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silentbrown said:
4941cc said:
Butter Face said:
You have to pay an extra £320 a year if you have a car or motorhome with a ‘list price’ (the published price before any discounts) of more than £40,000.
Not on any motorhomes I've sold in the last two years, they're either £260 (PLG rate) if under 3,500kg or £165 if over (PHGV). You must occasionally get people ordering their £39,995 car with a £100 factory option?
talksthetorque said:
silentbrown said:
4941cc said:
Butter Face said:
You have to pay an extra £320 a year if you have a car or motorhome with a ‘list price’ (the published price before any discounts) of more than £40,000.
Not on any motorhomes I've sold in the last two years, they're either £260 (PLG rate) if under 3,500kg or £165 if over (PHGV). You must occasionally get people ordering their £39,995 car with a £100 factory option?
silentbrown said:
Maybe for P11Ds, but pretty sure they're still excluded for the £40K VED band?.
The under / over £40k declaration is made by the manufacturer so it's beyond any manipulation by the dealer. Sure there might be some bolt on stuff that you would have as DFA rather than factory if you were doing a factory order, but once it's built and declared that's it.Sometimes I see car dealers also selling the odd numberplate or two. I assume they have taken them off a car they have bought/px'ed in.
How do they get these plates on retention? DO they have to first register the car in their name?
This would add another short term owner and not look good for a resale?
How do they get these plates on retention? DO they have to first register the car in their name?
This would add another short term owner and not look good for a resale?
lord trumpton said:
Sometimes I see car dealers also selling the odd numberplate or two. I assume they have taken them off a car they have bought/px'ed in.
How do they get these plates on retention? DO they have to first register the car in their name?
This would add another short term owner and not look good for a resale?
think in the UK you can buy them on retention, so an exempt status, same as a vehicle.How do they get these plates on retention? DO they have to first register the car in their name?
This would add another short term owner and not look good for a resale?
lord trumpton said:
Sometimes I see car dealers also selling the odd numberplate or two. I assume they have taken them off a car they have bought/px'ed in.
How do they get these plates on retention? DO they have to first register the car in their name?
This would add another short term owner and not look good for a resale?
Yes the car has to be registered in the dealers name first, the short ownership is mostly a bit of a non issue as the vast majority of people don’t want a ‘new’ (to them) car with someone else’s private plate on it, so we have to take the plates off anyway if they’re not wanted by the person trading it in.How do they get these plates on retention? DO they have to first register the car in their name?
This would add another short term owner and not look good for a resale?
You could retain it before you take it in, but then you rely on the person reading the car in to bring a V5 in at a later date, which is, er, a struggle sometimes!!
lord trumpton said:
Sometimes I see car dealers also selling the odd numberplate or two. I assume they have taken them off a car they have bought/px'ed in.
How do they get these plates on retention? DO they have to first register the car in their name?
This would add another short term owner and not look good for a resale?
Number of owners rarely makes any difference, everyone buys on condition anyway. How do they get these plates on retention? DO they have to first register the car in their name?
This would add another short term owner and not look good for a resale?
I've done this with a couple of plates thinking they would sell, never really had any luck with it mind.
I actually tend to hate 1 owner cars that have been owned for say 6 years and never prepped, scuffed alloys never seen a deep valet etc whereas at least if its had 2 or 3 owners its been through the retail cycle and prepped a couple of times.
CRA1G said:
I know of dealers that just do a change of address and when returned to them put the number on retention online,certificate comes back to them and then they can add a nominee when they sell it,and no additional owner added to the V5...
Did that when I sold my sister in law a new car that had to be dealer registered to get all the bonus money.V5 back to us at our name and address.
Send it off for a change of name.
Get it back and send it off for a change of address.
Car registered in her name at her address as a one registered keeper vehicle.
Butter Face said:
The vast majority of people don’t want a ‘new’ (to them) car with someone else’s private plate on it, so we have to take the plates off anyway if they’re not wanted by the person trading it in.
How interesting, I've always found a private plate already on the car usually sweetens the deal. The last one I did the lady was over the moon as she assumed it was coming off.I've got 2 dateless 3x3 private plates which I've taken off PX's, neither mean anything to me but were good freebies!
93DW said:
Butter Face said:
The vast majority of people don’t want a ‘new’ (to them) car with someone else’s private plate on it, so we have to take the plates off anyway if they’re not wanted by the person trading it in.
How interesting, I've always found a private plate already on the car usually sweetens the deal. The last one I did the lady was over the moon as she assumed it was coming off.I've got 2 dateless 3x3 private plates which I've taken off PX's, neither mean anything to me but were good freebies!
Most of them we stick on retention and forget about, they just end up back in the hands of the DVLA. I think I've only ever seen one that I thought was worth having and my boss kept that and never used it
Had a young girl in today looking at a used MINI Cabriolet with my colleague, I knew straightaway it was going to be difficult as the dad was doing the whole alpha male thing of looking under the bonnet, looking down the sides etc in that way they try to give off they know what they are doing, but actually don't.
Anyway according to the dad he reckoned it had been in an accident.....why....because it was in such good condition; WTF, in my 16 odd years of selling I have never actually heard that one!!
They have others to look at however they said they would "consider it at £10495" it's up for £11995, it is the cheapest out there!!!
Anyway according to the dad he reckoned it had been in an accident.....why....because it was in such good condition; WTF, in my 16 odd years of selling I have never actually heard that one!!
They have others to look at however they said they would "consider it at £10495" it's up for £11995, it is the cheapest out there!!!
HTP99 said:
Had a young girl in today looking at a used MINI Cabriolet with my colleague, I knew straightaway it was going to be difficult as the dad was doing the whole alpha male thing of looking under the bonnet, looking down the sides etc in that way they try to give off they know what they are doing, but actually don't.
Anyway according to the dad he reckoned it had been in an accident.....why....because it was in such good condition; WTF, in my 16 odd years of selling I have never actually heard that one!!
They have others to look at however they said they would "consider it at £10495" it's up for £11995, it is the cheapest out there!!!
I have to admit that I open the bonnet, look down the sides etc. Just because a car is very new it doesn't mean that it hasn't been dinged or had significant accident damage repaired. Why is that an "alpha male" thing?Anyway according to the dad he reckoned it had been in an accident.....why....because it was in such good condition; WTF, in my 16 odd years of selling I have never actually heard that one!!
They have others to look at however they said they would "consider it at £10495" it's up for £11995, it is the cheapest out there!!!
Countdown said:
I have to admit that I open the bonnet, look down the sides etc. Just because a car is very new it doesn't mean that it hasn't been dinged or had significant accident damage repaired. Why is that an "alpha male" thing?
I know exactly what HTP means. It's not the opening the bonnet and looking down the sides in itself, that's perfectly reasonable. It's the way in which they do it, the body language. Sometimes it stems from a deliberate attempt to look assertive ( a bit like dominating the stairs, maybe ), other times it looks like they do it because they've seen other people do it but they're not sure why.
Wooda80 said:
Countdown said:
I have to admit that I open the bonnet, look down the sides etc. Just because a car is very new it doesn't mean that it hasn't been dinged or had significant accident damage repaired. Why is that an "alpha male" thing?
I know exactly what HTP means. It's not the opening the bonnet and looking down the sides in itself, that's perfectly reasonable. It's the way in which they do it, the body language. Sometimes it stems from a deliberate attempt to look assertive ( a bit like dominating the stairs, maybe ), other times it looks like they do it because they've seen other people do it but they're not sure why.
Guess what he was a nob as a) he had come to see a car that one would assume was the correct price because he was here and yet he wanted £1500 off and b) he made the utterly ridiculous statement of it being in an accident as it was in such a good condition.
HTP99 said:
Yep it's the attitude, the way that they carry themselves in particular, I have done this job long enough to spot someone who wants to come over all alpha, this guy screamed it just by his body language; he was over the road "doing his checks" I said to my colleague who had left him to it, "good luck with that one, he screams nob".
Guess what he was a nob as a) he had come to see a car that one would assume was the correct price because he was here and yet he wanted £1500 off and b) he made the utterly ridiculous statement of it being in an accident as it was in such a good condition.
I’ve read this thread long enough to understand the minuscule margins generated by selling cars , but I completely understand an offer of just over 12% off your advertised price , in reality he’s probably hoping to get an unachievable 10% off.Guess what he was a nob as a) he had come to see a car that one would assume was the correct price because he was here and yet he wanted £1500 off and b) he made the utterly ridiculous statement of it being in an accident as it was in such a good condition.
How he goes about his haggling is a different matter.
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