RE: New TVR Griffith on the move
Discussion
PhantomPH said:
I thought he said, "I can confirm the traction control is on". My comment wasn't a negative - reminds me of Cerberas snaking down the road in the slightest of showers. I used to live on the route to a TVR dealer and regularly saw low loaders with scrunched TVRs on the back. You knew exactly what happened just before they got the facelift, too...the owner wanted to hear his engine so gave it a little tickle... 
he said he can conform that TC NEEDS to be on - ie it wasn't at the time. hence oh s
t, had a slight moment, would have been embarrassing to stuff only prototype. Ares said:
braddo said:
Marwood79 said:
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If I may, I'd suggest it's not nearly aggressive enough 'in the face'... car seems to be saying "Hello chaps how are you!?"... whereas TVR faces of old were more like "I'm going to go and f****** nut that wall".
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Sorry but that's nonsense. It was only 2 or 3 cars over a short period (say 2000-2006) which were so aggressively styled. i don't think any other TVRs over the 60-70 years have an aggressive face.If I may, I'd suggest it's not nearly aggressive enough 'in the face'... car seems to be saying "Hello chaps how are you!?"... whereas TVR faces of old were more like "I'm going to go and f****** nut that wall".
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The drive however, that was the aggression
bronthinswede said:
YET AGAIN another disappointing effort from this new outfit claiming to be the reincarnation of TVR.
A drive in a car park is sadly not a test drive.
COME ON GUYS you can do better than this.
Have you not learnt the lesson of the old TVR company that it pays to show your car off.
How about a full tour of the car and a proper road going promotion.
If you need help in this regard check out www.porsche.co.uk , your chief rival or www.astonmartin.co.uk, maybe they can help.
GOOD LUCK
A drive in a car park is sadly not a test drive.
COME ON GUYS you can do better than this.
Have you not learnt the lesson of the old TVR company that it pays to show your car off.
How about a full tour of the car and a proper road going promotion.
If you need help in this regard check out www.porsche.co.uk , your chief rival or www.astonmartin.co.uk, maybe they can help.
GOOD LUCK
they just had a quick spin, on the way home form the public launch, all the rest, test drives, etc, tc, will obviously follow. I feel Autocar/Evo/etc journalists are absolutely gagging for it.
tour the country? Why when anyone can see Les nearly stuffing it sideways in GMD car park (TC was off) and there shear joy of it
SHmee loves it.. (young rich, supercar enthusiast generation)
https://www.youtube.com/user/Shmee150
that is how promotion is done these days, word of mouth sheer enthusiasm.
in the old TVR days Peter wheeler had final say, if he liked it, he'd build it and if his vision matched others people would by it.
TVR need only find 500 customers initially, building up to a couple of thousand cars a year.
and I now heard that there is a reserve list, for the 500 LE cars
Road and Track, and that 1 minute ride in the car park, seems to have got the journo's excited..
It has the potential to run rings around cars like Jag F-type (all versions) on a track.. as the jags are all a minimum of 500 KGs heavier.
0-100-0 mph figures could be awesome. (approaching touching McLaren F1 territory?? probably not quite, but brakes are better now. and remind me again, who designed the F1)
Edited by BJWoods on Friday 22 September 11:15
Edited by BJWoods on Friday 22 September 11:28
bronthinswede said:
YET AGAIN another disappointing effort from this new outfit claiming to be the reincarnation of TVR.
A drive in a car park is sadly not a test drive.
COME ON GUYS you can do better than this.
Have you not learnt the lesson of the old TVR company that it pays to show your car off.
How about a full tour of the car and a proper road going promotion.
If you need help in this regard check out www.porsche.co.uk , your chief rival or www.astonmartin.co.uk, maybe they can help.
GOOD LUCK
2/10A drive in a car park is sadly not a test drive.
COME ON GUYS you can do better than this.
Have you not learnt the lesson of the old TVR company that it pays to show your car off.
How about a full tour of the car and a proper road going promotion.
If you need help in this regard check out www.porsche.co.uk , your chief rival or www.astonmartin.co.uk, maybe they can help.
GOOD LUCK
Do you mean do the slower and more expensive Porsche's with the detonating engines
And what Aston is this competing against exactly in its price range? I am not sure if you have seen the news but this is TVR, it appears that the first 500 have deposits (is this confirmed?) and everyone that I have spoken to is very excited about the chassis and the performance. You do understand this car is not yet in production?Thom said:
Jhonno said:
Because Porsches are all that when it comes to looks and image..
Sure, especially 30 year old ones. They look so bad you'd wonder why people buy them... and the reason why other brands should not try to make the same cars.Edited by Thom on Wednesday 20th September 13:18
Newer ones are dull.. Accomplished but soulless. Plenty of reasons why other manufacturers don't need not want to copy them.
BJWoods said:
PhantomPH said:
I thought he said, "I can confirm the traction control is on". My comment wasn't a negative - reminds me of Cerberas snaking down the road in the slightest of showers. I used to live on the route to a TVR dealer and regularly saw low loaders with scrunched TVRs on the back. You knew exactly what happened just before they got the facelift, too...the owner wanted to hear his engine so gave it a little tickle...
he said he can conform that TC NEEDS to be on - ie it wasn't at the time. hence oh s
t, had a slight moment, would have been embarrassing to stuff only prototype. 
Ha ha.In fairness, lots and lots of cars are handfuls as soon as you turn the systems off. That's not a uniquely TVR trait by any stretch. Nice that it does have some guts, tho for sure.
Edited by PhantomPH on Friday 22 September 14:59
BJWoods said:
that is how promotion is done these days, word of mouth sheer enthusiasm.
If unreasoned enthusiasm snowballed through hearsay and vacuous YT videos is all that you need to part with £90k for a car, without even having done a comprehensive test drive and after having read/watched in-depth reviews from established journalists, then your £ is certainly not worth as much as it could be.
I guess if we all liked the same thing, life would be very dull...
Some of us buy Tuscan, Tamora, Chim....not really the ones I ever liked, so never bought one. But apprecaite what they are about, without bashing the forums.
For example, apparently this is "amazing", maybe it's the horse on the front.... To me it looks very dull. I like the F12, 599, maybe a blue 458, although the later variety all seem to look the same. Seems to be the way it is these days.
ferrari_portofino_-_front_qaurter by Aaron Moyce, on Flickr
Some of us buy Tuscan, Tamora, Chim....not really the ones I ever liked, so never bought one. But apprecaite what they are about, without bashing the forums.
For example, apparently this is "amazing", maybe it's the horse on the front.... To me it looks very dull. I like the F12, 599, maybe a blue 458, although the later variety all seem to look the same. Seems to be the way it is these days.
ferrari_portofino_-_front_qaurter by Aaron Moyce, on FlickrOk so if your going to use the Fezza as the base example;
1. The air intake has a few slats, it breaks the massive opening mouth that alot of people think makes it look fish like and not 'aggressive'
2. The lights are more aggressive and go up the body line as opposed to being rounded and going down, i can see the lines in the lights and why etc. but it just gives it a more softer appearance
3. The paint colour on the fezza is better
4. The lip spoilers are relatively the same except the fezza looks more aggressive due to its noticeable 'cheek' air intakes, the TVR's are hidden under the light.
5. The TVR badge is proud, the Fezza's recessed
6. The side vents blend into the body/follow the body contours, on the TVR, they just finish at a vertical yet if they curved the top of the vent, it would blend into the body contours and be a 'better' design (in my eyes and more flowy)
1. The air intake has a few slats, it breaks the massive opening mouth that alot of people think makes it look fish like and not 'aggressive'
2. The lights are more aggressive and go up the body line as opposed to being rounded and going down, i can see the lines in the lights and why etc. but it just gives it a more softer appearance
3. The paint colour on the fezza is better
4. The lip spoilers are relatively the same except the fezza looks more aggressive due to its noticeable 'cheek' air intakes, the TVR's are hidden under the light.
5. The TVR badge is proud, the Fezza's recessed
6. The side vents blend into the body/follow the body contours, on the TVR, they just finish at a vertical yet if they curved the top of the vent, it would blend into the body contours and be a 'better' design (in my eyes and more flowy)
yonex said:
The Ferrari in the flesh is very slab sided, huge and uninspiring. Spent the weekend next to one. It'll get a pass because of the badge!
It's also £65,000 more expensive (with no options)...I feel this is a little unfair comparing two utterly different makes, the new Griff' will never be a Ferrari, and vice-a-versa, two really quite different cars.
It's a bit like comparing an MX5 to an F-Type (similar gulf in price there too I should add).
Ultimately I'm far more interested in how it drives. Looks good enough to my eyes, I'm hoping for something as fun as my Tuscan but a little more refined and with some properly sorted handling.
Looking forward to some road tests and reviews!
The two folks in the car video look very self-pleased...
But there's obviously still a huge amount of work to do.
The exterior design is massively out of proportion and looks like a cheap kit car.
The engine / exhaust lacks a wow noise at low speed.
The interior looks extremely cheap.
And the tinny door-slam at ~21secs sounds like a 1980s Lada.
But there's obviously still a huge amount of work to do.
The exterior design is massively out of proportion and looks like a cheap kit car.
The engine / exhaust lacks a wow noise at low speed.
The interior looks extremely cheap.
And the tinny door-slam at ~21secs sounds like a 1980s Lada.
ILoveMondeo said:
yonex said:
The Ferrari in the flesh is very slab sided, huge and uninspiring. Spent the weekend next to one. It'll get a pass because of the badge!
It's also £65,000 more expensive (with no options)...I feel this is a little unfair comparing two utterly different makes, the new Griff' will never be a Ferrari, and vice-a-versa, two really quite different cars.
It's a bit like comparing an MX5 to an F-Type (similar gulf in price there too I should add).
Ultimately I'm far more interested in how it drives. Looks good enough to my eyes, I'm hoping for something as fun as my Tuscan but a little more refined and with some properly sorted handling.
Looking forward to some road tests and reviews!
What I will say though, the new Griffith has generated more posts on a new car (positive and negative!) than I have seen for a long while
Oddly enough, its ugly looks make me want to will the poor thing on.
Bittersweet face, vibes up the place like few other cars could,
Very much maligned and misunderstood. Mysterious, mischievous and devious.
Well well, guess which notorious bloke was born to drive this car?
Theres an ad campaign in that!
Bittersweet face, vibes up the place like few other cars could,
Very much maligned and misunderstood. Mysterious, mischievous and devious.
Well well, guess which notorious bloke was born to drive this car?
Theres an ad campaign in that!
yonex said:
2/10
I am not sure if you have seen the news but this is TVR, it appears that the first 500 have deposits (is this confirmed?) and everyone that I have spoken to is very excited about the chassis and the performance. You do understand this car is not yet in production?
Yes confirmed, they actually have more than 500 deposits. They took 450 deposits and closed the order book in June, with the intention of holding back 50 build slots for the launch at Goodwood Revival. I got there friday early afternoon, and all those 50 slots had already gone first thing that day (thankfully I had already put mine down in June!). Apparently they had so much interest at Goodwood, that they did two things - they started a waiting list for the launch edition, as they expect a proportion of the "500" to drop out for differing reasons (one can expect a 10% dropout rate). They also opened up the order book for the standard car that will follow the Launch Edition - which is what you get if you put a deposit down now on the website. I am not sure if you have seen the news but this is TVR, it appears that the first 500 have deposits (is this confirmed?) and everyone that I have spoken to is very excited about the chassis and the performance. You do understand this car is not yet in production?
Yipper said:
The two folks in the car video look very self-pleased...
But there's obviously still a huge amount of work to do.
The exterior design is massively out of proportion and looks like a cheap kit car.
The engine / exhaust lacks a wow noise at low speed.
The interior looks extremely cheap.
And the tinny door-slam at ~21secs sounds like a 1980s Lada.
Doesn't look at all kit car in the flesh.But there's obviously still a huge amount of work to do.
The exterior design is massively out of proportion and looks like a cheap kit car.
The engine / exhaust lacks a wow noise at low speed.
The interior looks extremely cheap.
And the tinny door-slam at ~21secs sounds like a 1980s Lada.
Engine noise is probably going to be great - I that video has poor sound, and it's hard to ruin a 5.0 V8 for sound...
The interior was lovely in the flesh again. I thought it was unique and stylish personally, when I looked inside (I did all but sit in it). A couple of components are obviously parts bin, but for me it didn't ruin anything.
Door slam - again bad sound quality, but then... really... it's a frickin' door slam. Who cares. I personally didn't notice anything unusual or cheap sounding in real life when I saw the car, the doors were opened and closed a few times.
jhonn said:
^^^ I think that looks pretty good actually - I'd like to see it with a number plate fitted, that's going to have a big effect, not so good then I'd wager.
I mentioned it somewhere, when talking to a TVR engineer at their stand, it was confirmed that the bumper had not yet been signed off, largely because they still need to fit a number plate and Mr Murray is being a stickler for mainitining the size of opening for air flow. Therefore there is some chance there will be some edit to that front end. At the time, I mentioned I wanted it to be slightly more aggressive with "teeth", and suggested a bigger bonnet bulge and something to make that grill a bit more interesting. The response was that there maybe a bulge considered, as the engine can be supercharged in the future, and they are yet to sign off on that bumper, so are obviously still agreeing the number plate/grill. Obviously, that was just a conversation, and for certain he would have been trying to keep me excited and keen (rather than pull out my deposit), but I loved how they took the feedback, and honestly though I don't expect there to be any very noticeable change - all I am saying is, it is possible there will be some minor edit (though I'm certain there won't be any changed to the lights, or anything as major as that!).
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