Ask a car salesman anything...anything at all.

Ask a car salesman anything...anything at all.

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talksthetorque

10,815 posts

136 months

Saturday 2nd November 2019
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silentbrown said:
4941cc said:
Butter Face said:
You have to pay an extra £320 a year if you have a car or motorhome with a ‘list price’ (the published price before any discounts) of more than £40,000.
Not on any motorhomes I've sold in the last two years, they're either £260 (PLG rate) if under 3,500kg or £165 if over (PHGV).
I think it depends if the type approval certificate shows a CO2 figure, (which seems to now be compulsory).

You must occasionally get people ordering their £39,995 car with a £100 factory option?
I get the feeling that "Dealer Fit Accesory" may be an easy way to avoid crashing over the line.....

silentbrown

8,846 posts

117 months

Saturday 2nd November 2019
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talksthetorque said:
I get the feeling that "Dealer Fit Accesory" may be an easy way to avoid crashing over the line.....
Yeah. But I'd probably rather pay the tax than try "Dealer-Fit" metallic paint... smile

4941cc

25,867 posts

207 months

Sunday 3rd November 2019
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talksthetorque said:
silentbrown said:
4941cc said:
Butter Face said:
You have to pay an extra £320 a year if you have a car or motorhome with a ‘list price’ (the published price before any discounts) of more than £40,000.
Not on any motorhomes I've sold in the last two years, they're either £260 (PLG rate) if under 3,500kg or £165 if over (PHGV).
I think it depends if the type approval certificate shows a CO2 figure, (which seems to now be compulsory).

You must occasionally get people ordering their £39,995 car with a £100 factory option?
I get the feeling that "Dealer Fit Accesory" may be an easy way to avoid crashing over the line.....
They thought of that and DFAs from new count for P11D and other taxable benefits in this way. Think they had to be fitted after 90 days...

silentbrown

8,846 posts

117 months

Sunday 3rd November 2019
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4941cc said:
They thought of that and DFAs from new count for P11D and other taxable benefits in this way. Think they had to be fitted after 90 days...
Maybe for P11Ds, but pretty sure they're still excluded for the £40K VED band?.

Wooda80

1,743 posts

76 months

Sunday 3rd November 2019
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silentbrown said:
Maybe for P11Ds, but pretty sure they're still excluded for the £40K VED band?.
The under / over £40k declaration is made by the manufacturer so it's beyond any manipulation by the dealer. Sure there might be some bolt on stuff that you would have as DFA rather than factory if you were doing a factory order, but once it's built and declared that's it.

lord trumpton

7,406 posts

127 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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Sometimes I see car dealers also selling the odd numberplate or two. I assume they have taken them off a car they have bought/px'ed in.

How do they get these plates on retention? DO they have to first register the car in their name?

This would add another short term owner and not look good for a resale?

mylesmcd

2,535 posts

220 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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lord trumpton said:
Sometimes I see car dealers also selling the odd numberplate or two. I assume they have taken them off a car they have bought/px'ed in.

How do they get these plates on retention? DO they have to first register the car in their name?

This would add another short term owner and not look good for a resale?
think in the UK you can buy them on retention, so an exempt status, same as a vehicle.

Butter Face

30,328 posts

161 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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lord trumpton said:
Sometimes I see car dealers also selling the odd numberplate or two. I assume they have taken them off a car they have bought/px'ed in.

How do they get these plates on retention? DO they have to first register the car in their name?

This would add another short term owner and not look good for a resale?
Yes the car has to be registered in the dealers name first, the short ownership is mostly a bit of a non issue as the vast majority of people don’t want a ‘new’ (to them) car with someone else’s private plate on it, so we have to take the plates off anyway if they’re not wanted by the person trading it in.

You could retain it before you take it in, but then you rely on the person reading the car in to bring a V5 in at a later date, which is, er, a struggle sometimes!!

JimmyConwayNW

3,065 posts

126 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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lord trumpton said:
Sometimes I see car dealers also selling the odd numberplate or two. I assume they have taken them off a car they have bought/px'ed in.

How do they get these plates on retention? DO they have to first register the car in their name?

This would add another short term owner and not look good for a resale?
Number of owners rarely makes any difference, everyone buys on condition anyway.
I've done this with a couple of plates thinking they would sell, never really had any luck with it mind.

I actually tend to hate 1 owner cars that have been owned for say 6 years and never prepped, scuffed alloys never seen a deep valet etc whereas at least if its had 2 or 3 owners its been through the retail cycle and prepped a couple of times.

CRA1G

6,542 posts

196 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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I know of dealers that just do a change of address and when returned to them put the number on retention online,certificate comes back to them and then they can add a nominee when they sell it,and no additional owner added to the V5...

Roo

11,503 posts

208 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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CRA1G said:
I know of dealers that just do a change of address and when returned to them put the number on retention online,certificate comes back to them and then they can add a nominee when they sell it,and no additional owner added to the V5...
Did that when I sold my sister in law a new car that had to be dealer registered to get all the bonus money.

V5 back to us at our name and address.
Send it off for a change of name.
Get it back and send it off for a change of address.
Car registered in her name at her address as a one registered keeper vehicle.

93DW

1,296 posts

104 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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Butter Face said:
The vast majority of people don’t want a ‘new’ (to them) car with someone else’s private plate on it, so we have to take the plates off anyway if they’re not wanted by the person trading it in.
How interesting, I've always found a private plate already on the car usually sweetens the deal. The last one I did the lady was over the moon as she assumed it was coming off.

I've got 2 dateless 3x3 private plates which I've taken off PX's, neither mean anything to me but were good freebies!

Butter Face

30,328 posts

161 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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93DW said:
Butter Face said:
The vast majority of people don’t want a ‘new’ (to them) car with someone else’s private plate on it, so we have to take the plates off anyway if they’re not wanted by the person trading it in.
How interesting, I've always found a private plate already on the car usually sweetens the deal. The last one I did the lady was over the moon as she assumed it was coming off.

I've got 2 dateless 3x3 private plates which I've taken off PX's, neither mean anything to me but were good freebies!
Therein lies the issue, most plates don't mean anything to other people. People have initials, dates blah blah but people don't see any value in them.

Most of them we stick on retention and forget about, they just end up back in the hands of the DVLA. I think I've only ever seen one that I thought was worth having and my boss kept that and never used it hehe

Fast Bug

11,707 posts

162 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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My car came with a private plate which the chap told me was worth £1000. Funnily enough he wouldn't take it off and knock a grand off the price laugh

HTP99

22,578 posts

141 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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Had a young girl in today looking at a used MINI Cabriolet with my colleague, I knew straightaway it was going to be difficult as the dad was doing the whole alpha male thing of looking under the bonnet, looking down the sides etc in that way they try to give off they know what they are doing, but actually don't.

Anyway according to the dad he reckoned it had been in an accident.....why....because it was in such good condition; WTF, in my 16 odd years of selling I have never actually heard that one!!

They have others to look at however they said they would "consider it at £10495" it's up for £11995, it is the cheapest out there!!!

Countdown

39,954 posts

197 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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HTP99 said:
Had a young girl in today looking at a used MINI Cabriolet with my colleague, I knew straightaway it was going to be difficult as the dad was doing the whole alpha male thing of looking under the bonnet, looking down the sides etc in that way they try to give off they know what they are doing, but actually don't.

Anyway according to the dad he reckoned it had been in an accident.....why....because it was in such good condition; WTF, in my 16 odd years of selling I have never actually heard that one!!

They have others to look at however they said they would "consider it at £10495" it's up for £11995, it is the cheapest out there!!!
I have to admit that I open the bonnet, look down the sides etc. Just because a car is very new it doesn't mean that it hasn't been dinged or had significant accident damage repaired. Why is that an "alpha male" thing?

Wooda80

1,743 posts

76 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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Countdown said:
I have to admit that I open the bonnet, look down the sides etc. Just because a car is very new it doesn't mean that it hasn't been dinged or had significant accident damage repaired. Why is that an "alpha male" thing?
I know exactly what HTP means.

It's not the opening the bonnet and looking down the sides in itself, that's perfectly reasonable. It's the way in which they do it, the body language. Sometimes it stems from a deliberate attempt to look assertive ( a bit like dominating the stairs, maybe ), other times it looks like they do it because they've seen other people do it but they're not sure why.

Plate spinner

17,714 posts

201 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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Does physically kicking the tyres still mark you out as a bit of a pro-buyer who knows his onions and shouldn’t be messed with?

HTP99

22,578 posts

141 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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Wooda80 said:
Countdown said:
I have to admit that I open the bonnet, look down the sides etc. Just because a car is very new it doesn't mean that it hasn't been dinged or had significant accident damage repaired. Why is that an "alpha male" thing?
I know exactly what HTP means.

It's not the opening the bonnet and looking down the sides in itself, that's perfectly reasonable. It's the way in which they do it, the body language. Sometimes it stems from a deliberate attempt to look assertive ( a bit like dominating the stairs, maybe ), other times it looks like they do it because they've seen other people do it but they're not sure why.
Yep it's the attitude, the way that they carry themselves in particular, I have done this job long enough to spot someone who wants to come over all alpha, this guy screamed it just by his body language; he was over the road "doing his checks" I said to my colleague who had left him to it, "good luck with that one, he screams nob".

Guess what he was a nob as a) he had come to see a car that one would assume was the correct price because he was here and yet he wanted £1500 off and b) he made the utterly ridiculous statement of it being in an accident as it was in such a good condition.

Buster73

5,064 posts

154 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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HTP99 said:
Yep it's the attitude, the way that they carry themselves in particular, I have done this job long enough to spot someone who wants to come over all alpha, this guy screamed it just by his body language; he was over the road "doing his checks" I said to my colleague who had left him to it, "good luck with that one, he screams nob".

Guess what he was a nob as a) he had come to see a car that one would assume was the correct price because he was here and yet he wanted £1500 off and b) he made the utterly ridiculous statement of it being in an accident as it was in such a good condition.
I’ve read this thread long enough to understand the minuscule margins generated by selling cars , but I completely understand an offer of just over 12% off your advertised price , in reality he’s probably hoping to get an unachievable 10% off.

How he goes about his haggling is a different matter.
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