RE: Porsche 911 GT2 RS: 6:47.3
Discussion
Olivera said:
Putting a current GT3 car minus restrictors around the Nordschleife would probably beat Bellof's record, never mind an LMP1 or DTM car which would be faster still.
Combined lap record is 8:10 in a Mclaren GT3 so not a million miles away maybe, what do they run the GP track at, 1:55 odd? Leaves 6:15.......Almost too easy!
browngt3 said:
Fantastic driving, fantastic car, wow indeed! The way these lap times are tumbling I wonder if Stefan Bellof's outright record will be broken afterall. If so, hope it's Porsche that do it
I don't think so...Soon, very soon, the Aston Martin Valkyrie will come, and beat Bellof's time on road tires(I think that todays road legal performance tires are faster than racing slicks of the 80's)! If there is a lunatic around who is willing to drive that lap!
TIGA84 said:
I think we're a little way of Bellof yet, 36 seconds in a long, long time. He was only halfway round Galgenkopf at 6:11!
Be interesting to see what it would have done on slicks though, if this wasn't on almost slicks anyway.
Apples and oranges though, Road Car vs Group C Racer in Qualifying trim.
Deeply impressive though. I'm fairly sure if they wanted to break the record then chucking this years LM car round would probably get pretty close, but everyone seems to want the Road Car record for some reason.
Agree with your observations. It's incredible how far road cars have come though. It's not so long ago the fastest Road cars were breaking the 8 minute barrier. Now we're well under 7 minutes so who knows... Be interesting to see what it would have done on slicks though, if this wasn't on almost slicks anyway.
Apples and oranges though, Road Car vs Group C Racer in Qualifying trim.
Deeply impressive though. I'm fairly sure if they wanted to break the record then chucking this years LM car round would probably get pretty close, but everyone seems to want the Road Car record for some reason.
I think that is the first time I have watched a video of the ring and started to get
scared !
Don’t get me wrong I love cars , I love speed but this is getting a bit bloody stupid and
is going to end in tears . One mistake at these speeds and I cannot see anyone walking
away from a massive off !
Congrats to Porsche but maybe they should start setting lap times somewhere else
with large run offs , such as a modern gp circuit.
scared !
Don’t get me wrong I love cars , I love speed but this is getting a bit bloody stupid and
is going to end in tears . One mistake at these speeds and I cannot see anyone walking
away from a massive off !
Congrats to Porsche but maybe they should start setting lap times somewhere else
with large run offs , such as a modern gp circuit.
Turning into Antoniusbuche at over 300kph is staggering. I don't even have the skills/courage to do that on the xbox! Amazing lap
This being the internet I am a little disappointed that no-one has posted their deconstruction of where Porsche sped up the footage. If anything makes 'Ring times obsolete it will be that suspicion renders them inherently untrustworthy.
I'm not saying I don't believe the footage, just surprised no-one else has questioned it.
This being the internet I am a little disappointed that no-one has posted their deconstruction of where Porsche sped up the footage. If anything makes 'Ring times obsolete it will be that suspicion renders them inherently untrustworthy.
I'm not saying I don't believe the footage, just surprised no-one else has questioned it.
Fetthobler said:
I don't think so...
Soon, very soon, the Aston Martin Valkyrie will come, and beat Bellof's time on road tires(I think that todays road legal performance tires are faster than racing slicks of the 80's)! If there is a lunatic around who is willing to drive that lap!
Yes either the Valkyrie or the AMG will get close but will they do it? Not sure. If they do then odds on the 918 replacement will be faster again!Soon, very soon, the Aston Martin Valkyrie will come, and beat Bellof's time on road tires(I think that todays road legal performance tires are faster than racing slicks of the 80's)! If there is a lunatic around who is willing to drive that lap!
havoc said:
5th gear was very impressive...hell, it still pulled hard in 6th...so much so I was wondering why it ran out of steam at ~306km/h...
I've only watched a couple of minutes of the video so far, but what I find interesting is how rock solid stable the car seems, it is a very powerful rear wheel drive car that hardly ever needs any opposite lock. It clashes fairly dramatically with the idea that a GT2 RS must be a "Widowmaker". It looks like a complete pussycat.
By the way Porsche
By the way Porsche
JohnGoodridge said:
Turning into Antoniusbuche at over 300kph is staggering. I don't even have the skills/courage to do that on the xbox! Amazing lap
This being the internet I am a little disappointed that no-one has posted their deconstruction of where Porsche sped up the footage. If anything makes 'Ring times obsolete it will be that suspicion renders them inherently untrustworthy.
I'm not saying I don't believe the footage, just surprised no-one else has questioned it.
I would say if shenanigans is a play, it could be tyres. Also I can't help but wonder if these record running cars have their boost wound up just a smidge as well. This being the internet I am a little disappointed that no-one has posted their deconstruction of where Porsche sped up the footage. If anything makes 'Ring times obsolete it will be that suspicion renders them inherently untrustworthy.
I'm not saying I don't believe the footage, just surprised no-one else has questioned it.
JohnGoodridge said:
Turning into Antoniusbuche at over 300kph is staggering. I don't even have the skills/courage to do that on the xbox! Amazing lap
This being the internet I am a little disappointed that no-one has posted their deconstruction of where Porsche sped up the footage. If anything makes 'Ring times obsolete it will be that suspicion renders them inherently untrustworthy.
I'm not saying I don't believe the footage, just surprised no-one else has questioned it.
I've taken that corner at just over 280 a few times, in a tank of a thing, with massive lift. 300+ is no big deal in a sorted car with some downforce.This being the internet I am a little disappointed that no-one has posted their deconstruction of where Porsche sped up the footage. If anything makes 'Ring times obsolete it will be that suspicion renders them inherently untrustworthy.
I'm not saying I don't believe the footage, just surprised no-one else has questioned it.
CrisW said:
Given that the time was set by Porsche who will be the one to question the validity of the time?
I'd fully expect questions about the use of 'racing' tyres or raised boost levels to be present after any claimed 'ring time. However, as Porsche are claiming the time where does that leave us?
Should Lamborghini/Audi register an 'official' complaint that there is no chance that this could be possible without some 'cheating'. Given that they are part of the same group I guess that rules them out.
Maybe Renault or Honda could provide some 'proof' by showing that an RS/Type-R driven backwards (which is basically a GT2) will get no-where near the time.
"Given that the time was set by Porsche who will be the one to question the validity of the time?"I'd fully expect questions about the use of 'racing' tyres or raised boost levels to be present after any claimed 'ring time. However, as Porsche are claiming the time where does that leave us?
Should Lamborghini/Audi register an 'official' complaint that there is no chance that this could be possible without some 'cheating'. Given that they are part of the same group I guess that rules them out.
Maybe Renault or Honda could provide some 'proof' by showing that an RS/Type-R driven backwards (which is basically a GT2) will get no-where near the time.
Me.
The car is none standard, check out the drivers seat, not the normal option you can buy for the car. Therefore not only did it hold him in place better but gave him a better sense of security over a standard seat. How many seconds is that worth at these crazy speeds? And if they did that just for the seat what else did they do over and above one you can ( or cannot ? ) buy from the showroom? None standard car even forgetting tyre choice etc.
Having said this is a non production car and should be discounted I thought it was a very tidy lap. Things of note
1. They did it late in the day when cooler, so presumably the turbo's were shifting cooler air.
2. No racing gloves ... excellent ! Did he wipe them on his trousers during the lap like Ayrton did in the NSX???? If not then this driver has balls that are big and below freezing point, excellent driving !
3. Only 193 on the straight, what happened to the 208mph Mark Webber is supposed to have got? That's a big difference. More downforce for this car? See my comment about how standard we can assume this car to be... we cannot. It did look really planted, far more so than the Lambo's.....
I've got a spare tinfoil hat on ebay at the moment by the way ! I do love these videos but after diesel gate you do wonder how much the marketing folk get in the way of things. This for a car we cannot even buy unless you are one of the few today and the collectors tomorrow. Which is perhaps even more insane.
I wonder what time a Turbo S with £50k of mods by Manthey could do?
Edited by Gandahar on Wednesday 27th September 14:33
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