle free. I pull up to the filling station at one of the 8 pumps (either side, the hose reaches over my massive 2 series), hold the handle down until it clicks and then simply go in and pay. The hardest thing is making small talk with the checkout operator.

I dont understand why people make it harder than it has to be. Its not a complex procedure fraught with danger.

heebeegeetee said:

Thousands of filling stations have been closed over the years; the vast majority of filling stations now have shops attached to them. People do leave their cars on the pumps while they do their shopping, I've seen them.

I was once in a queue to pay for fuel, there were 9 people on front of me, everyone of them had a shopping basket of stuff to pay for.

Oh, and don't get me started on people who buy lottery tickets at filling stations, and want results checking and st. :grump:

Try going at a different time, or to a different filling station.

Really, I get my fuel on a weekday on the way home from work. At an 8 pump filling station I find it hard to not get a pump as soon as I drive in and rarely end up stuck behind someone even though there's only one operator. The whole process is over in less than 5 minutes.

I haven't lined up for a pump in months and I refuel weekly.

[DoubleD]

GT119 said:

DoubleD said:

I would call a 2 tonne SUV fairly fat

We all know batteries add weight.
For reference the latest 4WD M5 is over 2 tonnes with a full tank of fuel and all fluids on board.
The i-pace will match its acceleration to the UK legal limit, carry the same number of people and their luggage, yet it takes up less space on the road, will cost significantly less to buy and will have a fraction of the running costs.
It may even be better to drive due to its lower centre of gravity.
First generation EV vs the 6th generation of arguably the world's best super saloon....I think credit should be given where its due.
Imagine how good the sixth generation of EV will be.

I would be interested to know where you got that weight from? All ive managed to find is that it will be slightly lighter than the old one, that one weighed 1975kg will fuel. The ipace is expected to weigh 2100kg.

No one knows how they will drive and more importantly, how much fun they will be.

[DoubleD]

I pay at pump. Refueling takes me a couple of minutes. Its all very easy.

[angels95]

heebeegeetee said:

I was once in a queue to pay for fuel, there were 9 people on front of me, everyone of them had a shopping basket of stuff to pay for.

Never had anything quite like that before.

The petrol station I often use has eight pumps. There is usually at least four pumps available. This is in a reasonably built-up area on my way home from work at about 6pm.

I fill the tank, which takes about a minute to a minute and a half from empty. I then go in and pay. If there is somebody queuing it can add up to a minute to the process, but normally there isn't.

Once I've paid, I go back to my sub-£1,000 car and a few hundred miles later, I do it all again.

[heebeegeetee]

captain_cynic said:

Try going at a different time, or to a different filling station.

Really, I get my fuel on a weekday on the way home from work. At an 8 pump filling station I find it hard to not get a pump as soon as I drive in and rarely end up stuck behind someone even though there's only one operator. The whole process is over in less than 5 minutes.

I haven't lined up for a pump in months and I refuel weekly.

The vast majority of people drive the same car, at the same times on the same routes almost all of the time, but sadly I'm not one of them.

There is only two filling stations on my usual route home, but for various reasons I'm often not or can't be on that route. However on many occasions I've gone out of my way to travel to that fuel station so that I can fill up in the manner you describe, but if you count the journey time it's still more than 5 mins. It's also in the middle of a right chav area, I've had one or two interesting 'experiences' there, but that's another story.

In fact thinking about it, my preferred route home is 10 miles and there isn't a fuel station, they've all been closed down. There is one slightly off route but it's a complete hypermarket bun fight. I do occasionally make special trips there out of hours.

[DoubleD]

You should get an electric car then

[GT119]

DoubleD said:

I would be interested to know where you got that weight from? All ive managed to find is that it will be slightly lighter than the old one, that one weighed 1975kg will fuel. The ipace is expected to weigh 2100kg.

No one knows how they will drive and more importantly, how much fun they will be.

I think you are correct, I used an 'as tested' weight for the previous M5.
I also recognise that the M5 is a deeply impressive car and a head-to-head test would most likely show that the i-pace doesn't quite measure up, but that's ok in my book if it gets close enough.
Jaguar have an opportunity to produce something interesting with the i-pace, and their track record in the areas of chassis dynamics, ride, handling and driver enjoyment for their performance cars gives me confidence.
Yes, a cynic might look at the electric e-type, formula e car, i-pace race series, etc. and think it is all marketing rubbish.
Neither you nor I can change the fact that EVs are the future, I'd rather embrace it and put my faith in the talented people at Jaguar and other manufacturers to come up trumps.

[GT119]

captain_cynic said:

I would.

The most basic 1.5L Mini Conutrymunter is wider and taller than my BMW 240i... and I wouldn't call the 240i a small car even by today's standards.

The Cooper S even weighs more. Thats for a 2.0 petrol.

What do you call an Audi Q7 then, a small city?

[DoubleD]

GT119 said:

I think you are correct, I used an 'as tested' weight for the previous M5.
I also recognise that the M5 is a deeply impressive car and a head-to-head test would most likely show that the i-pace doesn't quite measure up, but that's ok in my book if it gets close enough.
Jaguar have an opportunity to produce something interesting with the i-pace, and their track record in the areas of chassis dynamics, ride, handling and driver enjoyment for their performance cars gives me confidence.
Yes, a cynic might look at the electric e-type, formula e car, i-pace race series, etc. and think it is all marketing rubbish.
Neither you nor I can change the fact that EVs are the future, I'd rather embrace it and put my faith in the talented people at Jaguar and other manufacturers to come up trumps.

Electric cars could well be the future, but i will stick with choosing the best car that fits my needs.

[babatunde]

GT119 said:

We all know batteries add weight.
For reference the latest 4WD M5 is over 2 tonnes with a full tank of fuel and all fluids on board.
The i-pace will match its acceleration to the UK legal limit, carry the same number of people and their luggage, yet it takes up less space on the road, will cost significantly less to buy and will have a fraction of the running costs.
It may even be better to drive due to its lower centre of gravity.
First generation EV vs the 6th generation of arguably the world's best super saloon....I think credit should be given where its due.
Imagine how good the sixth generation of EV will be.

The natural competitor for the M5 is the P100D, the EV is faster 0 - 100mph - 0 10.2 secs, at which point Luddies will start winging about top speed, like as if they can drive faster than 100mph on the M1. then they move onto fast doesn't matter it's the way a car does it that's important, at which point you laugh and walk away before they tell you that they need to drive 600 miles without a break everyday.

[RobDickinson]

I've never driven either, I expect the M5 should be more fun, but even CH drove a P100D for top gear recently and was impressed.

The critics of EVs when they bring up the refuelling issues forget that most people would wake up to a full ev every day if they wanted. Those 20-30min fast charges for most would only happen a handful of times a year if ever, and they would never ever need to see a petrol station again.

[soad]

Time is money.

[FiF]

captain_cynic said:

heebeegeetee said:

I laugh at the way almost everyone on these threads reckons that refueling is hassle free.

You can start crying now instead. My weekly refuel is completely hassle free. I pull up to the filling station at one of the 8 pumps (either side, the hose reaches over my massive 2 series), hold the handle down until it clicks and then simply go in and pay. The hardest thing is making small talk with the checkout operator.

I dont understand why people make it harder than it has to be. Its not a complex procedure fraught with danger.

heebeegeetee said:

Thousands of filling stations have been closed over the years; the vast majority of filling stations now have shops attached to them. People do leave their cars on the pumps while they do their shopping, I've seen them.

I was once in a queue to pay for fuel, there were 9 people on front of me, everyone of them had a shopping basket of stuff to pay for.

Oh, and don't get me started on people who buy lottery tickets at filling stations, and want results checking and st. :grump:

Try going at a different time, or to a different filling station.

Really, I get my fuel on a weekday on the way home from work. At an 8 pump filling station I find it hard to not get a pump as soon as I drive in and rarely end up stuck behind someone even though there's only one operator. The whole process is over in less than 5 minutes.

I haven't lined up for a pump in months and I refuel weekly.

I refuel at least weekly too, don't even get the till operator interaction, pay at pump, in / out / done with it. Hassle none.

Having said that, our last runabout , ie 2nd vehicle, was only out of the county boundaries a total of ten times during the fifteen years we had it. On only one of those ten journeys would the mid journey multiple recharging needs have been such a pain that an EV would not have been practicable. On all the other days of those 15 years use, the distance travelled would have been within the range of an ordinary EV today, except for three days, and charging at some point could have been easily accommodated . For reference I'm using tge range of the 24 kWh Leaf, not even the 30 kWh version, and certainly not the range of a Tesla. Each day the vehicle would have had a full tank either from home or the free charger in the office car park. There's a place for EVs even now.

[Ares]

mwstewart said:

Ares said:

Beauty is though it doesn't have to be wasted time. You don't have to stand next to the car, you can sit with a coffee, tap away on a laptop, take a st, ring your mum, ring your wife...ring someone else's wife...

Sometimes it may work out, but mostly it won't. It's something else to manage - albeit a small cognitive load - but it's there, and I would choose not to have it in my downtime. Then there are the practicalities: what if I/we see friends and want a pint, what if something urgent comes up and I need to get away sooner? It's a shackle.

The scenario the OP poses doesn't work for me. Maybe if when I am retired and have a slower pace of life it would, or now if it was a valet service with complimentary two hours parking. It would then work for occasional town stuff.

It's no more of a shackle than petrol. If you are likely to need to run away, always make you sure have half a tank of gas or half a 'tank' of charge.

(and a pint & driving is very 1990s )

Flipside is, most of the time it will have a zero impact on your life as you'd charge overnight, at home.

[Ares]

siovey said:

If I could leave the car and come back, yes. But for the sake of saving £60 odd quid to wait 45 minutes for petrol, I couldn't be arsed to be honest

Edited by siovey on Saturday 16th September 21:13

Luckily you can!


I realise this is pistonheads, and a £60 for 45mins isn't even disposable pocket change, but for much of the population, £60 (per week) is a worthy saving.

[Douglas Quaid]

soad said:

Time is money.

You'd just do it overnight then while you sleep.