RE: Golf R400 testing again

[nickfrog]

QuattroDave said:

Strange how other cars since June 2016 have seen nowhere near the 10-20% you're claiming. In a competitive market like certain sectors of the motor industry manufacturers will absorb a lot of the FX impact to retain their market share.

Manufacturers also buy currency forward for a couple of years at least to smooth the spikes/troughs. But there is only so long this can work of course...

[anonymous-user]

Just to put it in perspective, and i know a Golf R should basically look like the rest of the range but come on VW push the barriers a bit, you have some great heritage.

Golf A59



W12



Rallye Golf

[SuperchargedVR6]

I thought the original concept sported a 24V 3.0 VR6 turbo?

It would be a shame if they just threw the 5 pot in there with a VW badge on the engine cover.

Come on VW, distance yourself from your yawn fest 'S Line' cousin and go your own way. Use the V6. Otherwise it's just going to be yet another generic VAG product with annoying chavs boring everyone with their DSG upshift exhaust farts. That is so old now.

[gigglebug]

Yipper said:

If they can tame the understeer from the different weighting of the bigger engine, it will be an epic car, and probably at a fair price.

Surely your Golf R with the £500 remap you had will still be quicker as it beats most junior supercars Yipper?

Just out of interest what colour did you choose for your Huracan Performante after your recent test drive?

It will be good to see the five cylinder back in as many cars as possible, I've got a lot of time for that engine.

Edited by gigglebug on Thursday 21st September 20:44

[culpz]

TurboHatchback said:

I can't help wondering what the point is. The current Golf R is pointlessly fast, what will adding another 100bhp achieve other than greater pub dick-measuring prowess? Then again that's what sells cars and they are in the business of making money so I guess I've answered my own question.

Have you heard a 5-cylinder over a 4-pot? Much nicer, IMO.

The point for me is that i've always preferred the VW-badged stuff as apposed to the four-rings. I'd always have a Golf R over an S3 etc. So, i'd much rather this over an RS3.

It could be seen as a pointless exercise and i can see it from that perspective but definitely not in the way that you do.

[culpz]

SuperchargedVR6 said:

I thought the original concept sported a 24V 3.0 VR6 turbo?

It would be a shame if they just threw the 5 pot in there with a VW badge on the engine cover.

Come on VW, distance yourself from your yawn fest 'S Line' cousin and go your own way. Use the V6. Otherwise it's just going to be yet another generic VAG product with annoying chavs boring everyone with their DSG upshift exhaust farts. That is so old now.

It was originally going to be the standard 2.0T from the R wasn't it? Reworked to produce 400bhp? I didn't think there was ever any mention of anything bigger than a 4-cylinder on offer.

Thing is, are you really expecting VW to suddenly go bonkers all of a sudden? There's too much typical efficiency and emissions stuff going on across the board for them to be chucking VR6 engines in.

[Burwood]

phil4 said:

Just spec'd an existing golf R, and with very few options got it very close to 40K.

While I'm sure this'll be a cracking addition to the range, I do wonder how close to 40K it'll end up being. I may be a tight git, but don't fancy all the extra tax if I'm only just over the 40K limit.

A bit disengenous. You have to really try hard to hit 40k and it's common knowledge you can get 5k discounts.

[Burwood]

culpz said:

SuperchargedVR6 said:

I thought the original concept sported a 24V 3.0 VR6 turbo?

It would be a shame if they just threw the 5 pot in there with a VW badge on the engine cover.

Come on VW, distance yourself from your yawn fest 'S Line' cousin and go your own way. Use the V6. Otherwise it's just going to be yet another generic VAG product with annoying chavs boring everyone with their DSG upshift exhaust farts. That is so old now.

It was originally going to be the standard 2.0T from the R wasn't it? Reworked to produce 400bhp? I didn't think there was ever any mention of anything bigger than a 4-cylinder on offer.

Thing is, are you really expecting VW to suddenly go bonkers all of a sudden? There's too much typical efficiency and emissions stuff going on across the board for them to be chucking VR6 engines in.

And it's too heavy. Loved the r32 I had years ago but it was a damn heavy car. I personally don't like the idea of 400hp 2L engines. I know tuners have managed 500+ but not my bag at all.

[jonosterman]

Burwood said:

A bit disengenous. You have to really try hard to hit 40k and it's common knowledge you can get 5k discounts.

The discount is irrelevant. If the list price is over £40k, you'll pay the extra tax regardless of what you actually pay the dealer.

[Burwood]

Fair enough, didn't note the focus on tax.

[Fetchez la vache]

andrew-oo1g5 said:

I hope they're not bringing a R400 out anytime soon.... I've just ordered the standard R, so only a measly 310hp ??

It'll be fine.
If they do make it, chances are the average Joe won't be able to tell the difference between yours, the R400 and a tdi anyway

[yellowstreak]

I am i completely wrong in thinking that a 400bhp car needs a proper mechanical awd system? I've not driven the current type r but I've tried a friend's mk7 r and my wife used to have an s3. Both felt like front wheel drive cars really.

Nothing wrong with that and I accept that Haldex is very good now but given that these cars have taken over from the Japanese saloons which dominated the powerful AWD section for so long I can't help feeling Haldex is a bit of a compromise.

Edited by yellowstreak on Friday 22 September 10:11

[galaxie500]

If the Golf R had continued the lineage from the VR6 then R32 the 5 cylinder engine would make sense but moving to a 4 pot for the Mk6 & 7 R's altered the Golf range and I doubt a big cylinder motor will find its way back. I'd have one though just for that fantastic off beat noise & gorgeous torquey lump.

[andrewparker]

andrew-oo1g5 said:

I hope they're not bringing a R400 out anytime soon.... I've just ordered the standard R, so only a measly 310hp ??

I wouldn't worry too much, in the latest Autocar video Matt Prior and Dan Prosser described the R as the best car in the world

[Leins]

The Spruce goose said:

Just to put it in perspective, and i know a Golf R should basically look like the rest of the range but come on VW push the barriers a bit, you have some great heritage.

Golf A59



W12



Rallye Golf

I quite like the idea of it being more discreet like the Limited myself:

[Olivera]

VAG already make a 5 cylinder hatch with Haldex 4WD - the RS3. This would be a yet another VAG platform clone, same car but a slightly different body.

Snoozefest.

[legless]

gofasterrosssco said:

I was just thinking the same! Rather than stick the heavier 5-pot iron lump in the front (which undoubtedly has some handling compromises on the RS3),

The latest incarnation of the 5 pot has an alloy block. Still heavier than the EA888, but not by a great deal.

[andrewparker]

Olivera said:

VAG already make a 5 cylinder hatch with Haldex 4WD - the RS3. This would be a yet another VAG platform clone, same car but a slightly different body.

Snoozefest.

That’s not the case with the S3/R...

[culpz]

Burwood said:

And it's too heavy. Loved the r32 I had years ago but it was a damn heavy car. I personally don't like the idea of 400hp 2L engines. I know tuners have managed 500+ but not my bag at all.

It is amazing what can be done with forced induction though. Especially when VW only managed 250bhp from a 3.2 VR6 on the MK5, yet the MK7 R gets 300bhp from a 2.0 4-cylinder and a fair bit more torque.

I've always wanted an R32 though and they are probably more of an appealing ownership proposition for me compared to the newer variants. That engine and noise is bonkers for a Golf!

[WCZ]

TurboHatchback said:

The current Golf R is pointlessly fast.

right, the golf r only has 9bhp/ton more than your 4.2fsi which you seem to miss.

https://www.pistonheads.com/members/showcar.asp?ca...

so was that pointlessly fast too? or is it the extra 9hp/ton that turns the golf into an unusable rocket ship on the roads vs the Audi?