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[BIRMA]

EarlOfHazard said:

TobyLerone said:

Potentially slightly unwelcome into our corner of PH, since it sips from the black pump.

VW Phaeton 5.0 V10TDI

Top end of thread budget at £4,999.



http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...


EDIT - I was going to say, the Phaetons' diet may not be to everyone's preference, but nobody could deny the potential über bork factor that we have almost come to expect here, in our fold.

Edited by TobyLerone on Monday 22 January 14:07

Ohhhhh that's lovely. And as for the engine: torque of the devil!
Wasn't it Top Gear where they use a Tourag with the engine to tow a jet airliner? Phwoar

One other very important and positive fact is that it says full dealership history. This means someone has probably spent a lot of money keeping it up together plus if it has been looked after properly its only just run-in at 90K miles. Someone will get a good car for very little money.

[TobyLerone]

BIRMA said:

EarlOfHazard said:

TobyLerone said:

Potentially slightly unwelcome into our corner of PH, since it sips from the black pump.

VW Phaeton 5.0 V10TDI

Top end of thread budget at £4,999.



http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...


EDIT - I was going to say, the Phaetons' diet may not be to everyone's preference, but nobody could deny the potential über bork factor that we have almost come to expect here, in our fold.

Edited by TobyLerone on Monday 22 January 14:07

Ohhhhh that's lovely. And as for the engine: torque of the devil!
Wasn't it Top Gear where they use a Tourag with the engine to tow a jet airliner? Phwoar

One other very important and positive fact is that it says full dealership history. This means someone has probably spent a lot of money keeping it up together plus if it has been looked after properly its only just run-in at 90K miles. Someone will get a good car for very little money.

The amount of dealers I've had arguments with about this phrase....

It's only valid to put it there, if you have detailed invoices for the work carried out, and reciepts documenting the payment too.

A book filled with stamps may as well be a child's colouring book. Absolutely worthless, on its own.

I'm highly sceptical of any car with FMDSH.

[CharlesdeGaulle]

BIRMA said:

EarlOfHazard said:

TobyLerone said:

Potentially slightly unwelcome into our corner of PH, since it sips from the black pump.

VW Phaeton 5.0 V10TDI

Top end of thread budget at £4,999.



http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...


EDIT - I was going to say, the Phaetons' diet may not be to everyone's preference, but nobody could deny the potential über bork factor that we have almost come to expect here, in our fold.

Edited by TobyLerone on Monday 22 January 14:07

Ohhhhh that's lovely. And as for the engine: torque of the devil!
Wasn't it Top Gear where they use a Tourag with the engine to tow a jet airliner? Phwoar

One other very important and positive fact is that it says full dealership history. This means someone has probably spent a lot of money keeping it up together plus if it has been looked after properly its only just run-in at 90K miles. Someone will get a good car for very little money.

Bizarrely, this makes more sense to me than an A8. Dunno why really, and I don't really want either, but I can see that it would be a comfortably anonymous competent barge.

[nobrakes]

EarlOfHazard said:

TobyLerone said:

Potentially slightly unwelcome into our corner of PH, since it sips from the black pump.

VW Phaeton 5.0 V10TDI

Top end of thread budget at £4,999.



http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...


EDIT - I was going to say, the Phaetons' diet may not be to everyone's preference, but nobody could deny the potential über bork factor that we have almost come to expect here, in our fold.

Edited by TobyLerone on Monday 22 January 14:07

Ohhhhh that's lovely. And as for the engine: torque of the devil!
Wasn't it Top Gear where they use a Tourag with the engine to tow a jet airliner? Phwoar

There are more buttons on the sides of the seats than some cars have on their dashboards.

Great spot.

[SimonTheSailor]

Jimmy Recard said:

Even better, Jersey also has no MOT. Insurance and tax work differently there too but I don't know the details of that

Think they now have not don't they ?

[Croutons]

SpeckledJim said:

Whereas if you gently crunch the gravel in the AA truck towing that.

EFA

I am pretty sure I posted that exact Monaco ~18 months ago at under 1/3 the advertised price.

[BIRMA]

TobyLerone said:

BIRMA said:

EarlOfHazard said:

TobyLerone said:

Potentially slightly unwelcome into our corner of PH, since it sips from the black pump.

VW Phaeton 5.0 V10TDI

Top end of thread budget at £4,999.



http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...


EDIT - I was going to say, the Phaetons' diet may not be to everyone's preference, but nobody could deny the potential über bork factor that we have almost come to expect here, in our fold.

Edited by TobyLerone on Monday 22 January 14:07

Ohhhhh that's lovely. And as for the engine: torque of the devil!
Wasn't it Top Gear where they use a Tourag with the engine to tow a jet airliner? Phwoar

One other very important and positive fact is that it says full dealership history. This means someone has probably spent a lot of money keeping it up together plus if it has been looked after properly its only just run-in at 90K miles. Someone will get a good car for very little money.

The amount of dealers I've had arguments with about this phrase....

It's only valid to put it there, if you have detailed invoices for the work carried out, and reciepts documenting the payment too.

A book filled with stamps may as well be a child's colouring book. Absolutely worthless, on its own.

I'm highly sceptical of any car with FMDSH.

Couldn't agree more with your comments regarding the service book. If the car has a full VW dealership stamped history then no problem and there are a few cars around with this.
Although when I was looking there were quite a few more coming up for sale than these days so I was spoilt for choice. I think the V10 and the W12 versions have become quite sought after if in the right condition. Several months ago a low mileage late W12 came on the market for £20K and it sold within a week.
You can park the car anywhere and not come back and find it vandalised because it just looks like a big Passat.
Every time I get in mine switch the ignition on and the lovely wood facia pieces retract to reveal the air vents I still say 'hello old friend' I'm sure alternatives would be available if it had turned out to be a money pit.
I paid £10K for mine with 50K miles on the clock with the last service stamp a bit dodgy, spent £2K on bespoke Tarox discs and pads (Lamborghini brakes) and have really enjoyed the car.

[bmthnick1981]

BIRMA said:

Couldn't agree more with your comments regarding the service book. If the car has a full VW dealership stamped history then no problem and there are a few cars around with this.
Although when I was looking there were quite a few more coming up for sale than these days so I was spoilt for choice. I think the V10 and the W12 versions have become quite sought after if in the right condition. Several months ago a low mileage late W12 came on the market for £20K and it sold within a week.
You can park the car anywhere and not come back and find it vandalised because it just looks like a big Passat.
Every time I get in mine switch the ignition on and the lovely wood facia pieces retract to reveal the air vents I still say 'hello old friend' I'm sure alternatives would be available if it had turned out to be a money pit.
I paid £10K for mine with 50K miles on the clock with the last service stamp a bit dodgy, spent £2K on bespoke Tarox discs and pads (Lamborghini brakes) and have really enjoyed the car.

I'm a big fan of the v10 TDI Phateon, I like that it exists. The brakes on yours sound very interesting. I see from your profile you considered a remap, did you ever go through with that if so what were the results?

I think it I were in the market for one I might struggle to choose one over a later audi a8 4.2 TDI which I think is a more modern and tunable engine?

I also notice you have a CL65 - any more details on that? The AMG 65 engine is an absolute masterpiece and I must own one at some stage.

[BIRMA]

bmthnick1981 said:

BIRMA said:

Couldn't agree more with your comments regarding the service book. If the car has a full VW dealership stamped history then no problem and there are a few cars around with this.
Although when I was looking there were quite a few more coming up for sale than these days so I was spoilt for choice. I think the V10 and the W12 versions have become quite sought after if in the right condition. Several months ago a low mileage late W12 came on the market for £20K and it sold within a week.
You can park the car anywhere and not come back and find it vandalised because it just looks like a big Passat.
Every time I get in mine switch the ignition on and the lovely wood facia pieces retract to reveal the air vents I still say 'hello old friend' I'm sure alternatives would be available if it had turned out to be a money pit.
I paid £10K for mine with 50K miles on the clock with the last service stamp a bit dodgy, spent £2K on bespoke Tarox discs and pads (Lamborghini brakes) and have really enjoyed the car.

I'm a big fan of the v10 TDI Phateon, I like that it exists. The brakes on yours sound very interesting. I see from your profile you considered a remap, did you ever go through with that if so what were the results?

I think it I were in the market for one I might struggle to choose one over a later audi a8 4.2 TDI which I think is a more modern and tunable engine?

I also notice you have a CL65 - any more details on that? The AMG 65 engine is an absolute masterpiece and I must own one at some stage.

I did consider a re-map on the Phaeton and a few people who have had it done and rate it. I didn't bother getting mine done in the end as I felt it was good enough as it was and didn't want to put any additional stress on the other components. Judging by the immense over-engineering obvious throughout the car I doubt it would have been a problem though.

I bought the CL65 as the only logical replacement for the Phaeton and I should have got rid of the Phaeton but I just can't let it go.
I have started a thread in the Readers Cars section titled 'CL65 a fast barge' where I am documenting my ownership experiences and expenses because again there were a lot of third hand experiences that may or may not be absolutely accurate about them.
Again like the Phaeton they reach a point where they are affordable (open to interpretation) and have fallen off a cliff edge depreciation wise and been properly looked after only to be spoiled by a cheapskate who thinks you can run them for little money.
I'm nearly nine months into ownership of the CL65 and can't honestly think of a car I'd like to replace it with, scary fast and silent. Jethro Bovingdon in Evo magazine reviewed it in July 2007 and I think he just about summed it up.

[Krikkit]

Makes for interesting barge reading: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...

Would love to experience it! We'll have to twist your arm into a thread meet some time.

[Philv8s]

I’ve been very tempted by these monster 65’s but always wimped our in the end and just plumped for a supercharged V8 instead. One day, one day....

[BIRMA]

Krikkit said:

Makes for interesting barge reading: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...

Would love to experience it! We'll have to twist your arm into a thread meet some time.

I'm always up for a barge meeting.

[BorniteIdentity]

I like a full, detailed service history as much as the next anorak. However, I’m not sure I understand the concern in this case - or in any case since about 2002.

If it was done at Audi, they’ll have full and comprehensive records on their electronic, digital and futuristic computer system. Just ask for copies of the work and file it all away in your brand new box file.

I’ve said it before, but there’s a real danger that we turn into a parody of ourselves on this thread. Seems like there’s a perfectly simple solution here.

[SimonTheSailor]

Never realised they did these Saabs in 2.8 V6 Turbo versions ? Must be an easy 300bhp+ after a simple remap - if you like that sort of thing.

Can't comment on price as don't know about them.........

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Saab-9-3-2-8T-V6-Aero-V...

[anonymous-user]

SimonTheSailor said:

Never realised they did these Saabs in 2.8 V6 Turbo versions ? Must be an easy 300bhp+ after a simple remap - if you like that sort of thing.

Can't comment on price as don't know about them.........

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Saab-9-3-2-8T-V6-Aero-V...

I'm becoming rather wary of SAABs, as despite the internet know it all confirmation bias single make forum bores consensus that parts are not a problem that has certainly not been the case for a colleague.

The heater fan speed resistor on his 2009 9-3 died before Christmas and despite trawling breakers and specialists to find one slightly wrong part after another it was not until last week that the correct part arrived direct from China. No heater for almost two months and hours of work and wasted money buying part after part that wasn't right. All for driving a slightly better trimmed Vauxhall. They are neither good enough or interesting enough to be worth the risk and effort.

[SimonTheSailor]

Oh.

[SimonTheSailor]

S500 LWB anybody ? Mercedes SH, looks great, get a few hundred off - bargain ?

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...

ETA - suspicious the reg number does not appear in any photos ?

Edited by SimonTheSailor on Tuesday 23 January 21:07

[r129sl]

BIRMA said:

TobyLerone said:

BIRMA said:

EarlOfHazard said:

TobyLerone said:

Potentially slightly unwelcome into our corner of PH, since it sips from the black pump.

VW Phaeton 5.0 V10TDI

Top end of thread budget at £4,999.



http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...


EDIT - I was going to say, the Phaetons' diet may not be to everyone's preference, but nobody could deny the potential über bork factor that we have almost come to expect here, in our fold.

Edited by TobyLerone on Monday 22 January 14:07

Ohhhhh that's lovely. And as for the engine: torque of the devil!
Wasn't it Top Gear where they use a Tourag with the engine to tow a jet airliner? Phwoar

One other very important and positive fact is that it says full dealership history. This means someone has probably spent a lot of money keeping it up together plus if it has been looked after properly its only just run-in at 90K miles. Someone will get a good car for very little money.

The amount of dealers I've had arguments with about this phrase....

It's only valid to put it there, if you have detailed invoices for the work carried out, and reciepts documenting the payment too.

A book filled with stamps may as well be a child's colouring book. Absolutely worthless, on its own.

I'm highly sceptical of any car with FMDSH.

Couldn't agree more with your comments regarding the service book. If the car has a full VW dealership stamped history then no problem and there are a few cars around with this.
Although when I was looking there were quite a few more coming up for sale than these days so I was spoilt for choice. I think the V10 and the W12 versions have become quite sought after if in the right condition. Several months ago a low mileage late W12 came on the market for £20K and it sold within a week.
You can park the car anywhere and not come back and find it vandalised because it just looks like a big Passat.
Every time I get in mine switch the ignition on and the lovely wood facia pieces retract to reveal the air vents I still say 'hello old friend' I'm sure alternatives would be available if it had turned out to be a money pit.
I paid £10K for mine with 50K miles on the clock with the last service stamp a bit dodgy, spent £2K on bespoke Tarox discs and pads (Lamborghini brakes) and have really enjoyed the car.

There's only one rule here: if you really, really want the car, you buy the car. How you justify it is all just creative writing.

Personally I love the V10 Phaeton. But not enough to buy one. Service history or no service history.

[Chromegrill]

For what it's worth there are four Phaetons on Autotrader at this very moment for £3000 or less including one that's LPG, though none have ten cylinders.

[r129sl]

SimonTheSailor said:

S500 LWB anybody ? Mercedes SH, looks great, get a few hundred off - bargain ?

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...

These are a total bargain, if you ask me. There are quite a lot out there, more petrol V8s than we usually find these days, which is good; but quite a few have been neglected, which is bad; and quite a few more were blandly specified when new, which is also bad (no light ivory, sob).

For some time I have been obsessed with this one: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...



It is out of budget (and unsurprisingly not selling). However, it is SWB (which I would prefer), low mileage, and very, very nicely specified, being a 500, on the short wheel base, the 16" wheels (don't they look great?), exclusive nappa leather (alcantara headlining, leather dash, doors and console) and a pretty full roster of bits and bobs to go wrong over the next few years. It is quite unusual for a SWB to have heated, ventilated, electrically adjustable rear seats...

Then there is this one local to me. Facelift; but LWB.Nice colour; fancy interior again; low price; monstrously full spec. Shame about the wheels. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-MERCEDES-BENZ-S-CL...6oAAOSwlpZaUPi7



I don't know whether the extra size over my w210 would be tedious.

On which note, I am tooling around in my friend's very tidy w211 E500 Elegance. These are my thoughts. It is significantly faster than the w210 E430. The E500's power and torque are not that much greater but I think it is about 100kg lighter and it has the 7-speed gearbox. The air suspension is different but not better: it is no quieter and the low speed ride is inferior; by contrast the ride at higher speed is better. It is less Merc-like in feel. I am not convinced the build quality (body rust aside) is any better at all. The lighting is better but not massively so. It is no quieter than the E430, if anything the tyre noise is greater (235/45 R17 v 245/45 R17, so that's not it). I decided I wouldn't be swapping my 210 for a 211 anytime soon: I'd rather spend the money on putting an E55 engine into the 430.

But would a w220, especially a SWB, hit the spot?