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Little Pete said:
I take it he didn’t buy it.
He did one of the lucky 5 people all getting a great deal on Saturday from us 
, without the insurance or the tank of fuel. 
Hes been on the phone kicking off this morning that he rang the DVLA and they have said the cars not registered to him yet. No s
t you bought it Saturday.Stupid question as first time I've looked at buying a new car, what happens with private plates? Do we just provide them for the dealer to fit and sort all the registration stuff? (Do we then get the "old" plates loose?).
And how knobbish is it for us to ask not to use screws to attach the plates but use sticky backs (Even if we provide them?)? Will they drive self tapers into the bumper anyway for poops and giggles?
Also, tow bars are generally dealer fit options aren't they?
And how knobbish is it for us to ask not to use screws to attach the plates but use sticky backs (Even if we provide them?)? Will they drive self tapers into the bumper anyway for poops and giggles?
Also, tow bars are generally dealer fit options aren't they?
Lazadude said:
Stupid question as first time I've looked at buying a new car, what happens with private plates? Do we just provide them for the dealer to fit and sort all the registration stuff? (Do we then get the "old" plates loose?).
And how knobbish is it for us to ask not to use screws to attach the plates but use sticky backs (Even if we provide them?)? Will they drive self tapers into the bumper anyway for poops and giggles?
Also, tow bars are generally dealer fit options aren't they?
Last couple of new cars I bought, I just had them registered with my private plate. Just gave the dealer the retention certificate and they took care of it.And how knobbish is it for us to ask not to use screws to attach the plates but use sticky backs (Even if we provide them?)? Will they drive self tapers into the bumper anyway for poops and giggles?
Also, tow bars are generally dealer fit options aren't they?
Lazadude said:
Stupid question as first time I've looked at buying a new car, what happens with private plates? Do we just provide them for the dealer to fit and sort all the registration stuff? (Do we then get the "old" plates loose?).
And how knobbish is it for us to ask not to use screws to attach the plates but use sticky backs (Even if we provide them?)? Will they drive self tapers into the bumper anyway for poops and giggles?
Also, tow bars are generally dealer fit options aren't they?
As a new vehicle, it doesn't have an "old" number, it just gets registered new on your number, having provided them the Retention Certificate (for retained private plates) or Certificate of Entitlement (for previously unissued plates).And how knobbish is it for us to ask not to use screws to attach the plates but use sticky backs (Even if we provide them?)? Will they drive self tapers into the bumper anyway for poops and giggles?
Also, tow bars are generally dealer fit options aren't they?
Few places still screw plates on - they're dearer than sticky pads. Ask them if it matters. Some cars like Mercs already have threaded holes in bumpers/tailgates for plates so you're not making any holes that weren't already there. Mildly knobbish.
4941cc said:
[Few places still screw plates on - they're dearer than sticky pads.
We have to rivet them on; on new cars, problem with that is, in the tailgate you sometimes get a bit of rivet rattling about so the trim has to be removed and someone has to spend an age trying to get it out.
4941cc said:
Some cars like Mercs already have threaded holes in bumpers/tailgates for plates so you're not making any holes that weren't already there. Mildly knobbish.
Daughter's Ateca has holes in the tailgate - dealer managed to fit the plate wonky, scored a line right across the back of the plate, breaking every letter (so the plate is technically illegal) then missed the line drilling the holes. Then crushed the plate on tightening the screws. They still looked at me like I was a knob when I pointed it out.
Speed addicted said:
As a customer I'll only go and see cars that are definitely in my price range and have the right spec. I go in prepared to pay somewhere quite near asking price. I'll want something to sweeten the deal (some money off/service/whatever) just to make me feel better but I think I've got realistic expectations as to how much is usually available.
The thing I really don't like is the dance where the salesperson has to go and talk to the sales manager etc to keep the salesperson on my side against the unseen manager, and I explained this to the last place I bought a car from. Go do what you need to do, I just need a definite number and I'll make a decision.
I certainly wouldn't travel, then attempt to get 10% off the cost of a car, then walk. I'd check if the price was about right in the first place and if I thought it was too high (rightly or wrongly) I'd just buy a cheaper one!
I think too many people watch things like Gas monkey or wheeler dealers and expect massive discount just by starting stupidly low. It's a waste of everyone's time.
Totally agree...but that appears to involve too much common sense for some people. I filter cars by budget and only enquire about those in it.The thing I really don't like is the dance where the salesperson has to go and talk to the sales manager etc to keep the salesperson on my side against the unseen manager, and I explained this to the last place I bought a car from. Go do what you need to do, I just need a definite number and I'll make a decision.
I certainly wouldn't travel, then attempt to get 10% off the cost of a car, then walk. I'd check if the price was about right in the first place and if I thought it was too high (rightly or wrongly) I'd just buy a cheaper one!
I think too many people watch things like Gas monkey or wheeler dealers and expect massive discount just by starting stupidly low. It's a waste of everyone's time.
BFleming said:
Lazadude said:
Also, tow bars are generally dealer fit options aren't they?
A lot of manufacturers allow you to select a towbar from the options list. But in general even dealers get a towbar specialist in to fit towbars, do the wiring etc.Sheepshanks said:
4941cc said:
Some cars like Mercs already have threaded holes in bumpers/tailgates for plates so you're not making any holes that weren't already there. Mildly knobbish.
Daughter's Ateca has holes in the tailgate - dealer managed to fit the plate wonky, scored a line right across the back of the plate, breaking every letter (so the plate is technically illegal) then missed the line drilling the holes. Then crushed the plate on tightening the screws. They still looked at me like I was a knob when I pointed it out.
Despite my then new Volvo V50 having purpose made mounting points for a rear no plate Parks Volvo In Ayr thought it better to drill direct into the tailgate. Wind forward 6 years when rust started appearing from below the number plate and I found out.
Guess what Volvo (understandably) would not entertain a warranty claim due to Park's negligence.
Just one tale from a catalogue of how crap that dealer was and possibly still is.
I will never go back to find out.
Guess what Volvo (understandably) would not entertain a warranty claim due to Park's negligence.
Just one tale from a catalogue of how crap that dealer was and possibly still is.
I will never go back to find out.
4941cc said:
Factory ones usually come with upgraded engine and gearbox oil coolers, are fully integrated with the electronic safety and stability systems and self-levelling rear suspension etc. whereas aftermarket ones are just bolted to chassis hard points and a power feed taken off - hence why they're usually half the price or considerably less.
Only ever dealt with them as a dealer/aftermarket supply and fit on UK cars.The US stuff, as in US domestic market only, could be ordered with a towing pack but never anything designed for the UK market.
Roo said:
4941cc said:
Factory ones usually come with upgraded engine and gearbox oil coolers, are fully integrated with the electronic safety and stability systems and self-levelling rear suspension etc. whereas aftermarket ones are just bolted to chassis hard points and a power feed taken off - hence why they're usually half the price or considerably less.
Only ever dealt with them as a dealer/aftermarket supply and fit on UK cars.The US stuff, as in US domestic market only, could be ordered with a towing pack but never anything designed for the UK market.
When I bought my X6 I enquired about a tow bar, it was somewhere around £2k as it needed transmission oil coolers and other things to be fitted as well. I bough a cheap van instead.
I hope they haven't cottoned onto this just now.
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