RE: Lamborghini Aventador S: Review

[Onehp]

kambites said:

I haven't driven one, but from what I've read they're only "right" in that they're marginally better than the woeful competition. That's certainly been my experience with modern Porsches which get praise for the feel of their EPAS systems - they're crap, just slightly less crap than most other EPAS equipped cars.

As much as I hate numb steering, I don't think it's really fair to explicitly criticise any one modern car for it.

McLaren still uses (electro-)hydraulic steering, and get no faint praise from our favourite PH testers. While the Aventador is said to be completely devoid of feel. Haven't driven either, I have no use for any supercar (and thus won't even try to pay for one)....

[kambites]

Onehp said:

McLaren still uses (electro-)hydraulic steering, and get no faint praise from our favourite PH testers. While the Aventador is said to be completely devoid of feel. Haven't driven either, I have no use for any supercar (and thus won't even try to pay for one)....

I didn't mean to imply that the Mclaren had EPAS (although I didn't know it didn't). Was just pointing out that the bar for people praising the steering feel of modern cars is very, very low.

[skippy68]

It wont matter that the gearbox is crap
Most who buy one won't drive it hard enough to find or realise it's limitations.
It's another stunning a "look at me" toy to be added to the supercar collection.

[sone]

skippy68 said:

It wont matter that the gearbox is crap
Most who buy one won't drive it hard enough to find or realise it's limitations.
It's another stunning a "look at me" toy to be added to the supercar collection.

I wouldn't say the gearbox is crap but it isn't the best that is true. What is also true is that the Aventador S is now a worthy track day weapon, according to many journos that it wasn't before.
I defy anyone to use a super car on the road to anywhere near its limits so if you can't go quick you need to at least look good while tooling around and that is where the Lambo wins over most marques by some margin.

[Onehp]

kambites said:

I didn't mean to imply that the Mclaren had EPAS (although I didn't know it didn't). Was just pointing out that the bar for people praising the steering feel of modern cars is very, very low.

Yes, you need to use a bullst filter and realise what system is used and what they compare with. The steering wheel twirling in your hands is quite a good indicator that there is real feel...
That said, steering feel of old is also overrated at times, yes you could feel more trough to wheel - mostly how crap the roadholding was in most older cars compared to modern ones...

[Yipper]

Maldini35 said:

Yipper said:

Lambo seem to be building up to the big event and swan song, which will be the Aventador S Performante and a new Ring lap record in 2018.

Keep in mind the Aventador SV is already faster round the Ring than every single Ferrari and McLaren ever made. Lambo can make a good Aventador when it wants to.

When they want to!

So the people who pay £300,000 for an Aventador S aren't worth making the effort for?

And your Ring 'fact' is incorrect - a McLaren P1 went a whopping 16 seconds faster a few months ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4UD2N0EAdo

Lambo have a habit of improving their ranges in steps. For example, the Huracan was good, while the next-gen Huracan Performante is on a whole different level. Suspect Lambo will make a good Aventador S and then smash it out the ballpark with the final-version Aventador Performante.

The McLaren P1 LM (in the link above) was basically a modified, limited-edition racecar. The P1 roadcar was ~2secs slower round the Ring than the Aventador SV roadcar.

[RobDown]

RepeatOffender said:

RobDown said:

RepeatOffender said:

steveb8189 said:

RepeatOffender said:

Poor article.

Daft comment

No. It's an opinion.

No Steve got it right the first time

Let me explain to you how these forums work as you seem to be new.

You can of course post your opinion, which you are perfectly entitled to. But unless you put some additional colour as to why you have that opinion then you're adding zero value to the forum. If you were Ross Brawn commenting on an F1 article and you said "its st" then we'd be interested because we know who Ross Brawn is and therefore we can put his comment in context and it would have some credibility.

Nobody knows who you are (and nobody cares). So please tell us why you think its a "poor article" (I might even agree with you)?

Because I'm an owner with far more experience of this gearbox than the author.

I didn't mention it because I was conscious that a new member name dropping an expensive vehicle could come across as crass in the extreme.

Many owners find the non dual clutch Lamborghini gearboxes even add to the experience.

Here's an example for you:-

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Unfortunately I haven't found the articles on here, to be of the same standard as those in my usual printed motoring media. Early days yet though.

Thanks. That chimes with what I've heard elsewhere (the Aston Martin Sportshift III transmission) - it takes some getting used to, but once you begin to treat it as an automated manual and not an automatic its a great 'box

[WCZ]

Maldini35 said:

When they want to!

So the people who pay £300,000 for an Aventador S aren't worth making the effort for?

And your Ring 'fact' is incorrect - a McLaren P1 went a whopping 16 seconds faster a few months ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4UD2N0EAdo



comparing the p1 gtr lm to it is stupid imo, it's a tuner special and it's like £2m

[WCZ]

Streetrod said:

If the reports are to believed the TDF is a massive accident just waiting to happen. I have not read single report that heaps praise on the chassis

the tdf isn't a nice car to drive imo

[HighwayStar]

Yipper said:

Maldini35 said:

Yipper said:

Lambo seem to be building up to the big event and swan song, which will be the Aventador S Performante and a new Ring lap record in 2018.

Keep in mind the Aventador SV is already faster round the Ring than every single Ferrari and McLaren ever made. Lambo can make a good Aventador when it wants to.

When they want to!

So the people who pay £300,000 for an Aventador S aren't worth making the effort for?

And your Ring 'fact' is incorrect - a McLaren P1 went a whopping 16 seconds faster a few months ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4UD2N0EAdo

Lambo have a habit of improving their ranges in steps. For example, the Huracan was good, while the next-gen Huracan Performante is on a whole different level. Suspect Lambo will make a good Aventador S and then smash it out the ballpark with the final-version Aventador Performante.

The McLaren P1 LM (in the link above) was basically a modified, limited-edition racecar. The P1 roadcar was ~2secs slower round the Ring than the Aventador SV roadcar.

And how many actually care about those 2 seconds... It wouldn't figure in my high on my list of priorities for the purchase of something like that. If the car of choice happened to be 2secs faster that something else round the Ring or faster it wouldn't be why I bought it.
Does it really matter to any of you guys? Well apart from Yipper

[Davey S2]

WCZ said:

Streetrod said:

If the reports are to believed the TDF is a massive accident just waiting to happen. I have not read single report that heaps praise on the chassis

the tdf isn't a nice car to drive imo

812 Superfast is supposed to be far superior to drive then the TDF

[Joeguard1990]

I have huge amounts of respect for this car and engine and love seeing/hearing them in person.

However if I had the choice of any Lambo I think I'd go for the Huracan Performante, just because of it's more usable size on public roads.

[F40LM]

I was also at the launch event in Valencia (I had the dry day) and I have to disagree with your comments, the facelift is as adventurous as any 911 facelift but dynamically the car is a different beast, even a hamfisted mutt like myself could turn in early, hit the apex and get back on the power whilst sending the rear sideways (I was gobsmacked how playfull this fearsome supercars was). Yes the gearbox is still feeling dated but the whole car feels like it's from the previous supercar era and to me the gearbox is as aggressive as the styling, sound and power delivery, it all adds to the supercar experience.

To those that commented on how it should have a proper manual box...........having driven an early Murcielago the gearbox was dreadful and years behind the then new Ferrari 360/550. The LP640 with e-gear was a much better sorted car.

[WCZ]

Davey S2 said:

812 Superfast is supposed to be far superior to drive then the TDF

not driven one yet but wouldn't be surprised

[LukeyC]

jeremyc said:

If only they'd fit one of these again ...

Can anyone please tell me what are the buttons in front (from a picture perspective) of the gear lever do? (up, down, auto 4,3,2,1 lights etc).

Intrigued.

[VladD]

LukeyC said:

jeremyc said:

If only they'd fit one of these again ...

Can anyone please tell me what are the buttons in front (from a picture perspective) of the gear lever do? (up, down, auto 4,3,2,1 lights etc).

Intrigued.

A quick Google suggests they are the ride height adjustments buttons.

[jeremyc]

LukeyC said:

Can anyone please tell me what are the buttons in front (from a picture perspective) of the gear lever do? (up, down, auto 4,3,2,1 lights etc).

Intrigued.

Suspension stiffness: manual control from 1 (softest) to 4 (hardest) or auto button to allow car to change at it's whim. Many owners report not noticing any difference between the settings, and 'Auto' apparently simply keeping it on setting 3. The lights are to indicate errors in the suspension system (again many report them flashing occasionally and randomly).