RE: Nissan GT-R MY17 v. Porsche 911 Carrera GTS
Discussion
So I get that that GTR is quite a bit cheaper than the 911, but if you look at the cost of ownership, I'll bet it all evens out.... I say that having actually made some money on the sale of my 991.1 GTS. Bet that doesn't happen with a GTR....
I took a few test drives in a MY16 GTR before deciding that a GTS was what I wanted. For me, the GTR was just too hard to live with day to day and at £80ish k (in 2016) it just wasn't the complete package, (which in all fairness is very subjective).
Interesting that some had issues with the kick down button on the 991.1 PDK, I don't think it happens in manual mode? I only ever drove mine in manual, made it a very fun car to drive, really engaging. I really didn't want to sell it.........
I took a few test drives in a MY16 GTR before deciding that a GTS was what I wanted. For me, the GTR was just too hard to live with day to day and at £80ish k (in 2016) it just wasn't the complete package, (which in all fairness is very subjective).
Interesting that some had issues with the kick down button on the 991.1 PDK, I don't think it happens in manual mode? I only ever drove mine in manual, made it a very fun car to drive, really engaging. I really didn't want to sell it.........
Edited by findtomdotcom on Thursday 21st September 20:11
findtomdotcom said:
So I get that that GTR is quite a bit cheaper than the 911, but if you look at the cost of ownership, I'll bet it all evens out.... I say that having actually made some money on the sale of my 991.1 GTS. Bet that doesn't happen with a GTR....
I took a few test drives in a MY16 GTR before deciding that a GTS was what I wanted. For me, the GTR was just too hard to live with day to day and at £80ish k (in 2016) it just wasn't the complete package, (which in all fairness is very subjective).
Interesting that some had issues with the kick down button on the 991.1 PDK, I don't think it happens in manual mode? I only ever drove mine in manual, made it a very fun car to drive, really engaging. I really didn't want to sell it.........
Mine was always going to be on PCP, so taking that as a good metric for running costs inc depreciation then the GTR comes out almost exactly the same per month as a poverty spec 911 C2.I took a few test drives in a MY16 GTR before deciding that a GTS was what I wanted. For me, the GTR was just too hard to live with day to day and at £80ish k (in 2016) it just wasn't the complete package, (which in all fairness is very subjective).
Interesting that some had issues with the kick down button on the 991.1 PDK, I don't think it happens in manual mode? I only ever drove mine in manual, made it a very fun car to drive, really engaging. I really didn't want to sell it.........
Edited by findtomdotcom on Thursday 21st September 20:11
Nissan give a much better deal though, if porsche were able to match 2.9% then there would be a closer match with the C2S.
From a purely financial aspect, I'd definitely do better than 2.9% return pa on 90k, and certainly hope to do better than 5.9%, so there's no reason to buy either outright. I suspect I'll do slightly better with the return on the deposit with the gtr, looking at used values, but it's 50/50. I don't recall exactly now, but I think the 911 gts on a similar deposit ended up being about 30% more per month, which wasn't realistically going to be recovered at end of term.
End of the day, there's not really much in it either way.
...well mine was a late 2014 991.1 gts 2wd and that definitely, definitely, definitely did the kick down in manual thing, and the change up if you get close to the limiter thing.
I managed to find a German firm who had the ability to programme that out of it but just as I was thinking about it I was also beginning to realise that the car was one dimensional in its approach to fast driving - flat, fast and numb. More research led me to learn that in fact the gts uses the same liquorice rubber bushings and mr whippy top mounts as the basic 911 - it's actually a carerra two with a tiny bit more go and some more plastic bits for a lot more cash. In fact it's not really "gt" anything compared to the "gt3" which is just totally different, I learned...
Interesting, even at low speed, the GT3 chatters back to you through the wheel and is just eons better.
If I was going to own another 991.1 from the ordinary range it would be a manual c2s.
I managed to find a German firm who had the ability to programme that out of it but just as I was thinking about it I was also beginning to realise that the car was one dimensional in its approach to fast driving - flat, fast and numb. More research led me to learn that in fact the gts uses the same liquorice rubber bushings and mr whippy top mounts as the basic 911 - it's actually a carerra two with a tiny bit more go and some more plastic bits for a lot more cash. In fact it's not really "gt" anything compared to the "gt3" which is just totally different, I learned...
Interesting, even at low speed, the GT3 chatters back to you through the wheel and is just eons better.
If I was going to own another 991.1 from the ordinary range it would be a manual c2s.
Some people won't get GTR ownership or aspiration, words like chavy or unsophisticated will be used and that's fine we shouldn't get hung up on it, cars like the GTR will divide opinion. It is fair to say that gembella and such like do some truely tasteless Porsches to, so sitting high and mighty in snob corner is a little silly. Personally I get ownership of both, the GTR is just an insane rocket brilliantly engineered (they also look astounding in downtown Tokyo, sorry I'm Gran Turismo generation) and the Porsche has the heritage and the classic design, though there are far too many on the road now to make it truly special. If I were in a position to spend that money I would be spending on something else, something different, with a V8 (obviously 
) like a new TVR or perhaps a Mercedes GT if you are the sort of person who needs "soft touch plastics" in your life. But that is my opinion, I'm not going to confuse it with fact, other people will love both of these and we should be glad manufacturers make cars like these, as the future milk float sports card are coming 
) like a new TVR or perhaps a Mercedes GT if you are the sort of person who needs "soft touch plastics" in your life. But that is my opinion, I'm not going to confuse it with fact, other people will love both of these and we should be glad manufacturers make cars like these, as the future milk float sports card are coming I have owned Porches, unreliable and not cheap to put right, especially when stupid poor design allows water to leak into car and sit in the floor pan beneath passenger seat, which is where they decide to keep ECU.. not very clever.
I have owned my 600bhp GTR for nearly 3 years, twice as long as any other car in 40 years of car ownership, why... because they are terrific cars and great value, what could I get to replace it with that sort of performance? (and reliability)
I have read a comment on here about spending the £23k price difference on upgrading the GTR to make it even better, a response to that was from someone who really does not begin to understand what upgrades are available, I suggest he checks out what a extra £16K upgrade for a LM20 would get him.... but as the Porche was already slower by a country mile why bother upgrading the GTR to get the 0-62 down to 2.5 seconds anyway?
I have owned my 600bhp GTR for nearly 3 years, twice as long as any other car in 40 years of car ownership, why... because they are terrific cars and great value, what could I get to replace it with that sort of performance? (and reliability)
I have read a comment on here about spending the £23k price difference on upgrading the GTR to make it even better, a response to that was from someone who really does not begin to understand what upgrades are available, I suggest he checks out what a extra £16K upgrade for a LM20 would get him.... but as the Porche was already slower by a country mile why bother upgrading the GTR to get the 0-62 down to 2.5 seconds anyway?
I sold my first R35 after 7 years and 4 months of ownership to buy a newer car.
Covered 77000 miles of daily driving and around 40 track days it has never let me down.
Yes their were a few warranty issues but overall this car has far exceeded my expectations especially as it was the first car from Marshalls Cambridge.
Incredible value for money over the time I have had it, the depreciation worked out at £225 per month.
I am now considering an early 991 turbo but don't think it's a car to use as a daily driver and do 10,000 miles a year in.
Covered 77000 miles of daily driving and around 40 track days it has never let me down.
Yes their were a few warranty issues but overall this car has far exceeded my expectations especially as it was the first car from Marshalls Cambridge.
Incredible value for money over the time I have had it, the depreciation worked out at £225 per month.
I am now considering an early 991 turbo but don't think it's a car to use as a daily driver and do 10,000 miles a year in.
paul_k said:
I sold my first R35 after 7 years and 4 months of ownership to buy a newer car.
Covered 77000 miles of daily driving and around 40 track days it has never let me down.
Yes their were a few warranty issues but overall this car has far exceeded my expectations especially as it was the first car from Marshalls Cambridge.
Incredible value for money over the time I have had it, the depreciation worked out at £225 per month.
I am now considering an early 991 turbo but don't think it's a car to use as a daily driver and do 10,000 miles a year in.
One of the most interesting post I've read this week (thank you).Covered 77000 miles of daily driving and around 40 track days it has never let me down.
Yes their were a few warranty issues but overall this car has far exceeded my expectations especially as it was the first car from Marshalls Cambridge.
Incredible value for money over the time I have had it, the depreciation worked out at £225 per month.
I am now considering an early 991 turbo but don't think it's a car to use as a daily driver and do 10,000 miles a year in.
This to me is a key discussion point; daily drivers, plus would you do 40 track days in your daily driver as well, and come out with that level of depreciation, or higher, in a 911? If the buyer of a 911 knew the car had done 40 track days, how inclined would they be to buy the car in the first place, and secondly, how hard would they haggle on price?
Relatively speaking, I do wonder if some people think "oh, a GTR that's been tracked? Normal. A 911 that's been tracked? s
t, big bills coming." And yes, I know neither of these cars are cheap to maintain properly. But in my understanding, I believe the 911 costs big bills when it goes wrong*.- I've also seen some video of them doing multiple TLGP launches, and words around reliability in this regard too. Impressive stuff, and you pay for the engineering.
Thanks though, appreciate it, always nice when you've written something over a weekend to have it received well 
Let's just see what the rest of the comments say...
big_rob_sydney said:
One of the most interesting post I've read this week (thank you).
This to me is a key discussion point; daily drivers, plus would you do 40 track days in your daily driver as well, and come out with that level of depreciation, or higher, in a 911? If the buyer of a 911 knew the car had done 40 track days, how inclined would they be to buy the car in the first place, and secondly, how hard would they haggle on price?
Relatively speaking, I do wonder if some people think "oh, a GTR that's been tracked? Normal. A 911 that's been tracked? st, big bills coming." And yes, I know neither of these cars are cheap to maintain properly. But in my understanding, I believe the 911 costs big bills when it goes wrong*.
I wouldn't say GT-R are any more reliable - just google Nissan GT-R problems.This to me is a key discussion point; daily drivers, plus would you do 40 track days in your daily driver as well, and come out with that level of depreciation, or higher, in a 911? If the buyer of a 911 knew the car had done 40 track days, how inclined would they be to buy the car in the first place, and secondly, how hard would they haggle on price?
Relatively speaking, I do wonder if some people think "oh, a GTR that's been tracked? Normal. A 911 that's been tracked? s
t, big bills coming." And yes, I know neither of these cars are cheap to maintain properly. But in my understanding, I believe the 911 costs big bills when it goes wrong*.- I've also seen some video of them doing multiple TLGP launches, and words around reliability in this regard too. Impressive stuff, and you pay for the engineering.
Modern Porsches can take 50 launches in a row and GT-R can't, and while I only tracked it a few times a year the only bills I faced were tyres/servicing ones, the warranty also covers you on track ... for ten years (you pay for this of course - about £2.2k every two years) so things going wrong wouldn't be an issue.
The servicing is pretty good as well, my last major was £880 including a/c and brake fluid change (with TIPEC discount) and only occurs every 4 years (minor in between) given I only do 9-10k max miles per year.
I actually sold mine for the same price I bought it for (mainly because 997 turbo prices have gone through the roof and I bought s/h a few years back) so in this case deprecation is zero.
Looking at the weights of the two cars there isn't the huge gulf in the power/weight ratios that the headline power figures would suggest, I would imagine the in gear performance is a lot closer than the 2.8 vs 4.1 drag to 62 would have you believe at fast road speeds.
I'd take the Porsche more than fast enough for anyone.
Wills2 said:
Looking at the weights of the two cars there isn't the huge gulf in the power/weight ratios that the headline power figures would suggest, I would imagine the in gear performance is a lot closer than the 2.8 vs 4.1 drag to 62 would have you believe at fast road speeds.
I'd take the Porsche more than fast enough for anyone.
I'd wager that the GTR would be considerably faster in any given scenario!I'd take the Porsche more than fast enough for anyone.
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