Escort Cosworth - Focus RS
Discussion
Leins said:
Never knew that about Swiss regulations, although doesn't really surprise me! F40 looks a little odd with the lower one
I seem to recall mention that the Escort Cossie gained about 10MPH in top speed without the rear wing, but no idea if that's true
I think the idea of the Swiss regs was along the lines of that if someone got thrown over the top of the car in a collision and rolled down the rear window there should be nothing that they could get a limb caught in or under. Hence the lower height of the F40 wing and fill-in panel on the Escort whaletailI seem to recall mention that the Escort Cossie gained about 10MPH in top speed without the rear wing, but no idea if that's true
As for the increase in speed, a standard car with both rear spoilers/whaletail would run to about 137/138 on the Millbrook banking .......then about 6/7 mph more with it removed
Alpinestars said:
SWoll said:
Very very clean car. Barry is a total car nut and his cars are immaculate. 
Like the day it left the factory !
wormus said:
How about this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SERIES-1-RS-TURBO-RUNNIN...
A Mk1 RS turbo/Sierra Cosworth 4x4 hybrid.
I quite like it but it’s still registered as a 1.6 A Mk1 RS turbo/Sierra Cosworth 4x4 hybrid.
Why would you not do the right thing and register it properly, are all the bits stolen ?
You would have to be insane to even take the risk let alone for that money how long before it’s on a q plate
Here's that Autocar vid I mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=600meX6oa1A
3:10 for how well the Escort has aged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=600meX6oa1A
3:10 for how well the Escort has aged.
200Plus Club said:
I drove an escort cossy back in the day with 300bhp and tbh my Celica gt4 st205 was way way better overall. The gt4 is now worth a goldfish and a balloon, the same escort cossy is now too valuable to drive decent mileage with annually, and worth more with std boring power than modified.
The focus RS is by all accounts decent drive but literally hundreds of them for sale on PH and AT and prices you assume only going South for at least 20 yrs or so yet.
35k will get you some seriously quick and impressive metal so unless you are a die hard Ford RS fanboy go try some other stuff (GTR, 911, R8 just) etc etc
It is a funny world we live in. ST205 prices are pretty laughable when you compare to its siblings (Lancia Delta and Cosworth) yet at the time the Celica was absolute light years ahead. Even new the Escort Cosworth was victorian pram technology to what Toyota was showcasing with its rally rep.The focus RS is by all accounts decent drive but literally hundreds of them for sale on PH and AT and prices you assume only going South for at least 20 yrs or so yet.
35k will get you some seriously quick and impressive metal so unless you are a die hard Ford RS fanboy go try some other stuff (GTR, 911, R8 just) etc etc
Even still given a choice out of the two I would take the Cosworth any time of the week. No one even bats an eyelid to a mk3 RS.
HumanDoing said:
General concensus seems to be the Cosworth then. Clearly the better vehicle by any objective measure.
Why do you keep doing that ? Sheer provocation every time the FRS is mentioned. Now that you have got the soiled nappies out of your system, you need to get the FRS out of your system. So now I assume you're also going to buy a Cossie before you buy the Megane before you buy the Mustang and before you (eventually) buy the Focus. That way maybe you might have an "opinion" of any value. Report back please when you have.
BricktopST205 said:
It is a funny world we live in. ST205 prices are pretty laughable when you compare to its siblings (Lancia Delta and Cosworth) yet at the time the Celica was absolute light years ahead. Even new the Escort Cosworth was victorian pram technology to what Toyota was showcasing with its rally rep.
Even still given a choice out of the two I would take the Cosworth any time of the week. No one even bats an eyelid to a mk3 RS.
Did you see this one off the other page Bricktop? Just a chance to see all three on some sunny roads reallyEven still given a choice out of the two I would take the Cosworth any time of the week. No one even bats an eyelid to a mk3 RS.
nickfrog said:
Why do you keep doing that ? Sheer provocation every time the FRS is mentioned. Now that you have got the soiled nappies out of your system, you need to get the FRS out of your system.
So now I assume you're also going to buy a Cossie before you buy the Megane before you buy the Mustang and before you (eventually) buy the Focus. That way maybe you might have an "opinion" of any value. Report back please when you have.
Im never going to buy a cosworth but about 80% of respondents on here have said they'd prefer the Cosworth.So now I assume you're also going to buy a Cossie before you buy the Megane before you buy the Mustang and before you (eventually) buy the Focus. That way maybe you might have an "opinion" of any value. Report back please when you have.
Claiming that pointing out objective facts you disagree with is 'sheer provocation' is pure snowflake millenial behaviour at its worst.
BricktopST205 said:
It is a funny world we live in. ST205 prices are pretty laughable when you compare to its siblings (Lancia Delta and Cosworth) yet at the time the Celica was absolute light years ahead. Even new the Escort Cosworth was victorian pram technology to what Toyota was showcasing with its rally rep.
Even still given a choice out of the two I would take the Cosworth any time of the week. No one even bats an eyelid to a mk3 RS.
You're exactly right. MK3 owners spend £35k on a hyperhatch then praise how 'understated' and 'under the radar' it is an apology for the fact it came off the standard focus production line but now with a completely unusable drift mode. It's a joke. Even still given a choice out of the two I would take the Cosworth any time of the week. No one even bats an eyelid to a mk3 RS.
HumanDoing said:
Ahbefive said:
Nope not by any objective measure, very few in fact. Perhaps you mean subjective measure.
Objective in as much as about 80% of posts have been pro-Cosworth, whether you wish to admit it or not. Opinions are irrelevant really as most people prefer classic cars to new.
You love to argue but yet again are being moronic.
Ahbefive said:
But objectively the Focus is a far better car.
Opinions are irrelevant really as most people prefer classic cars to new.
You love to argue but yet again are being moronic.
But objectively the Focus is a far better car - care to clarify how that possibly be true? Opinions are irrelevant really as most people prefer classic cars to new.
You love to argue but yet again are being moronic.
Also bahahaha @ 'opinions are irrelevant because they don't suit my argument'.
Then you go on to brand ME moronic.
HumanDoing said:
But objectively the Focus is a far better car - care to clarify how that possibly be true?
Also bahahaha @ 'opinions are irrelevant because they don't suit my argument'.
Then you go on to brand ME moronic.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest you don't know the difference between objective and subjective. Am I right?Also bahahaha @ 'opinions are irrelevant because they don't suit my argument'.
Then you go on to brand ME moronic.
HumanDoing said:
But objectively the Focus is a far better car - care to clarify how that possibly be true?
Because "objectively" means you have to consider things that can be measured.Which is faster?
Which is better built?
Which is more practical for daily use?
Which is more reliable?
Which is a better investment in terms of potential value increase?
And he's saying that on that basis, the Focus will probably come out ahead of the Escort.
That - in this thread, on this forum, according to the people replying - the Escort is more popular is itself an objective fact (more people like it, evidence available to show that), but that doesn't mean it's objectively a better car. Subjectively, we seem to prefer it.
You can make an argumant that the Escort is objectively better, but you have to actually make the argument, and support it. For example, is the Escort better at meeting its design brief than the Focus? That's an interesting question, and you may well come out of it saying that it is, ergo it's the better car.
InitialDave said:
HumanDoing said:
But objectively the Focus is a far better car - care to clarify how that possibly be true?
Because "objectively" means you have to consider things that can be measured.Which is faster?
Which is better built?
Which is more practical for daily use?
Which is more reliable?
Which is a better investment in terms of potential value increase?
And he's saying that on that basis, the Focus will probably come out ahead of the Escort.
That - in this thread, on this forum, according to the people replying - the Escort is more popular is itself an objective fact (more people like it, evidence available to show that), but that doesn't mean it's objectively a better car. Subjectively, we seem to prefer it.
You can make an argumant that the Escort is objectively better, but you have to actually make the argument, and support it. For example, is the Escort better at meeting its design brief than the Focus? That's an interesting question, and you may well come out of it saying that it is, ergo it's the better car.
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