Would you wait 45 minutes when filling up to get it free?
Poll: Would you wait 45 minutes when filling up to get it free?
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Yup... on the assumption that it's a stop on a long journey (otherwise I'd have 'filled up' before leaving), and I'm probably going to go for a slash and grab a coffee anyway. In fact, it might well save me time in the long run, as I don't then need to go and fill up AFTER draining the sump and caffeinating, it'll be being refilled while I do it.
kambites said:
Douglas Quaid said:
soad said:
Time is money.
You'd just do it overnight then while you sleep. Do we allow people like this on Pistonheads?
Shakermaker said:
kambites said:
Douglas Quaid said:
soad said:
Time is money.
You'd just do it overnight then while you sleep. Do we allow people like this on Pistonheads?
My phone has wireless charging. Is it not possible to put induction loops in all service station / supermarket / multi level car parks / work car parks for the next generation of electric cars?
Legislation will inevitably lead this way as more and more eV's come 'on stream' and the infrastructure has to manage. Could you add them to motorways so the car charges as you drive?
Not sure of power requirements, but I think this would solve the issue of power cables on the street.
Legislation will inevitably lead this way as more and more eV's come 'on stream' and the infrastructure has to manage. Could you add them to motorways so the car charges as you drive?
Not sure of power requirements, but I think this would solve the issue of power cables on the street.
There's a few problems with wireless charging of cars...
Firstly it's not very efficient which isn't much of an issue for a phone, but matters for cars, especially if there's lots of them.
Secondly, it requires the two induction loops to be quite close together; the typical ride height of a car is far from ideal.
Thirdly, as far as I know, no-one really knows what effect the sort of power of EMF needed to charge a car in a sensible time has on human health.
Firstly it's not very efficient which isn't much of an issue for a phone, but matters for cars, especially if there's lots of them.
Secondly, it requires the two induction loops to be quite close together; the typical ride height of a car is far from ideal.
Thirdly, as far as I know, no-one really knows what effect the sort of power of EMF needed to charge a car in a sensible time has on human health.
Dempsey1971 said:
My phone has wireless charging. Is it not possible to put induction loops in all service station / supermarket / multi level car parks / work car parks for the next generation of electric cars?
It's here. Qualcomm (and others) have a wireless charging system that can charge cars travelling at upto 60mph.Once that is integrated into our transport network, the EV will become a viable option for everyone. The only issue will be if people want an EV, or want to stay with ICE.
Ares said:
siovey said:
If I could leave the car and come back, yes. But for the sake of saving £60 odd quid to wait 45 minutes for petrol, I couldn't be arsed to be honest
Luckily you can!Edited by siovey on Saturday 16th September 21:13
I realise this is pistonheads, and a £60 for 45mins isn't even disposable pocket change, but for much of the population, £60 (per week) is a worthy saving.
Shakermaker said:
Well we seem to have let a huge number of people into the thread who don't have access to off-road parking outside their house and have to leave their car "on the street" in such a manner that they won't possibly be able to ever charge an EV at home if they were to buy one.
Why do you think that is surprising? I think something like 40% of homes have no off-street parking.I notice the OP still hasn't amended his post to say that joining this exclusive, low cost but long wait fuel club has a rather high entry fee.
Edited by Mr2Mike on Tuesday 19th September 09:08
Mr2Mike said:
Shakermaker said:
Well we seem to have let a huge number of people into the thread who don't have access to off-road parking outside their house and have to leave their car "on the street" in such a manner that they won't possibly be able to ever charge an EV at home if they were to buy one.
Why do you think that is surprising? I think something like 40% of homes have no off-street parking.RobDickinson said:
because on street charging is a solved problem...
How has it been solved?Ares said:
It's here. Qualcomm (and others) have a wireless charging system that can charge cars travelling at upto 60mph.
Once that is integrated into our transport network, the EV will become a viable option for everyone. The only issue will be if people want an EV, or want to stay with ICE.
And what's the efficiency of the Qualcomm solution compared to using a cable? How much energy will be pissed away once the uptake of EV's is significant?Once that is integrated into our transport network, the EV will become a viable option for everyone. The only issue will be if people want an EV, or want to stay with ICE.
Edited by Mr2Mike on Tuesday 19th September 09:15
Mr2Mike said:
And what's the efficiency of the Qualcomm solution compared to using a cable? How much energy will be pissed away once the uptake of EV's is significant?
They claim the DC to DC efficiency of their stationary wireless systems is about 90%. I don't know how the ones designed to charge a vehicle when moving compare; probably a bit worse since putting the coil under a motorway surface will increase separation distance significantly. Of course the energy cost (and indeed cost in other ways) of installing the things would be obscene.
siovey said:
Ares said:
siovey said:
If I could leave the car and come back, yes. But for the sake of saving £60 odd quid to wait 45 minutes for petrol, I couldn't be arsed to be honest
Luckily you can!Edited by siovey on Saturday 16th September 21:13
I realise this is pistonheads, and a £60 for 45mins isn't even disposable pocket change, but for much of the population, £60 (per week) is a worthy saving.
Mr2Mike said:
And what's the efficiency of the Qualcomm solution compared to using a cable? How much energy will be pissed away once the uptake of EV's is significant?
No idea, it's still embryonic. But that, along with the battery swap designs that Tesla is working on, are both adding to the viability.Edited by Mr2Mike on Tuesday 19th September 09:15
Of course, leg-draggers will still focus on faults & negatives.
Mr2Mike said:
RobDickinson said:
because on street charging is a solved problem...
How has it been solved?http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/london-st...
and
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/tesla-urban-sup...
So much of stupid by the Anti-EV Crowd it beggars belief! 
1. You DO NOT have to own an EV car at the moment. So you can all stop losing sleep this week.
2. You DO NOT even have to own a Hybrid. Ditto above re the sleep.
3. The amount of investment into EV has increased hugely in the last 5 years and is increasing exponentially. Many Governments and Manufacturers have clearly decided EV is the next power-source for motor vehicles and are very actively working towards ditching ICE altogether.
4. The above DOES mean that anyone Anti-EV will have to one day accept that it is EV or nothing. So you can lose sleep over that if you must.
5. The dates we see bandied about are circa 2040 for EV being the predominant power-source but that doesn't mean to say existing ICE cars will need to be scrapped; they will simply be banned from certain Zones, much like we have already but far more wide-ranging I would expect. So lose sleep over that too if you must, but only from 2040-ish.
6. The whole 'How EV cars are to be charged' and 'Range' is a POINTLESS debate right now since the EV cars of 2040 will be somewhat more advanced than those we have today! Common-sense, people!
7. Anyone who tries to pick a fault with existing tech and 'oh, but EV hasn't progressed much in 70 years, it won't in the next 20' is being silly. The comparative investment in ICE vs EV in the last 70 years was very heavily pro-ICE. That is now very clearly changing. Multi-billion Pound companies DO NOT invest large-scale into something as significant as EV unless they are convinced of its success in the long term.
8. No-one will take your ICE weekend toy away from you in the Future, but you will be restricted as to where you can drive it.
9. If you live in a place with no parking several solutions will be available: rental, shared ownership, autonomous vehicles, in-road charging where you simply park OVER the charging device that wirelessly charges your car after recognising your Charging Account details.
Aaaaand finally, yes, one day folks, you WILL be forced into EV. Get used to it now, it'll be less painful for you when the time comes. But stop with the stupid comments relating to existing cars; they are only the early models compared to what is coming in the next 5, 10, 15 and 20 years.
If people all thought like many on PH in the past, we would never have had cars in the first place! "Oh, but we can't get one of THOSE contraptions, where are we going to park it! Getting fuel is so far away! Will it go as far as my horse? I can't see those selling well, too expensive, low range, slow..."
Clearly, there are a lot of 'Experts' on PH...expert at using Google only
I suggest that until you prove yourselves in the same way as Elon Musk, you should really leave it to the actual Experts...
1. You DO NOT have to own an EV car at the moment. So you can all stop losing sleep this week.
2. You DO NOT even have to own a Hybrid. Ditto above re the sleep.
3. The amount of investment into EV has increased hugely in the last 5 years and is increasing exponentially. Many Governments and Manufacturers have clearly decided EV is the next power-source for motor vehicles and are very actively working towards ditching ICE altogether.
4. The above DOES mean that anyone Anti-EV will have to one day accept that it is EV or nothing. So you can lose sleep over that if you must.
5. The dates we see bandied about are circa 2040 for EV being the predominant power-source but that doesn't mean to say existing ICE cars will need to be scrapped; they will simply be banned from certain Zones, much like we have already but far more wide-ranging I would expect. So lose sleep over that too if you must, but only from 2040-ish.
6. The whole 'How EV cars are to be charged' and 'Range' is a POINTLESS debate right now since the EV cars of 2040 will be somewhat more advanced than those we have today! Common-sense, people!
7. Anyone who tries to pick a fault with existing tech and 'oh, but EV hasn't progressed much in 70 years, it won't in the next 20' is being silly. The comparative investment in ICE vs EV in the last 70 years was very heavily pro-ICE. That is now very clearly changing. Multi-billion Pound companies DO NOT invest large-scale into something as significant as EV unless they are convinced of its success in the long term.
8. No-one will take your ICE weekend toy away from you in the Future, but you will be restricted as to where you can drive it.
9. If you live in a place with no parking several solutions will be available: rental, shared ownership, autonomous vehicles, in-road charging where you simply park OVER the charging device that wirelessly charges your car after recognising your Charging Account details.
Aaaaand finally, yes, one day folks, you WILL be forced into EV.
Get used to it now, it'll be less painful for you when the time comes. But stop with the stupid comments relating to existing cars; they are only the early models compared to what is coming in the next 5, 10, 15 and 20 years. If people all thought like many on PH in the past, we would never have had cars in the first place! "Oh, but we can't get one of THOSE contraptions, where are we going to park it! Getting fuel is so far away! Will it go as far as my horse? I can't see those selling well, too expensive, low range, slow..."
Clearly, there are a lot of 'Experts' on PH...expert at using Google only
I suggest that until you prove yourselves in the same way as Elon Musk, you should really leave it to the actual Experts... Edited by Coolbanana on Tuesday 19th September 09:55
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