RE: New TVR Griffith on the move

[Scottie - NW]

Why is there so much negativity towards the new TVR on here?

I can't afford it and it may not be to all tastes, but I think it's great they are trying to do this, and a big well done to them for doing so. Having another choice is a good thing.

[jhonn]

KTF said:

Its not road legal yet.

I had a look at the clip and while it was enough to give a better perspective of what the car looks like in daylight and it's overall proportions, it fell well short of what the team could have done to show how the car sounds and performs.

OK - it could be said that it was just a 'taster' or a tease', but they could have and should have explored other options to show it off - take it to a track or even an airfield; no need to rag it stupid, just some more dynamic footage of it moving under it's own power.

When I think of what the major sportscar manufacturers would have done to show off their product in a dynamic situation then this video release by TVR seems amateurish.

BTW - I now think the car looks pretty good (externally anyway) - but they could be doing more in how they're presenting it and increasing it's desirability.

[anonymous-user]

cvega said:

ahh that refined door closing sound..not. Sounds like a plastic bucket.

You mean like an F40?

It's a wonder any performance cars are ever made when the priorities are so confused Why is it that so much of the negative comments are coming from Porsche owners, it's all very odd.

[anonymous-user]

Scottie - NW said:

Why is there so much negativity towards the new TVR on here?

I can't afford it and it may not be to all tastes, but I think it's great they are trying to do this, and a big well done to them for doing so. Having another choice is a good thing.

Well, it's British, so naturally everyone is instantly going to dislike it! We have become so used to the big brands and all the marketing and BS surrounding what is important in a car that, IMO, we have lost sight of what it all means. Every time a new Lotus 'edition' is launched the same negativity, it's as predictable as the sunset. Meanwhile 'we' buy corporate durge by the boatload, soft touch plastics, nicely weighted cup holders. Then a car comes along which promises big numbers, it gets mocked. Mocked by people who, in the main, will have zero intention of ever owning it, or any of the competition. Let's not forget that this is the same forum where I have seen Mclaren labelled as 'boring', this is the mentality we are dealing with.

And then there are those who just want to have a bit of dig at TVR. As if the current venture has anything to do with it! Of course 'every' TVR is about to explode and they are all awful old things that nobody ever purchased in the first place.

I really hope it does well and wish them all very the best.

[scotty1]

yonex said:

cvega said:

ahh that refined door closing sound..not. Sounds like a plastic bucket.

You mean like an F40?

It's a wonder any performance cars are ever made when the priorities are so confused Why is it that so much of the negative comments are coming from Porsche owners, it's all very odd.

And the 150k Ferrari California

[julian64]

blade7 said:

How much longer will they be milking the old TVR teat before this car tries to back up the claims on a road/track?

Why is that even important?

Its already got every Porsche on the planet beaten because it looks fun to drive.

In this day and age of driver assist, turbocharger, stability this with flappy paddles that. Its pretty bloody obvious that manufacturers see the driver as the weak point and do everything they can to help.

This car will never compete with the average hypercar, but does it really need to. Are you really saying that 500bhp in a 1250kg car is not going to be engaging enough for you ?

[Gemster041]

Looks a bit mini F12ish from the side....

[Jhonno]

yonex said:

cvega said:

ahh that refined door closing sound..not. Sounds like a plastic bucket.

You mean like an F40?

It's a wonder any performance cars are ever made when the priorities are so confused Why is it that so much of the negative comments are coming from Porsche owners, it's all very odd.

Exactly..

[Jhonno]

julian64 said:

blade7 said:

How much longer will they be milking the old TVR teat before this car tries to back up the claims on a road/track?

Why is that even important?

Its already got every Porsche on the planet beaten because it looks fun to drive.

In this day and age of driver assist, turbocharger, stability this with flappy paddles that. Its pretty bloody obvious that manufacturers see the driver as the weak point and do everything they can to help.

This car will never compete with the average hypercar, but does it really need to. Are you really saying that 500bhp in a 1250kg car is not going to be engaging enough for you ?

Absolutely! I think most of the negativity is coming from those who just don't seem to get what it is about..

[Thom]

yonex said:

Why is it that so much of the negative comments are coming from Porsche owners, it's all very odd.

They have probably got so bored with the dark side of the force that they wished TVR had made a car worth a plunge - regardless how well it drives, I would not want to be seen dead in such a ghastly-looking car.

I have been so underwhelmed with this car since its unveiling that I have been looking at the Corvette C6 ZR1, which is IMO all what a "modern" TVR should be.

Edited by Thom on Wednesday 20th September 11:55

[triathlonstu]

Thom said:

They have probably got so bored with the dark side of the force that they wished TVR had made a car worth a plunge - regardless how well it drives, I would not want to be seen dead in such a ghastly-looking car.

I have been so underwhelmed with this car since its unveiling that I have been looking at the Corvette C6 ZR1, which is IMO all what a "modern" TVR should be.

Edited by Thom on Wednesday 20th September 11:55

Just to be clear, do you like the way it looks or not? Maybe make another handful of posts to really hammer the point home?

I think in a different colour it will look great. But I'm not even close to being able to afford one, hats off to those who did and supported a British company trying to do something interesting.

[anonymous-user]

Thom said:

They have probably got so bored with the dark side of the force that they wished TVR had made a car worth a plunge - regardless how well it drives, I would not want to be seen dead in such a ghastly-looking car.

I have been so underwhelmed with this car since its unveiling that I have been looking at the Corvette C6 ZR1, which is IMO all what a "modern" TVR should be.

Then you'd have said 'It's just a Vette clone, might as well buy that'. As for 'ghastly' I think that's a stretch, but each to their own.

So, just buy a C6 and put a TVR badge on it?

[Jazz Machine]

To those that have said "what a rubbish video/what poor journalism/what bad marketing by tvr" or to that effect, I'm sorry but that's vague ignorance. This is a pre-production prototype - production is only due to start in a years time! It's not yet road legal, nor is it even actually the final car, as I know for certain (having spoken to their engineers at Goodwood) that they will make some amendments.

To compare this to a large manufacturers marketing video is a bit silly. For starters, at this stage most manufacturers wouldn't have shown the car in the flesh until it's fully completed - we might at best be getting some pictures of a nonsense camouflaged car driving about still. Credit to TVR that they are showing us at least some real tidbits along the way to production - and appear to be honest enough with depositors to do that.

And what is this video really showing - it shows the prototype is a working car - and it shows how excited the developers are - and what a breath of fresh air that is rather than a corporate suit announcing their clinically dull next model of the same old wagon, with a largely computer generated commercial of the new machine driving about looking especially amazing (e.g. as was the case for the Cayman GT4 launch video - though it made me badly want one for a while!).

Like it or not is of course up to personal taste, but really its not a bad looking car at all, even if not totally perfect at every angle. In the flesh it's better, and even then it took me a little while to get used to - but it's certainly a grower in that regard. To those that "totally hate it", well that's just extremity of opinion posted because they want to stick out on the forum. Or they're just a little jealous. Or Probably a bit of both, and feel this threatens the car they hold in high esteem.

[Thom]

triathlonstu said:

hats off to those who did and supported a British company trying to do something interesting.

People who don't like it can be criticised for repeating themselves, but how about others who keep going on how a British company is trying to do "something interesting", which is another way of saying they actually don't really like the car either but are too embarrassed to admit it out loud.

[Thom]

yonex said:

Then you'd have said 'It's just a Vette clone, might as well buy that'.

I sure would have said that, as if a TVR should not look as bad as this new Griffith, it also should not look like any other car.

[triathlonstu]

Thom said:

People who don't like it can be criticised for repeating themselves, but how about others who keep going on how a British company is trying to do "something interesting", which is another way of saying they actually don't really like the car either but are too embarrassed to admit it out loud.

You only need to critiscise something once. We get it, it's not for you, but repeating yourself so often makes you look like a bit of a clown. Your prerogative.

To me, dragging a brand from the depths and breathing new life into it is a great thing and who doesn't love an underdog. And for a first stab, I think they've done really well. I like it. Like I said, I can't afford one, but I can guarantee when the day comes that I see one driving down the street it will bring a smile to my face.

Why would anyone, other than those who have put a deposit down, be embarrassed to admit they don't like something?

It's not perfect, but TVRs never were.

[Thom]

triathlonstu said:

You only need to critiscise something once. We get it, it's not for you, but repeating yourself so often makes you look like a bit of a clown.

Well, since you are getting personal, I do not feel any more clown-esque than people who continually support the new car feel any clown-esque to me. It just goes to show what people might (or rather very unfortunately might not) expect of a TVR by today's standards.

[Jhonno]

Thom said:

yonex said:

Why is it that so much of the negative comments are coming from Porsche owners, it's all very odd.

They have probably got so bored with the dark side of the force that they wished TVR had made a car worth a plunge - regardless how well it drives, I would not want to be seen dead in such a ghastly-looking car.

I have been so underwhelmed with this car since its unveiling that I have been looking at the Corvette C6 ZR1, which is IMO all what a "modern" TVR should be.

Edited by Thom on Wednesday 20th September 11:55

Because Porsches are all that when it comes to looks and image..

[PhantomPH]

Jazz Machine said:

This is a pre-production prototype - production is only due to start in a years time!

And there lies some of the issue tho, mate - I am not sure that has been made clear enough. A grand unveiling/launch in this instance feels like a "here is the new TVR, all ready to go". Other manufacturers don't unveil a car that is still in prototype stage - they are normally papped at The Ring in black paint. Here I was made to feel like I was looking at the production offering of a new TVR. And if I'm not, then that point should have been much harder driven home.

TVR have not helped themselves.

All being said, I think the looks have been the most divisive thing and I cannot imagine they are going to change. So prototype or not, each person's taste is individual, so negativity will remain.

I love a British success story - I love ANY success story - but I would not drop £90k on a car that I did not like the look of, just because it's a TVR...and I suspect that's the reality for 99.9% of people, too.

[Thom]

Jhonno said:

Because Porsches are all that when it comes to looks and image..

Sure, especially 30 year old ones. They look so bad you'd wonder why people buy them... and the reason why other brands should not try to make the same cars.

Edited by Thom on Wednesday 20th September 13:18