So, what's your thoughts on this Ebay auction
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Bid on a computer earlier. Got a bit carried away and bid further than i liked, but ultimately was outbid.
A couple of minutes after the auction ends, i get a congratulatory email telling me that i had won after all
Is it me or does this look Shill bid-tastic
So new user with no feedback bids massively on the item, then retracts as the auction ends
As Ebay doesn't retract all their bids, i end up paying £251 for something i should have won for £225
Small world problems i know, and although i don't object to paying £251 for it, i feel like i've been done over !
A couple of minutes after the auction ends, i get a congratulatory email telling me that i had won after all
Is it me or does this look Shill bid-tastic
So new user with no feedback bids massively on the item, then retracts as the auction ends
As Ebay doesn't retract all their bids, i end up paying £251 for something i should have won for £225
Small world problems i know, and although i don't object to paying £251 for it, i feel like i've been done over !
craigjm said:
You must be able to contact eBay about that because with the retraction of the bid you have been bidding against yourself and the sale price should be £225. If that happened in a real auction the bids subsequent to the retraction would also be retracted.
Agreed, but if the seller is dodgy then you might find they mess you around when it comes to sending the item. Depends on how much you want the item vs the potential hassle?Buggles said:
I'd agree with this chap. Whatever the reason for the retracted bid - dodgy ebayer, somebody that bid over their budget and then got b
ked by the missus - your bid was up to £251 which is what you were willing to pay.
That's a result, no?
It's a trust issue now though.ked by the missus - your bid was up to £251 which is what you were willing to pay. That's a result, no?
Someone who is prepared to go to those lengths to rinse me for an additional £26, isn't really the sort of person i'd like to buy from!
Just seems really fishy!
littlebasher said:
It's a trust issue now though.
Someone who is prepared to go to those lengths to rinse me for an additional £26, isn't really the sort of person i'd like to buy from!
Just seems really fishy!
I agree with you, and I also don't understand why all their bids aren't retracted. If I were you I'd contact the seller, say a zero feedback bidder withdrew resulting in you paying a higher price, and that you'll willingly pay 225. See what he comes back with. Don't mention shill bidding suspicions yet.Someone who is prepared to go to those lengths to rinse me for an additional £26, isn't really the sort of person i'd like to buy from!
Just seems really fishy!
Zetec-S said:
craigjm said:
You must be able to contact eBay about that because with the retraction of the bid you have been bidding against yourself and the sale price should be £225. If that happened in a real auction the bids subsequent to the retraction would also be retracted.
Agreed, but if the seller is dodgy then you might find they mess you around when it comes to sending the item. Depends on how much you want the item vs the potential hassle?Buggles said:
anonymous said:
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I'd agree with this chap. Whatever the reason for the retracted bid - dodgy ebayer, somebody that bid over their budget and then got bked by the missus - your bid was up to £251 which is what you were willing to pay. That's a result, no?
hornetrider said:
I agree with you, and I also don't understand why all their bids aren't retracted. If I were you I'd contact the seller, say a zero feedback bidder withdrew resulting in you paying a higher price, and that you'll willingly pay 225. See what he comes back with. Don't mention shill bidding suspicions yet.
I'd do this, although I agree that it would harm my trust in this sale and I'd be debating not paying at all and reporting so as to not get a non-payment strike. I think it looks and smells highly dodgy.I'd love to be an insider at eBay and check the IP address of the listing and retracted bid, most shill bidders are probably too dumb to do it from a different IP address.
craigjm said:
I'm sure the item isn't that rare. I would take it up with eBay. It is similar in essence to an auctioneer taking a bid "off the wall" where you are bidding against nobody / the seller
(As an aside, I understand that is perfectly legal in a standard auction when moving up to the reserve, though, obviously, not passed it. I understand most quit when they get close to conditional sale)The retraction time is very interesting, I assume the timestamp is an inconsistency on eBay's side and it was submitted just before the auction ended, but it's still so close to the end that I can't believe it's not deliberate shilling by the seller and perhaps even performed through some automated software.
Vocal Minority said:
craigjm said:
I'm sure the item isn't that rare. I would take it up with eBay. It is similar in essence to an auctioneer taking a bid "off the wall" where you are bidding against nobody / the seller
(As an aside, I understand that is perfectly legal in a standard auction when moving up to the reserve, though, obviously, not passed it. I understand most quit when they get close to conditional sale)I remember this bloke got done for it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10510086
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