RE: BMW M135i: PH Fleet
Discussion
D200 said:
culpz said:
You really are a deluded, pathetic and angry little man 
"Over and Out" chief
Excellent, so I hit the nail right on the head then..."Over and Out" chief
You are the angry silly man-child.
And like a schoolchild, you now are making a point to reply to every comment I make with some utter nonsense.
So I will make a point or replying back to you to counter you ridiculous comments.
I am not angry, you amuse me
What i wrote was not snooty, angry or a joke at your expense in any way. But you just seem to blow your lid and start firing out insults. It was a statement that many on here actually agreed with.
Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and grow up.
D200 said:
All this 9 10ths or 10 10ths stuff is funny
People slating this car as it 9 or 10 tenths it ‘falls apart’ ?
I test drove a M135i – with no salesman with me – so drove it ‘reasonably’ hard. It felt fine, a bit bumpy/skippy at times but I wouldn’t say this ruined the car – made you realize you were travelling hard!
And how often do you all drive at 9 or 10 tenths?
If you drove a Golf 1.2 at even 9 10ths on the road you would be banned within a week never mind a performance cars. Drive even a Golf GTi never mind a Golf R or Audi RS3, A4 AMG or M135i at 9 or 10 tenths and you will be banned within an hour
And then if you try to drive something like a 911 GT3, GTR, 458, 650S etc at 9 or 10 tenths, then I dunno...
I drove some very fast cars, inc a 911 Turbo, 458, R8 etc and drove then pretty hard –was doing about 130+ on an a/b road, it was crazy/scary fast but I would say I drove it at 4 tenths at the very most!
And I can drive cars pretty fast, went to come race schools, a few track days etc. I own and owned some reasonably fast RWD cars and do get them sideways etc on the road but I still would not call that driving at 9 or 10 tenths, no where near it.
To drive at 9 or 10 tenths this would be basically full throttle all the time, full on the brakes, taking corners at the maximum speed possible – i.e. then the car is losing grip and beginning to slide
I have done a small bit in my younger more foolish days – I wouldn’t now. It’s dangerous as hell, risky as hell and if caught bye bye license. Plus you are relying on other road users being full aware of what you are doing.
Unless my understanding of driving at 10 tenths is completely wrong?
For me 10/10ths would be driving at 100% of what I personally would deem to be acceptably safe on a particular road, rather than meaning literally pushing it to the absolute limitPeople slating this car as it 9 or 10 tenths it ‘falls apart’ ?
I test drove a M135i – with no salesman with me – so drove it ‘reasonably’ hard. It felt fine, a bit bumpy/skippy at times but I wouldn’t say this ruined the car – made you realize you were travelling hard!
And how often do you all drive at 9 or 10 tenths?
If you drove a Golf 1.2 at even 9 10ths on the road you would be banned within a week never mind a performance cars. Drive even a Golf GTi never mind a Golf R or Audi RS3, A4 AMG or M135i at 9 or 10 tenths and you will be banned within an hour
And then if you try to drive something like a 911 GT3, GTR, 458, 650S etc at 9 or 10 tenths, then I dunno...
I drove some very fast cars, inc a 911 Turbo, 458, R8 etc and drove then pretty hard –was doing about 130+ on an a/b road, it was crazy/scary fast but I would say I drove it at 4 tenths at the very most!
And I can drive cars pretty fast, went to come race schools, a few track days etc. I own and owned some reasonably fast RWD cars and do get them sideways etc on the road but I still would not call that driving at 9 or 10 tenths, no where near it.
To drive at 9 or 10 tenths this would be basically full throttle all the time, full on the brakes, taking corners at the maximum speed possible – i.e. then the car is losing grip and beginning to slide
I have done a small bit in my younger more foolish days – I wouldn’t now. It’s dangerous as hell, risky as hell and if caught bye bye license. Plus you are relying on other road users being full aware of what you are doing.
Unless my understanding of driving at 10 tenths is completely wrong?
git-r said:
I completely agree about people going on about the 8 tenths thing. TBH I don’t really enjoy road driving after doing so much track stuff, mostly find it frustrating and would never drive at anywhere near the limit.
Same. I find road driving soooo boring. Not sure what you experienced so far on track but beyond 8/10ths the M135i doesn't suddenly fall off a cliff (even at Anglesey
).Probably because most tracks are so smooth, it only gradually starts deteriorating but it remains a very useful and fun tool nonetheless.
Have you fitted the M4 LCAs yet ?
D200 said:
So you had one for a week so obviously had a good drive in it and didn’t like it, wasn’t for you etc so fair play and 100% respect.
A week long test drive [whether it was an actual test drive or for some reason you had one for a week] this is excellent - that’s the kind of test drive I would love.
I once test drove a 36k car I was thinking of buying. Went up a dual carriage busy dual carriageway, round a roundabout then back to dealer – a whole 10min drive in traffic! I didn’t know the roads or where I was going and was shocked when we returned to the dealer from a different entrance in just 10mins!
Then the sales man was being pushy and assumed I was going to buy the car there and then, want to go through finance etc!
I said are you joking, you think I am going to buy a 36k based on that joke of a drive. Then he wanted to drive my car I was going to trade in on his own. Joker.
Bit off topic I know, but I would love to be able to test a car for a week as that is a proper evaluation.
On the 135i etc and any car in general. I guess a lot of how a car drives or how you enjoy how it drives is obviously based on the condition and what type of road where you live, and the roads you most often drive on.
Where I live most of the roads are in great condition, nice smooth tarmac, nice sweeping open corners, nice wide roundabout ahem
Where my brother lives is the opposite, roads are shocking, so he needs a car with non-sports suspension, ride quality etc is his number 1 concern whereas for me not that big a deal
I'm a lucky bugger who managed to have BMW business ship a demo car out for a week for evaluation purposes. Never been so spoiled! A week long test drive [whether it was an actual test drive or for some reason you had one for a week] this is excellent - that’s the kind of test drive I would love.
I once test drove a 36k car I was thinking of buying. Went up a dual carriage busy dual carriageway, round a roundabout then back to dealer – a whole 10min drive in traffic! I didn’t know the roads or where I was going and was shocked when we returned to the dealer from a different entrance in just 10mins!
Then the sales man was being pushy and assumed I was going to buy the car there and then, want to go through finance etc!
I said are you joking, you think I am going to buy a 36k based on that joke of a drive. Then he wanted to drive my car I was going to trade in on his own. Joker.
Bit off topic I know, but I would love to be able to test a car for a week as that is a proper evaluation.
On the 135i etc and any car in general. I guess a lot of how a car drives or how you enjoy how it drives is obviously based on the condition and what type of road where you live, and the roads you most often drive on.
Where I live most of the roads are in great condition, nice smooth tarmac, nice sweeping open corners, nice wide roundabout ahem
Where my brother lives is the opposite, roads are shocking, so he needs a car with non-sports suspension, ride quality etc is his number 1 concern whereas for me not that big a deal
I'm glad they did though, because I actually got a chance to live with it for a week and see whether it really fit me (both handling wise and practicality wise). It convinced me that A: I definitely would need a 3 door and B: I couldn't live with that handling balance on the roads around here.
We are blessed with some rather excellent and challenging country roads round here that have some seriously mixed surfaces/bumps/cambers, all of which can catch out all but the very best set up cars. In terms of handling torture tests, it is brilliant. Not good for wheels or suspension components long term though...
It also means I'm lucky enough to have tried the Golf R, current Focus RS, M140i and Fiesta ST MT215 on the same roads within 6 months of each other. All were compromised in some way on these roads, but it just depends what compromise you're happy with.
It is a toss up like you say. I am quite happy making do with a harsher ride for the sake of slightly better body control but someone else might want a bit more float to deal with the harsher or more frequent bumps. And if you have smooth roads with less of the issues, these things may not matter so much.
I'm also going to be the bigger man here and reply back to you, accordingly. Whether you feel the need to reply back is completely in your hands and up to you. Try not to get the old blood pressure boiling as i'm only responding to what YOU said, remember. So, here goes:
D200 said:
You really don't know what you are talking about.
Maybe not but many others on here seem to have agreed too. So, it's not just me that shares this opinion, alone. Also, Chris Harris said exactly the same thing but i'll expand on that further down.D200 said:
Have you ever drove an M135i at 10 tenths? On the road? And on the track?
No but as far as i'm aware, neither have you. You responded to the above poster to say that you only had a brief-ish test drive of one.D200 said:
I suspect you haven’t. You should watch the Chris Harris vid of this car vs a RS3 - didn’t really fall to pieces on a track from what I saw
I have, actually. Have you watched one of his other reviews where Mr Harris categorically states that the M135i is the perfect definition of an 8/10th's car? He also says that he explores the limit of the car's suspension to the point where it simply gives up when really pushed.D200 said:
Your extreme hatred of BMW's is apparent.
Your personal assumption of that is apparent. All i'm doing is echoing the comments of Mr Harris himself aswell as other posters on here too. I do not hate BMW and my first comment on this thread was that i will probably own an M235i in the future.D200 said:
And your definition of driving at 10 tenths is probably understeering in your A4 1.4 coming up to a roundabout and s
tting your pants
It's not too bad actually. It's not RS3 bad, put it that way but i'm rarely driving the thing at 10 tenths, if at all. It can't be any worse than your diesel E-Class, anyway tting your pants nickfrog said:
Same. I find road driving soooo boring.
Not sure what you experienced so far on track but beyond 8/10ths the M135i doesn't suddenly fall off a cliff (even at Anglesey).
Probably because most tracks are so smooth, it only gradually starts deteriorating but it remains a very useful and fun tool nonetheless.
Have you fitted the M4 LCAs yet ?
Hey Nick,Not sure what you experienced so far on track but beyond 8/10ths the M135i doesn't suddenly fall off a cliff (even at Anglesey
).Probably because most tracks are so smooth, it only gradually starts deteriorating but it remains a very useful and fun tool nonetheless.
Have you fitted the M4 LCAs yet ?
Lol yeah, the corner g approaches 0.9 then it suddenly bounces all over the place and puts me in a wall.... hehe, no, it keeps on cornering and holds 1.1g on the stock MPSS which is excellent for a standard car.
Not got the LCA,s yet, considering some adjustable top mounts to get the extra camber but don’t want any of the noise or clonkiness you get with them so have t made my mind up yet.
I only want the extra camber to make my tyres last better, grip is already excellent on the adaptive suspension despite running crazy high pressures to stop the edge of the tyres disappearing.
Another thing I love about this car is the noise, straight six, yum yum!!
Sam
culpz said:
Not at all but there is simply no reasoning with you, so i'm not giving you the time of day. You just seem to go red rag to a bull when someone replies to you. You've even done it with the above poster.
What i wrote was not snooty, angry or a joke at your expense in any way. But you just seem to blow your lid and start firing out insults. It was a statement that many on here actually agreed with.
Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and grow up.
Seems to me that you are the one who is blowing your lid What i wrote was not snooty, angry or a joke at your expense in any way. But you just seem to blow your lid and start firing out insults. It was a statement that many on here actually agreed with.
Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and grow up.
If you just stop replying to me with nonsense then I won't feel the need to send a very reasonable, measured and qualified reply back to you
If you feel the need to get the last word in you can reply to me one more [but be reasonable] and I will let you have the last word on this ...
D200 said:
Seems to me that you are the one who is blowing your lid
If you just stop replying to me with nonsense then I won't feel the need to send a very reasonable, measured and qualified reply back to you
If you feel the need to get the last word in you can reply to me one more [but be reasonable] and I will let you have the last word on this ...
Please see above. I've taken my time to respond to you suitably. Lets be adults now and have a proper discussion without it resorting to silly name-calling and childish remarks If you just stop replying to me with nonsense then I won't feel the need to send a very reasonable, measured and qualified reply back to you
If you feel the need to get the last word in you can reply to me one more [but be reasonable] and I will let you have the last word on this ...
Edited by culpz on Thursday 5th October 13:39
Handbags at Dawn might settle it.
The M135i is a lovely little car, is it the sharpest, no, but does it have character, is it quick, and comfortable - YES.
Some might prefer something else, fair enough.
I liked having a small but practical and comfortable car with RWD and a big peachy 6 pot engine, I'm sure that must be the appeal for many.
The M135i is a lovely little car, is it the sharpest, no, but does it have character, is it quick, and comfortable - YES.
Some might prefer something else, fair enough.
I liked having a small but practical and comfortable car with RWD and a big peachy 6 pot engine, I'm sure that must be the appeal for many.
git-r said:
nickfrog said:
Same. I find road driving soooo boring.
Not sure what you experienced so far on track but beyond 8/10ths the M135i doesn't suddenly fall off a cliff (even at Anglesey).
Probably because most tracks are so smooth, it only gradually starts deteriorating but it remains a very useful and fun tool nonetheless.
Have you fitted the M4 LCAs yet ?
Hey Nick,Not sure what you experienced so far on track but beyond 8/10ths the M135i doesn't suddenly fall off a cliff (even at Anglesey
).Probably because most tracks are so smooth, it only gradually starts deteriorating but it remains a very useful and fun tool nonetheless.
Have you fitted the M4 LCAs yet ?
Lol yeah, the corner g approaches 0.9 then it suddenly bounces all over the place and puts me in a wall.... hehe, no, it keeps on cornering and holds 1.1g on the stock MPSS which is excellent for a standard car.
Not got the LCA,s yet, considering some adjustable top mounts to get the extra camber but don’t want any of the noise or clonkiness you get with them so have t made my mind up yet.
I only want the extra camber to make my tyres last better, grip is already excellent on the adaptive suspension despite running crazy high pressures to stop the edge of the tyres disappearing.
Another thing I love about this car is the noise, straight six, yum yum!!
Sam
culpz said:
D200 said:
Seems to me that you are the one who is blowing your lid
If you just stop replying to me with nonsense then I won't feel the need to send a very reasonable, measured and qualified reply back to you
If you feel the need to get the last word in you can reply to me one more [but be reasonable] and I will let you have the last word on this ...
Please see above. I've taken my time to respond to you suitably. Lets be adults now and have a proper discussion without it resorting to silly name-calling and childish remarks If you just stop replying to me with nonsense then I won't feel the need to send a very reasonable, measured and qualified reply back to you
If you feel the need to get the last word in you can reply to me one more [but be reasonable] and I will let you have the last word on this ...
Edited by culpz on Thursday 5th October 13:39
urquattroGus said:
Handbags at Dawn might settle it.
The M135i is a lovely little car, is it the sharpest, no, but does it have character, is it quick, and comfortable - YES.
Some might prefer something else, fair enough.
I liked having a small but practical and comfortable car with RWD and a big peachy 6 pot engine, I'm sure that must be the appeal for many.
It is a great car, it really is, exactly as you say, others may prefer different things. The M135i is a lovely little car, is it the sharpest, no, but does it have character, is it quick, and comfortable - YES.
Some might prefer something else, fair enough.
I liked having a small but practical and comfortable car with RWD and a big peachy 6 pot engine, I'm sure that must be the appeal for many.
Honestly, there's a 17 plate M140i at the top of my street and I do have pangs daily of "did I really choose the right one?".
culpz said:
It's not too bad actually. It's not RS3 bad, put it that way but i'm rarely driving the thing at 10 tenths, if at all. It can't be any worse than your diesel E-Class, anyway
Actually, I don't have a diesel e class by the way. Had one in past though. Also owned an A4 and drove others. In my opinion a diesel E Class is infinitely better than it in every way. An S4 or RS4 a different story but in comparison to a non S or RS A4 an E class is a better driving car IMHOYou never drove an M135i but you know more about their ‘9 tenths handling ability’ than people here who drove then, currently owned them and own them in the past
Finally, you are saying after all this you are going to buy an M235i – good grief!
nickfrog said:
Sam, I'll probably take the Megane for its last outing this year at Snet on Sat 4 Nov (work allowing) - would you be around by any chance ?
Fantastic, I’m currently free for that I may well see you there, would be great to meet you at last!
I’m going to brands on the 17th October if you fancy that?
Cheers
D200 said:
Actually, I don't have a diesel e class by the way. Had one in past though. Also owned an A4 and drove others. In my opinion a diesel E Class is infinitely better than it in every way. An S4 or RS4 a different story but in comparison to a non S or RS A4 an E class is a better driving car IMHO
For the record, i hate my A4. I got it because it was a very cheap deal. I'm looking forward to early next year when i get rid of the thing.D200 said:
You never drove an M135i but you know more about their ‘9 tenths handling ability’ than people here who drove then, currently owned them and own them in the past
I never claimed to know more. Again, i was echoing the comments from Chris Harris and others on here who all said the same thing.D200 said:
Finally, you are saying after all this you are going to buy an M235i – good grief!
I actually said it back on page 1 of this thread. Calling it a 8/10th's car is exactly what it is. You then got annoyed, for some reason.urquattroGus said:
Handbags at Dawn might settle it.
The M135i is a lovely little car, is it the sharpest, no, but does it have character, is it quick, and comfortable - YES.
Some might prefer something else, fair enough.
I liked having a small but practical and comfortable car with RWD and a big peachy 6 pot engine, I'm sure that must be the appeal for many.
Amen to that! The M135i is a lovely little car, is it the sharpest, no, but does it have character, is it quick, and comfortable - YES.
Some might prefer something else, fair enough.
I liked having a small but practical and comfortable car with RWD and a big peachy 6 pot engine, I'm sure that must be the appeal for many.
git-r said:
nickfrog said:
Sam, I'll probably take the Megane for its last outing this year at Snet on Sat 4 Nov (work allowing) - would you be around by any chance ?
Fantastic, I’m currently free for that I may well see you there, would be great to meet you at last!
I’m going to brands on the 17th October if you fancy that?
Cheers
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