Love for Alcantara - Cold Morning

Love for Alcantara - Cold Morning

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Ares

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Friday 22nd September 2017
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RobM77 said:
austinsmirk said:
I can't resist saying this, after all the talk of electric cars.

one advantage of them is you can entirely pre-heat your car, via you phone.

heater, heated seats, steering wheel. Lovely stuff !
That's been an option on a few ordinary ICE cars now for years. Volvo and BMW for example.
And in an ICE it doesn't reduce your range either wink

Gad-Westy

14,568 posts

213 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Ares said:
RobM77 said:
austinsmirk said:
I can't resist saying this, after all the talk of electric cars.

one advantage of them is you can entirely pre-heat your car, via you phone.

heater, heated seats, steering wheel. Lovely stuff !
That's been an option on a few ordinary ICE cars now for years. Volvo and BMW for example.
And in an ICE it doesn't reduce your range either wink
How's that work? Magic energy fairy? smile

An electric car is quite likely to be plugged in during pre-heating so range isn't effected. Though admittedly, range does take a significant hit if you need to continue heating during your journey. I think that is why electric cars often have this function. It's nothing new in technology terms but allows you do it with your household electricity rather than depleting your range. They do have one other advantage in that the heaters are normally fully electrical rather than relying on any engine heat, though I guess ICE cars with this option may also have electric aux heaters. Either way, nice feature in any car. And no screen scraping smile

Back on topic, not had alcantara seats before but new car arrives next week with them. How difficult are they to keep clean? Particularly factoring in a two year old and five year old's car habits?

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

123 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Yr doomed, Gad-westy.

a 2 and 5 year old will destroy the interior !! i'm quite happy one car is full leather, the other cloth. at least both can be scrubbed.

I find car seats leave a hell of an imprint too from their bases.

Gad-Westy

14,568 posts

213 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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austinsmirk said:
Yr doomed, Gad-westy.

a 2 and 5 year old will destroy the interior !! i'm quite happy one car is full leather, the other cloth. at least both can be scrubbed.

I find car seats leave a hell of an imprint too from their bases.
I've always put thick folded towel between car seat and leather to protect it in the past. Sounds like I might need to go for the Mumbai taxi look and cover the whole back seat in something child proof.

J4CKO

41,562 posts

200 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Leins said:
I'm not really a fan of either TBH, give me cloth seats any day
Indeed, I am hoping there is an anti leather movement, cloth provided at the moment is seemingly intended as punishment for not specifying leather, then you get a couple of different standards of leather, sort of standard plasticised stuff like found in rank and file BMW 5 series, then the proper stuff for a coupel of grand extra.

How come no manufacturer has come up with a premium cloth option ? and just pun the scratchy charcoal grey stuff that shows water marks, surely there would be a market for it, leather is done to death and some people object to it on moral grounds, though not sure how much actual cow goes into a 520D M Sport ?

I suppose Alcantara is the nearest actually thinking about it.

swagmeister

382 posts

92 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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And very quickly Alcantara bobbles like you old trusty pullover.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

224 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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swagmeister said:
And very quickly Alcantara bobbles like you old trusty pullover.
3000 wet and dry and it looks like new again.


So don't all cars allow you to turn on the heating via remote control so the whole cabin is toasty when you get in in the morning?

This is my 10 year old RR, getting into a cold cabin is never an issue......




Apart from the fact that the Fuel Burning Remote Heater is usually enough to drop the battery voltage to the point where you get loads of warning lights when you start!!!! Arghhh! Bloody Land Rovers.

RobM77

35,349 posts

234 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Gad-Westy said:
Ares said:
RobM77 said:
austinsmirk said:
I can't resist saying this, after all the talk of electric cars.

one advantage of them is you can entirely pre-heat your car, via you phone.

heater, heated seats, steering wheel. Lovely stuff !
That's been an option on a few ordinary ICE cars now for years. Volvo and BMW for example.
And in an ICE it doesn't reduce your range either wink
How's that work? Magic energy fairy? smile
biggrin I know what Ares is getting at though. My ICE car has a range of about 800-900 miles, so depleting that (indirectly!) is no problem at all. However, with a current ICE car would you really be confident enough to do what I'm going to do in the morning: drive 120 miles to a surfing beach, spend all day getting cold, run the pre-heater at a remote location with no charging point, and then drive 120 miles home again. That would give me some serious range anxiety! Hopefully range will keep increasing though and we'll get there some day.

Ares

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11,000 posts

120 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Gad-Westy said:
How's that work? Magic energy fairy? smile

An electric car is quite likely to be plugged in during pre-heating so range isn't effected. Though admittedly, range does take a significant hit if you need to continue heating during your journey. I think that is why electric cars often have this function. It's nothing new in technology terms but allows you do it with your household electricity rather than depleting your range. They do have one other advantage in that the heaters are normally fully electrical rather than relying on any engine heat, though I guess ICE cars with this option may also have electric aux heaters. Either way, nice feature in any car. And no screen scraping smile

Back on topic, not had alcantara seats before but new car arrives next week with them. How difficult are they to keep clean? Particularly factoring in a two year old and five year old's car habits?
Because in an ICE car, the battery doesn't impact range ;-)

And most EV owners don't (need to) charge every night.

Gad-Westy

14,568 posts

213 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Ares said:
Because in an ICE car, the battery doesn't impact range ;-)

And most EV owners don't (need to) charge every night.
I don't know if you're being serious or not (I hope not!) but I guess this is taking the thread a little off course so back onto seats....

When are we getting some denim options?

RobM77

35,349 posts

234 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Ares said:
Gad-Westy said:
How's that work? Magic energy fairy? smile

An electric car is quite likely to be plugged in during pre-heating so range isn't effected. Though admittedly, range does take a significant hit if you need to continue heating during your journey. I think that is why electric cars often have this function. It's nothing new in technology terms but allows you do it with your household electricity rather than depleting your range. They do have one other advantage in that the heaters are normally fully electrical rather than relying on any engine heat, though I guess ICE cars with this option may also have electric aux heaters. Either way, nice feature in any car. And no screen scraping smile

Back on topic, not had alcantara seats before but new car arrives next week with them. How difficult are they to keep clean? Particularly factoring in a two year old and five year old's car habits?
Because in an ICE car, the battery doesn't impact range ;-)

And most EV owners don't (need to) charge every night.
What GW is referring to is the fact that if you run the heater off the ICE car's battery, the alternator will then have to charge the battery back up, which will induce (pun not intended!) a drag on the engine, decreasing its efficiency. You 'pay' for the power required to heat the car via a decreased mpg. The issue that I point out above is that range isn't an issue for most ICE cars, whereas in a current EV it's a major issue. As pointed out above, for EV cars the feature is really intended to be used when connected to a charging point, rather than with the car parked on a lonely hillside whilst you're enjoying an icy (pun not intended) winter walk! Essentially, it's a feature available in both ICE and EV cars, it's just more useful in an ICE car.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Is this a thread about electric cars or about fabric types?!

mp3manager

4,254 posts

196 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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austinsmirk said:
I can't resist saying this, after all the talk of electric cars.

one advantage of them is you can entirely pre-heat your car, via you phone.
Why would someone with an electric car have a smartphone?

whoami

13,151 posts

240 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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swagmeister said:
And very quickly Alcantara bobbles like you old trusty pullover.
I experienced no bobbles at all on mine.

Gad-Westy

14,568 posts

213 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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mp3manager said:
Why would someone with an electric car have a smartphone?
Can't play Pokemon Go on your Renault Zoe.

clowesy

293 posts

121 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Alcantara centres with leather bolsters in the best combo. Had this on the Recaros in my old Megane R26. Hard wearing where it needs to be, warm and grippy where you sit. Perfect.

Ares

Original Poster:

11,000 posts

120 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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RobM77 said:
Ares said:
Gad-Westy said:
How's that work? Magic energy fairy? smile

An electric car is quite likely to be plugged in during pre-heating so range isn't effected. Though admittedly, range does take a significant hit if you need to continue heating during your journey. I think that is why electric cars often have this function. It's nothing new in technology terms but allows you do it with your household electricity rather than depleting your range. They do have one other advantage in that the heaters are normally fully electrical rather than relying on any engine heat, though I guess ICE cars with this option may also have electric aux heaters. Either way, nice feature in any car. And no screen scraping smile

Back on topic, not had alcantara seats before but new car arrives next week with them. How difficult are they to keep clean? Particularly factoring in a two year old and five year old's car habits?
Because in an ICE car, the battery doesn't impact range ;-)

And most EV owners don't (need to) charge every night.
What GW is referring to is the fact that if you run the heater off the ICE car's battery, the alternator will then have to charge the battery back up, which will induce (pun not intended!) a drag on the engine, decreasing its efficiency. You 'pay' for the power required to heat the car via a decreased mpg. The issue that I point out above is that range isn't an issue for most ICE cars, whereas in a current EV it's a major issue. As pointed out above, for EV cars the feature is really intended to be used when connected to a charging point, rather than with the car parked on a lonely hillside whilst you're enjoying an icy (pun not intended) winter walk! Essentially, it's a feature available in both ICE and EV cars, it's just more useful in an ICE car.
Yes, but with modern tech, the batteries are charged using wasted energy from braking. BMWs certainly are, the the drain on fuel is minimised if not totally eradicated.


EDIT: Freudian slip on autocorrect of Braking/Breaking.... Ironic perhaps.

Edited by Ares on Friday 22 September 16:18

Ares

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Friday 22nd September 2017
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clowesy said:
Alcantara centres with leather bolsters in the best combo. Had this on the Recaros in my old Megane R26. Hard wearing where it needs to be, warm and grippy where you sit. Perfect.
Exactly what mine has. Perfect combo (although leather in the rear would have been good for child/wipe-free purposes)

nickfrog

21,160 posts

217 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Ares said:
Yes, but with modern tech, the batteries are charged using wasted energy from breaking. BMWs certainly are, the the drain on fuel is minimised if not totally eradicated.
Magic, innit ? ;-)

Ares

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Friday 22nd September 2017
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nickfrog said:
Magic, innit ? ;-)
Not really. Tech progress ;-)