Would you wait 45 minutes when filling up to get it free?

[FiF]

Thing is this question, EV or not EV, is like so many others that boils down to "it all depends." There is no single universally correct answer. For some based on needs / circumstances / location an EV would be the worst impractical answer, others where it would be a perfect solution, and every shade in between.

As usual folks tend to think of their own circumstances / usage, work out what makes sense for them plus what they like or dislike, and that then becomes the default correct answer for everyone else too, and another person making a different decision is, in their eyes, just plain wrong.

[thegreenhell]

I can guarantee that after a few of these cheap 45 minute fills/recharges someone will start a thread on voltheads.com asking if you would pay £50 to be able to refuel in less than 5 minutes at any one of thousands of refueling stations that can be found in every town and along every main road in the country.

[Jaguar steve]

Petrol? Yes of course I would. A full tank costs me about £85 out of taxed income so that works out as an effective gain of £147 an hour.

[S0 What]

Thie thread seems to be a string of people making up crap excuses not to like an EV simply because they dont like them why would you forget to fill your car up (that is after all the wifes job) the prev eve, who really does over 200 miles a day and what car does 800 to 1000 miles on one tank that only cost £45 ? christ mine shed does 70 mpg on a run but £45 wont get it 800 miles let alone 1000 miles and who drives 800 miles without stopping, i meen really who does that?
Ok i get it EVs are not for everyone but fook me the ste posted as an excuse to not have one is laughable, the reason i dont buy a supercar is once a year i have to move a wardrobe that's why i drive a van the other 364 days of the year, supercars are ste, pointless, unusable, ect ect ect

[oceanview]

Can I charge my milk float and cook my dinner at the same time?

Aren't EVs' boring even if they do 0-60 in nothing.nothing?!

[TSCfree]

oceanview said:

Can I charge my milk float and cook my dinner at the same time?

er...yes you can

http://www.hillsideleisure.co.uk/blog/the-dalbury-...

[kambites]

ash73 said:

EV discussion aside I'm amazed how little value people put on their spare time; slaves to money. I would say no, unless I could spend the 45 mins doing something useful.

The fact I value my spare time is precisely why I would happily do it. If sitting for 45 minutes would hypothetically get me £75 of free petrol, that means that for each tank of fuel, I can work about three hours less, giving me more than two extra hours of free time.

Edited by kambites on Saturday 16th September 19:36

[oceanview]

TSCfree said:

er...yes you can

http://www.hillsideleisure.co.uk/blog/the-dalbury-...

That's .................... lovely- but, not quite what I had in mind!!

P.s - can I put a plastic flower garland on the mirror and be, like, way cool?????????

[TSCfree]

oceanview said:

That's .................... lovely- but, not quite what I had in mind!!

Ahhhh it would be grand chief, 3 cups of tea and bacon butty later....Fully charged and on your merry way!

Ya can't be cool in a brand new van from Japan. It would need to be massively overpriced, really slow and have the potential to leave you nearly stranded in the middle of no-where......Ah

[r129sl]

So far as I can tell, EV charing points are all located in places where you really do not want to linger:

Airports. Service stations. Retail parks. Office parks. Shopping centres. Local authority offices. NHS hospitals. Town centre car parks.

So you have to spend 45 minutes in hell every time you need 150miles of juice.

Make the range 500miles at a 70 to 90mph cruising speed with some hard acceleration, some heavy traffic and such like, and they become viable transport. Not just viable but preferable. And I know a petrol car will not give 500 miles but nor does it take 45 minutes to fill up.

[RobDickinson]

[quote=oceanviewAren't EVs' boring even if they do 0-60 in nothing.nothing?!
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Depends on the EV. A US car mag drove an Alfoa Guila (2.0) to the Model 3 launch and said the model 3 made the guila feel crap in comparison from a driving exp. Not the cooking guila for sure, but not the cooking model 3 either...

[siovey]

If I could leave the car and come back, yes. But for the sake of saving £60 odd quid to wait 45 minutes for petrol, I couldn't be arsed to be honest

Edited by siovey on Saturday 16th September 21:13

[skyrover]

Over 100 quid to fill my tank... of course I would wait.

Would I buy an electric car?

Absolutely not.

[kambites]

ash73 said:

Your job can't be very fulfilling if being paid more to stand around doing literally nothing is an improvement; you can't get that time back. I'd much rather be doing something interesting with my time.

I'd rather be doing my job than sitting at a petrol station; but I'd rather spend 45 minutes at a petrol station and two hours with my family than three hours at work.

Besides, I could work from the petrol station, which makes it the choice between 45 minutes work and 135 minutes at home, or three hours work.

Edited by kambites on Saturday 16th September 21:57

[Wills2]

kambites said:

Wills2 said:

mwstewart said:

kambites said:

Your time is worth more than ~£80 net (so unless you have a clever income tax dodge around £130 gross) per hour? Fair enough I guess but most of us certainly don't earn that much!

It's not just about the money. It's wasted free time that I'd much rather fill with something good. Life's short.

Interesting isn't it that many people always associate "worth" with money these days or should I say it's quite sad and as you say life is short.

In answer to the question though, no I don't want an electric car I might have to have one in the future but I'll wait until I have no other option.

I suppose it depends on your job, but for me I could happily simply work an hour less each week. or three hours, in fact for the saving in fuel costs. 45 minutes waiting for fuel or 3 hours working... I think I'll sit in my car for a bit and spend an extra two and a bit hours with my family.

Edited by kambites on Friday 15th September 22:22

Well be sure to tell us how that new tesla works out for you......

[kambites]

Wills2 said:

Well be sure to tell us how that new tesla works out for you......

If they'd made the model-3 a hatachback, I'd be happy to oblige (in a few years time when they'd depreciated a bit) but the bloody thing is a saloon. I'm still waiting for someone to release a suitable EV, not because of range or charging issues but just because no-one makes one with reasonable performance which is the right shape. >.<

I'd still be keeping the Elise as well, mind.

ETA: As it is, I reckon it's going to be about 5-7 years before we swap to an EV for our family car.

Edited by kambites on Saturday 16th September 22:19

[Toltec]

r129sl said:

And I know a petrol car will not give 500 miles but nor does it take 45 minutes to fill up.

Mine has a 15.4 gallon tank and does 32-33mpg the way I drive normally on a long run and 36mpg if I am gentle on A roads so 500miles is quite possible.

I normally start to think about filling up at 75ish estimated range left though so I can choose what brand I get and what I pay.

Nothing in the OP said anything about sitting twiddling your thumbs for 45mins only that you would have to wait that long for a fill up, pretty easy to fill that time doing some reading or even posting on a few PH threads.

[Munich]

Yes.

Although as a EV driver, 95% of my 'fuel' requirement would come from charging over night while I sleep. No need to ever worry about wasting my time having to actually drive to the petrol station, waiting for a free pump, filling up, paying, etc....

[Munich]

oceanview said:

Can I charge my milk float and cook my dinner at the same time?

Aren't EVs' boring even if they do 0-60 in nothing.nothing?!

Yes, regarding charging and cooking. In the UK a household AC wallbox can provide a maximum of 7kW (using a 32A fuse - the same as your cooker). Will charge a Tesla from empty to full in ca. 13 hours.

[briang9]

Bombjack said:

No I wouldn't, but there are plenty of other reasons I don't want a Tesla too.

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