RE: Nissan GT-R MY17 v. Porsche 911 Carrera GTS

[Kawasicki]

Audemars said:

Both ugly cars. GTR is classless and the Porsche is FUGLY as usual.

Feel sorry for the folk that aspire to own these cars.

I'm one of those folk, but you don't need to be sorry for me. I'm class free and happy. I'd also love to thrash the crap out of either of these on a regular basis.

[Yipper]

For £100k, the GTS is too slow. It gets beaten by a £30k Golf R with a £500 remap.

For £90k, the GT-R looks very dated on the outside and inside. Looks very old now.

[diehardbenzfan]

Yipper said:

For £100k, the GTS is too slow. It gets beaten by a £30k Golf R with a £500 remap.

Since when did...........how can...............does it matt..........


Never mind

[greygoose]

Yipper said:

For £100k, the GTS is too slow. It gets beaten by a £30k Golf R with a £500 remap.

For £90k, the GT-R looks very dated on the outside and inside. Looks very old now.

I am not sure the dated looks argument works against a 911 which has slowly evolved over 50 odd years.

[Kawasicki]

Yipper said:

For £100k, the GTS is too slow. It gets beaten by a £30k Golf R with a £500 remap.

For £90k, the GT-R looks very dated on the outside and inside. Looks very old now.

This Chevelle will easily beat a remapped Golf R...


1968 Chevy Chevelle
SM1968


509ci BBC Merlin Block


Twin Dominators


Brodex BB4 Heads


external oil/Vacuum pump


Glide with Ultrabell and Neal Chance bolt together converter


40 spline 9inch axle


Chris Isaac's 7.50 tube chassis, updated in 2011


has run 8.2 @ 165mph with small tune under supermod rules (600 lift cam with small NOS solenoids)


weight is 2900 lbs including driver


is capable of running in the 7's.


comes complete with spares, Tools Gazebo's.


choice of 2 style hoods and the original steel doors.


the car is street registered and can be put back on the street


phone for more details £28,500


Location Buntingford, Hertfordshire (within an hour of Santapod)

[W124]

Kawasicki said:

hondansx said:

Kawasicki said:

The Nissan GT-R is a hoot to drive on back roads, it's fun in the bends - quick, playful and darty. It also tramlines all over the shop which is very involving. It just goes to show you that focused development at the Nurburgring really brings benefits.

Not sure if that is sarcasm...

Many people moan that modern cars are bland. The GT-R is not bland, it is focused/single minded. I burst out laughing a few times driving one.

Well done Nissan.

Absolutely. I've delivered/picked up/moved about all sorts of cars over the last few years. I've been doing it for a job. Awful job because now they are all the same to me really.

But the GT-R actually made me giggle a bit. It's insane. It cuts through and actually makes you feel alive, awake. I've driven a few. Absolutely love them.

People who have not driven them just don't realise how bloody fast they are. It's not the numbers - it's more than that. It's the insanity of the internal combustion engine writ large.

Also, they are right hand drive from birth. You sit dead straight - all the controls are originally configured for a person driving on the right side of the car. This makes them very comfortable over long distances unlike, say, an RS6 with its stupid offset pedals.

Marvellous lunacy. No chance I'd even consider a 911 if I could get a GT-R.

As for a chipped Golf R being faster than the 911. I can tell you, with some certainty, that's just cobblers.

[Julian Thompson]

I had a 991.1 gts and hated it - sold within 3 weeks for exactly the reasons here. Dead in my hands, zero involvement, wonky pdk software that changes up at the redline and down if you accidentally press the throttle too hard (even in full manual mode)

That car was replaced by a GT3 which (when the engine works) is a million times more engaging and is alive, lithe, intoxicating - and has proper pdk softwares

I had to also add an m4 comp manual because the GT3 can't be used everyday really and blimey - that car is a better "GTS" than the gts ever was - and having read this I'm sure the new .2 GTS really will be something!

Can't comment on the Nissan because I've never "got it" - less power than a muscle car. Slower round a track than a radical or decent 7 (in the dry!), looks subjective but to me it looks pretty uninspiring and the interior sucks. And it's £90k! But it's each to his own so that's cool with me it would be boring if we all liked the same stuff!

PS to the guy who suggested pity was appropriate for those of us who aspire to 911's can I suggest that you reread your text - you clearly have no idea how much of a pompous and arrogant twit that makes you sound. Sorry to be direct but come on - it's just a car - lighten up a bit!

Edited by Julian Thompson on Wednesday 20th September 20:11

[Tickle]

Yipper said:

For £100k, the GTS is too slow. It gets beaten by a £30k Golf R with a £500 remap.

Round which circuit and by how many seconds?

[FN2TypeR]

Tickle said:

Yipper said:

For £100k, the GTS is too slow. It gets beaten by a £30k Golf R with a £500 remap.

Round which circuit and by how many seconds?

I'm pretty sure that he was joking

[nsx60]

Great review , as an owner of an early GTR and a much earlier NSX its obvious where my loyalties are going to lie . Never been fussed about 911 as the looks just don't do it for me , no matter what the model . From a drive point view the GTR just makes me laugh out loud every time I drive it , but you do get an awful lot of thumbs up from teenagers ......

[Mr-B]

How do Nissan do that? 100 bhp less and 400 kilos more than a Mc 675LT and the same 0-62 time!! Must be witchcraft.

[W124]

FN2TypeR said:

Tickle said:

Yipper said:

For £100k, the GTS is too slow. It gets beaten by a £30k Golf R with a £500 remap.

Round which circuit and by how many seconds?

I'm pretty sure that he was joking

Yes I think he was. I fell for that like the div I am.

[cramorra]

nickfrog said:

guards red said:

Audemars said:

Both ugly cars. GTR is classless and the Porsche is FUGLY as usual.

Feel sorry for the folk that aspire to own these cars.

What do you aspire to?

Nothing. He has a fleet of supercars.

No cars on his profile- a sensible beginners car perhaps a saxo???

[Flashman65]

I have been very lucky in my time on this planet as I have had the opportunity to drive and own most performance cars. I'm sorry if this offends 911 owners but I always felt a little bit silly in my 997 c4s as I felt a bit like a show off or was trying too hard to make an impression. It looked very nice sat on the drive as it had a full factory fitted aero kit but everytime I started it I was in fear of the dreaded engine issues which plagued these engines. In the end I sold it as the fear took over and the show off image I felt got the better of me. I currently own a GTR and I have no fears when starting it up and do not feel like I am trying to prove anything regarding my manhood when I drive it. Everyone who nods in appreciation knows what it stands for and gives it big respect. It is what it is a fantastic mile eater with massive involvement. I have driven few cars so committed to their cause and this is one of the best. It is not trying to be anything other than a drivers car where the Porsche also has to live up to it's aspirational status which for me made me feel like a show off.

[diehardbenzfan]

Julian Thompson said:

I had a 991.1 gts and hated it - sold within 3 weeks for exactly the reasons here. Dead in my hands, zero involvement, wonky pdk software that changes up at the redline and down if you accidentally press the throttle too hard (even in full manual mode)

A customer at work told me the same thing, said he took his 991 GTS on a track day and said the pdk changes up a gear when he hits the redline, he ended up selling it back to Porsche because it wasn't 'engaging' enough. My auto diesel bmw doesn't change when you hit the limiter. if I had a high revving flat 6, I'd like to hear it bounce on the limiter a few times before changing gear! How could they get that wrong

Edited by Julian Thompson on Wednesday 20th September 20:11

[Jd27]

MaxA said:

I'm not sure that I see the 911 as a jump-in-and-go car: my 997 needs a minute or so of idling at 1200rpm to get to temperature, and it clonks the gearbox if the oil's cold ... but I would be put off a GTR if it actually needed 15 minutes to warm up. That just wouldn't work where I live.

I bought a 911.2 GTS manual, had it since June. It really is a get in a go car no issues with warming gearbox (my previous was 997.1 GT3) but still feels analogue though. The engine still sounds like a flat six. I'm in a lucky position to be able to get it but there really isn't any other 2+2 seater manual out there other than a M4 which just isn't for me.

Yes a GTR is quicker in a straight line, but the difference in price will easily be made up for in residual value over the next 2-3 years.

[nickfrog]

FN2TypeR said:

Tickle said:

Yipper said:

For £100k, the GTS is too slow. It gets beaten by a £30k Golf R with a £500 remap.

Round which circuit and by how many seconds?

I'm pretty sure that he was joking

I don't think he was.

Yipper and Audemars in the same thread ! Yes. We're getting closer to the Holy Trinity !

[Tickle]

nickfrog said:

FN2TypeR said:

Tickle said:

Yipper said:

For £100k, the GTS is too slow. It gets beaten by a £30k Golf R with a £500 remap.

Round which circuit and by how many seconds?

I'm pretty sure that he was joking

I don't think he was.

Yipper and Audemars in the same thread ! Yes. We're getting closer to the Holy Trinity !

I think Yipper was serious, whoosh parrot for me if not.

[rtz62]

Amid all this hysteria, where are the Polo GTi comments? lol !

As for the GTR, didn't the designer suggest that the weight wasn't trimmed down because the extra kgs helped make it 'planted' on the road....the same 'planted' that other manufacturers have to chase using aero.
Perhaps some might consider it a blunt tool that is at its best crushing the road into submission, but we should celebrate such a beast, because if the yoghurt-weaving environmentalists in the EU have their way, it may be the last of its kind.

[culpz]

ZX10R NIN said:

The Porsche is only 14.5cm shorter & 1.5cm narrower than the GTR.

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Wednesday 20th September 18:16

Hmmm... It still looks so much more nimble and less bulky to me though.