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bristolracer said:
Can they be done for piracy?
Think the penalties for that are still quite harsh
Indeed they ahhhhrThink the penalties for that are still quite harsh
Sorry.
I can see their point though. It would definitely help the environment immeasurably if we sent a fully laden boat (doubt it's powered by wind but what would I know?) back across to Germany and then bring them all back again on another boat when the coast is clear (sorry again).
Crazy, but then I don't know why I would expect it any other way.
Edited by Gad-Westy on Thursday 21st September 14:05
Atomic12C said:
Shouldn't they be camping and climbing outside the houses of Blair and Brown?
As it was their government that told everyone they should buy diseasal due to their fear of plant gasses that come out of the back of petrol cars.
They even forced people to buy diseasal via the additional Vehicle Excise Duty they placed on petrol cars.
For blame over the amount of diseasal cars in the UK, look no further than Blair and Brown.
As much as I despise those two clowns, you do have to look much further than them. In fact, I'd look as far as Germany, and the messiah of Europe Angela Merkel. Pretty sure, as has been reported online, because she has no back bone when it comes to unions in her own country, as Minister for the Environment in 1997 she openly allowed the big three German OEMs to lobby the European Commission on the benefits of a switch to diesel to drive down CO2, which lead to the Kyoto protocol...which led to an enforced European-wide uptake of diesel - not just in the UK. As it was their government that told everyone they should buy diseasal due to their fear of plant gasses that come out of the back of petrol cars.
They even forced people to buy diseasal via the additional Vehicle Excise Duty they placed on petrol cars.
For blame over the amount of diseasal cars in the UK, look no further than Blair and Brown.
And now, they're heavily ramming electrification down our throats... Which is nice, considering the vast majority of Germany's power still originates from coal-fired powerstations and they're fully expected to miss their 2020 targets of CO2 reduction as a nation. But still, it appears they can do PR very well...
CountZero23 said:
Feel for the OP but given just how toxic we now know the diesel particulates to be it's more than justifiable in my view.
Sure, marine diesel is a huge problem too but at least those particulates aren't liberally dumped in the middle of cities.
Really?Sure, marine diesel is a huge problem too but at least those particulates aren't liberally dumped in the middle of cities.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/05/1705...
Ninja59 said:
CountZero23 said:
Feel for the OP but given just how toxic we now know the diesel particulates to be it's more than justifiable in my view.
Sure, marine diesel is a huge problem too but at least those particulates aren't liberally dumped in the middle of cities.
Particulates are not just produced by diesel! This is what is part of the irony of all this diesel bashing.Sure, marine diesel is a huge problem too but at least those particulates aren't liberally dumped in the middle of cities.
They are a result of incomplete combustion and petrol produces them in direct injection format.
Furthermore, particulates come from many other sources such as tyres etc.
I just wish people would get it out their heads that diesel = particulates. No, there are many sources and the WHO labelled particulates as toxic not diesel.
JohnoVR6 said:
As much as I despise those two clowns, you do have to look much further than them. In fact, I'd look as far as Germany, and the messiah of Europe Angela Merkel. Pretty sure, as has been reported online, because she has no back bone when it comes to unions in her own country, as Minister for the Environment in 1997 she openly allowed the big three German OEMs to lobby the European Commission on the benefits of a switch to diesel to drive down CO2, which lead to the Kyoto protocol...which led to an enforced European-wide uptake of diesel - not just in the UK.
And now, they're heavily ramming electrification down our throats... Which is nice, considering the vast majority of Germany's power still originates from coal-fired powerstations and they're fully expected to miss their 2020 targets of CO2 reduction as a nation. But still, it appears they can do PR very well...
Yes I quite agree.And now, they're heavily ramming electrification down our throats... Which is nice, considering the vast majority of Germany's power still originates from coal-fired powerstations and they're fully expected to miss their 2020 targets of CO2 reduction as a nation. But still, it appears they can do PR very well...
When science issues and politicians mix, the end result is often pointless and counter-productive.
Ninja59 said:
Particulates are not just produced by diesel! This is what is part of the irony of all this diesel bashing.
They are a result of incomplete combustion and petrol produces them in direct injection format.
Furthermore, particulates come from many other sources such as tyres etc.
I just wish people would get it out their heads that diesel = particulates. No, there are many sources and the WHO labelled particulates as toxic not diesel.
No... Diesel Exhaust Particulate, or DEP, are produced by Diesel. That's why the scientists call it that. They are a result of incomplete combustion and petrol produces them in direct injection format.
Furthermore, particulates come from many other sources such as tyres etc.
I just wish people would get it out their heads that diesel = particulates. No, there are many sources and the WHO labelled particulates as toxic not diesel.
The main issue is the size of the particulate, which permeates deep into the lungs, causes an inflammatory response, and is not easily removed.
Yes. Similar particles can come from many sources, but diesel particulate makes up a significant percentage of PM10 air quality measurements and is entirely avoidable by using existing viable alternatives.
I wish you anti-science bods would spend just 5 minutes on f
king Wikipedia before you start making these ridiculous assertions. I wonder how the older members of CND/Greenpeace reconcile with the fact that in the 70s they were the ones driving around in diesels all at the exact time the original air pollution papers were being published that showed how much more dangerous diesel was over petrol. You never saw a diesel Peugeot estate without a CND badge in suburbia.
Still, the young chaps on this boat just need to be shot with tranquillisers and carefully returned to their natural habitat, like Islington.
It's really the fault of the people who think it's nice to feed them. They then lose their fear of humans and stray into our habitat, become confused and scared and cause damage.
Still, the young chaps on this boat just need to be shot with tranquillisers and carefully returned to their natural habitat, like Islington.
It's really the fault of the people who think it's nice to feed them. They then lose their fear of humans and stray into our habitat, become confused and scared and cause damage.
Prof Prolapse said:
Ninja59 said:
Particulates are not just produced by diesel! This is what is part of the irony of all this diesel bashing.
They are a result of incomplete combustion and petrol produces them in direct injection format.
Furthermore, particulates come from many other sources such as tyres etc.
I just wish people would get it out their heads that diesel = particulates. No, there are many sources and the WHO labelled particulates as toxic not diesel.
No... Diesel Exhaust Particulate, or DEP, are produced by Diesel. That's why the scientists call it that. They are a result of incomplete combustion and petrol produces them in direct injection format.
Furthermore, particulates come from many other sources such as tyres etc.
I just wish people would get it out their heads that diesel = particulates. No, there are many sources and the WHO labelled particulates as toxic not diesel.
The main issue is the size of the particulate, which permeates deep into the lungs, causes an inflammatory response, and is not easily removed.
Yes. Similar particles can come from many sources, but diesel particulate makes up a significant percentage of PM10 air quality measurements and is entirely avoidable by using existing viable alternatives.
I wish you anti-science bods would spend just 5 minutes on f
king Wikipedia before you start making these ridiculous assertions. 
As I've said before, I read posts without seeing who wrote them first. As soon as I read this sentence, I knew it was you.Prof Prolapse said:
No... Diesel Exhaust Particulate, or DEP, are produced by Diesel. That's why the scientists call it that.
The main issue is the size of the particulate, which permeates deep into the lungs, causes an inflammatory response, and is not easily removed.
Yes. Similar particles can come from many sources, but diesel particulate makes up a significant percentage of PM10 air quality measurements and is entirely avoidable by using existing viable alternatives.
I wish you anti-science bods would spend just 5 minutes on fking Wikipedia before you start making these ridiculous assertions.
The science though relates to fossil fuel particulates, not just coming from diesel now. Petrols with GDI have exactly the same problem and have been found to produce similar levels of particulates pre DPF and of a similar size...The main issue is the size of the particulate, which permeates deep into the lungs, causes an inflammatory response, and is not easily removed.
Yes. Similar particles can come from many sources, but diesel particulate makes up a significant percentage of PM10 air quality measurements and is entirely avoidable by using existing viable alternatives.
I wish you anti-science bods would spend just 5 minutes on f
king Wikipedia before you start making these ridiculous assertions. What existing viable alternatives are them? More so when many GDI engines have no filter of particulates of the same size?
Piracy is good enough for me
Piracy consists of any of the following acts:
"Any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft (or) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state;
"Any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;
"Any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act described (above)"
So why doesnt the frigging govt do anything about it
This is international law as laid down by the UN
Piracy consists of any of the following acts:
"Any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft (or) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state;
"Any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;
"Any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act described (above)"
So why doesnt the frigging govt do anything about it
This is international law as laid down by the UN
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