RE: Aston Martin returns to Formula One
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Wills2 said:
$170m in f1 isn't money to burn just have a look how much Honda have spent to get no where.
Very true but Honda are trying to build an engine. AM won't be doing anything like that. RBR don't need any technical expertise of product from AM. I suspect that this is a sponsorship deal where AM is simply paying cash to have their name on the car etc. But with a twist that they will contribute to the costs on development areas that will be of use in AM cars. So it may transpire to be cheaper to buy RBR's expertise than to try and go it alone. AM certainly has some massive technological changes to make to stay in the running with the global manufacturers and tapping in to RBR's expertise could be extremely beneficial.
DonkeyApple said:
Very true but Honda are trying to build an engine. AM won't be doing anything like that. RBR don't need any technical expertise of product from AM.
I suspect that this is a sponsorship deal where AM is simply paying cash to have their name on the car etc. But with a twist that they will contribute to the costs on development areas that will be of use in AM cars. So it may transpire to be cheaper to buy RBR's expertise than to try and go it alone. AM certainly has some massive technological changes to make to stay in the running with the global manufacturers and tapping in to RBR's expertise could be extremely beneficial.
I'd be hugely surprised if cash poor Aston are paying for this. I believe it's part of Mateschitz's exit plan for Red Bull come 2020. Essentially a 'parachute' to allow the Red Bull name to reduce in prominence and segue into a team acquired by investors Horner is already looking for. Whether those investors decide to buy into Aston, who knows? But by end of 2020 Red Bull can exit F1 without paying anything to FOM. It's great free PR for Aston and plays well to the halo effect around the V cars. I also have a theory that it's Didi's way of sticking two fingers up to his (ex?) friends at VAG who refused to play his game and buy the team.I suspect that this is a sponsorship deal where AM is simply paying cash to have their name on the car etc. But with a twist that they will contribute to the costs on development areas that will be of use in AM cars. So it may transpire to be cheaper to buy RBR's expertise than to try and go it alone. AM certainly has some massive technological changes to make to stay in the running with the global manufacturers and tapping in to RBR's expertise could be extremely beneficial.
Aston Martin engines in the last sixty years number two in all - the straight six a la DB 4 etc and the V8 a la DBS etc. The rest are based on other people's - Jaguar and Ford , and now Mercedes. Nowt wrong with that at all but not a track record in engine design to rival Cosworth or Ferrari really. Mind you, just hire the right people - Mercedes did .
coppice said:
Aston Martin engines in the last sixty years number two in all - the straight six a la DB 4 etc and the V8 a la DBS etc. The rest are based on other people's - Jaguar and Ford , and now Mercedes. Nowt wrong with that at all but not a track record in engine design to rival Cosworth or Ferrari really. Mind you, just hire the right people - Mercedes did .
The later straight 6 was based on the earlier WO Bentley designed Lagonda engine which was bought in. Marek didn't design and build it from scratch. His V8 is the only example I can think of. coppice said:
Aston Martin engines in the last sixty years number two in all - the straight six a la DB 4 etc and the V8 a la DBS etc. The rest are based on other people's - Jaguar and Ford , and now Mercedes. Nowt wrong with that at all but not a track record in engine design to rival Cosworth or Ferrari really. Mind you, just hire the right people - Mercedes did .
...and put aside a budget of around US$1bn...Let's hope Ross is close to coming up with a standard spec that will allow a company such as Cosworth or Ricardo to build a cost effective power unit for 2021. rubystone said:
...and put aside a budget of around US$1bn...Let's hope Ross is close to coming up with a standard spec that will allow a company such as Cosworth or Ricardo to build a cost effective power unit for 2021.
Whatever it will be it will be what the mainstream manufacturers of cars want to be peddling out of the glass, high street emporiums and they will want to keep it expensive enough to not risk any embarrassing competitive upsets. It won't be what the fans want. 
coppice said:
Aston Martin engines in the last sixty years number two in all - the straight six a la DB 4 etc and the V8 a la DBS etc. The rest are based on other people's - Jaguar and Ford , and now Mercedes. Nowt wrong with that at all but not a track record in engine design to rival Cosworth or Ferrari really. Mind you, just hire the right people - Mercedes did .
So is that what Honda have been doing wrong then?coppice said:
Aston Martin engines in the last sixty years number two in all - the straight six a la DB 4 etc and the V8 a la DBS etc. The rest are based on other people's - Jaguar and Ford , and now Mercedes. Nowt wrong with that at all but not a track record in engine design to rival Cosworth or Ferrari really. Mind you, just hire the right people - Mercedes did .
Don't forget the straight-6 in the AMR-One in 2012.Krikkit said:
coppice said:
Aston Martin engines in the last sixty years number two in all - the straight six a la DB 4 etc and the V8 a la DBS etc. The rest are based on other people's - Jaguar and Ford , and now Mercedes. Nowt wrong with that at all but not a track record in engine design to rival Cosworth or Ferrari really. Mind you, just hire the right people - Mercedes did .
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