RE: Lamborghini Aventador S: Review
Discussion
Durzel said:
Supercars nowadays need to be accomplished. The days of excusing this sort of thing as "part of the italian charm" and "you pay for the engine, the rest is free" are long gone.
There's no reason this car shouldn't excel at something so basic. Yes it's a big car, the driving position is very low and I'd presume visibility is compromised; but a smooth, decisive gearbox is as important as the aesthetics in my opinion. If driving it is frustrating, then it's wrong.
I find it incredible that a car like this doesn't have a twin-clutch system (I read the article, but don't buy into the "it's heavy" excuse). If not having it compromises the dynamics to this extent, Lamborghini need to find weight saving elsewhere.
Or, you know... a manual.There's no reason this car shouldn't excel at something so basic. Yes it's a big car, the driving position is very low and I'd presume visibility is compromised; but a smooth, decisive gearbox is as important as the aesthetics in my opinion. If driving it is frustrating, then it's wrong.
I find it incredible that a car like this doesn't have a twin-clutch system (I read the article, but don't buy into the "it's heavy" excuse). If not having it compromises the dynamics to this extent, Lamborghini need to find weight saving elsewhere.
Yipper said:
Lambo seem to be building up to the big event and swan song, which will be the Aventador S Performante and a new Ring lap record in 2018.
Keep in mind the Aventador SV is already faster round the Ring than every single Ferrari and McLaren ever made. Lambo can make a good Aventador when it wants to.
When they want to! Keep in mind the Aventador SV is already faster round the Ring than every single Ferrari and McLaren ever made. Lambo can make a good Aventador when it wants to.
So the people who pay £300,000 for an Aventador S aren't worth making the effort for?
And your Ring 'fact' is incorrect - a McLaren P1 went a whopping 16 seconds faster a few months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4UD2N0EAdo
It's still my favourite car, but it's sort of becoming a total 'event car' for those special days.
Maybe not quite in performance terms, but in many other ways it's more or at least as much of an event car as the P1, 918 and LF and assuming I'd won the lottery and bought one, after I'd completed my journey risk assessment to check the car parking facilities on arrival, width of roads, likely hood of bad weather and possibility of it being stolen/damaged, I'm not sure just how much use it would get.
I love the fact that Lambo's still have V12's and are so loud and bonkers but I wonder how many of them become garage queens mainly due to the logistics of actually being able to use one,
Maybe not quite in performance terms, but in many other ways it's more or at least as much of an event car as the P1, 918 and LF and assuming I'd won the lottery and bought one, after I'd completed my journey risk assessment to check the car parking facilities on arrival, width of roads, likely hood of bad weather and possibility of it being stolen/damaged, I'm not sure just how much use it would get.
I love the fact that Lambo's still have V12's and are so loud and bonkers but I wonder how many of them become garage queens mainly due to the logistics of actually being able to use one,
Maldini35 said:
Yipper said:
Lambo seem to be building up to the big event and swan song, which will be the Aventador S Performante and a new Ring lap record in 2018.
Keep in mind the Aventador SV is already faster round the Ring than every single Ferrari and McLaren ever made. Lambo can make a good Aventador when it wants to.
When they want to! Keep in mind the Aventador SV is already faster round the Ring than every single Ferrari and McLaren ever made. Lambo can make a good Aventador when it wants to.
So the people who pay £300,000 for an Aventador S aren't worth making the effort for?
And your Ring 'fact' is incorrect - a McLaren P1 went a whopping 16 seconds faster a few months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4UD2N0EAdo
Is that Mac actually a production car in real terms or just a "special"specifically for the Nurb?. Not a real comparison I'd have said.
sone said:
Maldini35 said:
Yipper said:
Lambo seem to be building up to the big event and swan song, which will be the Aventador S Performante and a new Ring lap record in 2018.
Keep in mind the Aventador SV is already faster round the Ring than every single Ferrari and McLaren ever made. Lambo can make a good Aventador when it wants to.
When they want to! Keep in mind the Aventador SV is already faster round the Ring than every single Ferrari and McLaren ever made. Lambo can make a good Aventador when it wants to.
So the people who pay £300,000 for an Aventador S aren't worth making the effort for?
And your Ring 'fact' is incorrect - a McLaren P1 went a whopping 16 seconds faster a few months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4UD2N0EAdo
Is that Mac actually a production car in real terms or just a "special"specifically for the Nurb?. Not a real comparison I'd have said.
Anyway, Yipper didn't specify he just said that the Lambo was faster around the ring than anything by made by Ferrari or McLaren - which isn't true.
My view is it's all nonsense anyway. The lap time of an unverified, 'golden' car driven by a professional nutter who knows the Ring like the back of his hand is utterly meaningless.
Like an Olympic 100m final without drug testing. Kind of fun to watch but provides little empirical value.
Doesn't change the fact that the Aventador isn't a very good car to drive.
Of course some might not care about how it drives.
Each to their own.
Maldini35 said:
True but was the Lambo an actual production car or a factory optimized 'special'?
Anyway, Yipper didn't specify he just said that the Lambo was faster around the ring than anything by made by Ferrari or McLaren - which isn't true.
My view is it's all nonsense anyway. The lap time of an unverified, 'golden' car driven by a professional nutter who knows the Ring like the back of his hand is utterly meaningless.
Like an Olympic 100m final without drug testing. Kind of fun to watch but provides little empirical value.
Doesn't change the fact that the Aventador isn't a very good car to drive.
Of course some might not care about how it drives.
Each to their own.
I disagree it's a fantastic car to drive, looks fantastic goes like stink and puts a smile on your face and it would seem the public at large, outside of central London.Anyway, Yipper didn't specify he just said that the Lambo was faster around the ring than anything by made by Ferrari or McLaren - which isn't true.
My view is it's all nonsense anyway. The lap time of an unverified, 'golden' car driven by a professional nutter who knows the Ring like the back of his hand is utterly meaningless.
Like an Olympic 100m final without drug testing. Kind of fun to watch but provides little empirical value.
Doesn't change the fact that the Aventador isn't a very good car to drive.
Of course some might not care about how it drives.
Each to their own.
Sure it's a bit wide but if you're used to big saloons you don't even notice and the weight is irrelevant given the power.
A supercar is about the event the rest is all bar talk!
sone said:
Maldini35 said:
True but was the Lambo an actual production car or a factory optimized 'special'?
Anyway, Yipper didn't specify he just said that the Lambo was faster around the ring than anything by made by Ferrari or McLaren - which isn't true.
My view is it's all nonsense anyway. The lap time of an unverified, 'golden' car driven by a professional nutter who knows the Ring like the back of his hand is utterly meaningless.
Like an Olympic 100m final without drug testing. Kind of fun to watch but provides little empirical value.
Doesn't change the fact that the Aventador isn't a very good car to drive.
Of course some might not care about how it drives.
Each to their own.
I disagree it's a fantastic car to drive, looks fantastic goes like stink and puts a smile on your face and it would seem the public at large, outside of central London.Anyway, Yipper didn't specify he just said that the Lambo was faster around the ring than anything by made by Ferrari or McLaren - which isn't true.
My view is it's all nonsense anyway. The lap time of an unverified, 'golden' car driven by a professional nutter who knows the Ring like the back of his hand is utterly meaningless.
Like an Olympic 100m final without drug testing. Kind of fun to watch but provides little empirical value.
Doesn't change the fact that the Aventador isn't a very good car to drive.
Of course some might not care about how it drives.
Each to their own.
Sure it's a bit wide but if you're used to big saloons you don't even notice and the weight is irrelevant given the power.
A supercar is about the event the rest is all bar talk!
But I accept that it's just another opinion (all be it a well qualified opinion).
You clearly love driving it and I guess that is all that matters for the lucky few owners.
Blokes will always try and argue for a definitive "which is best" but ultimately any all encompassing criteria is flawed.
If somebody values the exterior styling or the interior or the sound of the engine over anything else then who is to say they are wrong?
I loved my old Lotus Elan. By most objective measures it was a terrible car - flaky build quality, unreliable engine, leaky in the wet.
But...on the right road in the right conditions, it was the best car I've ever owned.
RepeatOffender said:
steveb8189 said:
RepeatOffender said:
Poor article.
Daft commentLet me explain to you how these forums work as you seem to be new.
You can of course post your opinion, which you are perfectly entitled to. But unless you put some additional colour as to why you have that opinion then you're adding zero value to the forum. If you were Ross Brawn commenting on an F1 article and you said "its s
t" then we'd be interested because we know who Ross Brawn is and therefore we can put his comment in context and it would have some credibility. Nobody knows who you are (and nobody cares). So please tell us why you think its a "poor article" (I might even agree with you)?
I have never driven an Aventador, but I have driven 3 Murcielago E-Gears, and many other single clutch cars, original Vanquish, 575, 355F1, 360, 360CS, F430, 599, Gallardo. I really liked all of them. You just need to be smooth, and never, ever, use the auto mode. The auto mode only exists as a marketing tool for certain markets, and as a default setting on some of these cars to make the official mpg lower in the car's standard mode. Older manual cars take a while to warm up, famously 2nd gear on Ferraris. Similarly, as single clutch gearboxes are a manual gearbox with no clutch pedal, it needs to warm up, just like a manual gearbox. The Aventador is, at its core, a manual car, but without a stick and third pedal. I am pretty certain I would love this car, if its predecessors are anything to judge it by. The only place a single clutch automated manual struggles is a steep hill start with some lock on, this becomes easier with practice too.
chelme said:
I could forgive it for the single clutch transmission. I could not forgive it for the total lack of steering feel.
The answer is simple: Buy a Ferrari Tdf or Superfast -just as special an engine, yet far more engaging, usable and fun to drive.
Hmm you've obviously not tried to purchase either of the above!The answer is simple: Buy a Ferrari Tdf or Superfast -just as special an engine, yet far more engaging, usable and fun to drive.
And in my opinion no more fun to drive!
RobDown said:
RepeatOffender said:
steveb8189 said:
RepeatOffender said:
Poor article.
Daft commentLet me explain to you how these forums work as you seem to be new.
You can of course post your opinion, which you are perfectly entitled to. But unless you put some additional colour as to why you have that opinion then you're adding zero value to the forum. If you were Ross Brawn commenting on an F1 article and you said "its s
t" then we'd be interested because we know who Ross Brawn is and therefore we can put his comment in context and it would have some credibility. Nobody knows who you are (and nobody cares). So please tell us why you think its a "poor article" (I might even agree with you)?
I didn't mention it because I was conscious that a new member name dropping an expensive vehicle could come across as crass in the extreme.
Many owners find the non dual clutch Lamborghini gearboxes even add to the experience.
Here's an example for you:-
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Unfortunately I haven't found the articles on here, to be of the same standard as those in my usual printed motoring media. Early days yet though.
Onehp said:
kambites said:
chelme said:
I could not forgive it for the total lack of steering feel.
Welcome to every car produced in the last ten years. Must be the 4wd in the Aventador that hits the lack of steering feel, my 911 Turbo had the same problem yet know one seems to slate the turbo for this.
As for the gear box, how many people who are slating it have driven an E-Gear? In corsa and even sport mode it's great fun and just as engaging as a manual.
I don't get the some of criticisms chucked at the Aventador, its a big pile of fun with a V12 rather than some scalpel with turbos bolted to it.
As for the gear box, how many people who are slating it have driven an E-Gear? In corsa and even sport mode it's great fun and just as engaging as a manual.
I don't get the some of criticisms chucked at the Aventador, its a big pile of fun with a V12 rather than some scalpel with turbos bolted to it.
Onehp said:
kambites said:
chelme said:
I could not forgive it for the total lack of steering feel.
Welcome to every car produced in the last ten years. As much as I hate numb steering, I don't think it's really fair to explicitly criticise any one modern car for it.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 26th September 10:36
chelme said:
I could forgive it for the single clutch transmission. I could not forgive it for the total lack of steering feel.
The answer is simple: Buy a Ferrari Tdf or Superfast -just as special an engine, yet far more engaging, usable and fun to drive.
If the reports are to believed the TDF is a massive accident just waiting to happen. I have not read single report that heaps praise on the chassisThe answer is simple: Buy a Ferrari Tdf or Superfast -just as special an engine, yet far more engaging, usable and fun to drive.
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