RE: Road and track in a Vauxhall VXR8 GTS-R
Discussion
IanJ9375 said:
Yeah people get quite confused by this Vauxhall/Opel/GM stuff - it's a bit like when they try to decide if something like the Insignia is British/German or American due to being sold as a Vauxhall, made in Germany at an Opel plant but was owned ultimately by GM the American part....suppose we can throw French in there now lol
Or even as a Buick Regal 
ZX10R NIN said:
British Beef said:
Alfa Quadrafoglio, if you need 4 doors would be my second Choice and £10k cheaper
Also from the next segment down so you're comparing it to a M3/RS4/C63 type of car to a M5 sized car and are surprised it's cheaper come on pick a relevant competitor.Manual box in the Alfa and I'd definitely have to try both!
HedgeyGedgey said:
74k for a vauxhall is pretty extortionate. Dont get me wrong its cheaper than its rivals by some margin but it has a vauxhall badge. I'm a vauxhall guy through and through, they're in my blood but you'd have to be clinically insane to spend 74k on any vauxhall
For a start,its not a Vauxhall!Never has & never will be(fact)Has no Vauxhall “DNA” in its blood. Vauxhall has never ever had any decent cars in its range.It is a lot of money,but that is probably due to import tariffs,profit etc.Here in Aus they are around $90,000 mark(for you around £53,000)Cheers
culpz said:
But they're Holden's, are they not? Or, at least, were. My history of the company is limited, i confess, but my understanding was that the Monaro's and VXR8's, while being badged as such, didn't have much Vauxhall influence behind them.
I'm happy to be corrected though.
Indeed,they are Holden through & through,they have never had a link with Vauxhall(god forbid). If you want some more info “Wikipedia” would be a good start for some facts on the company here in Australia.Unfortunately we have to now put up with this Opel/Vauxhall stuff,as they are not a patch on the local home grown product.A lot of very unhappy people in this country I can tell you! CheersI'm happy to be corrected though.
Edited by Hackney2 on Thursday 12th October 04:26
Hackney2 said:
Indeed,they are Holden through & through,they have never had a link with Vauxhall(god forbid). If you want some more info “Wikipedia” would be a good choice for some facts on the company here in Australia.Cheers
The same parent company for 86 years and offering many identical products is not a link?People would consider Ford Australia and Ford of Europe to have a link - the link between Vauxhall/Opel/Holden is the same.
Vauxhall Motors Limited is just a subisidiary of Opel that builds some cars for the UK and export and markets others in the UK, all of this on behalf of Opel.
Hackney2 said:
For a start,its not a Vauxhall!Never has & never will be(fact)Has no Vauxhall “DNA” in its blood. Vauxhall has never ever had any decent cars in its range.It is a lot of money,but that is probably due to import tariffs,profit etc.Here in Aus they are around $90,000 mark(for you around £53,000)Cheers
ErmI guess you've not read up about cars such as the Lotus Carlton and the Chevette HS/HSR then lol
GM - owned all the brands until recently so effectively whatever badge they put on it made it a GM under the skin regardless of it being a Astra, Barina, Corsa or a VXR8 with Opel/VX/Saturn/Holden or Chevy etc
Hackney2 said:
culpz said:
But they're Holden's, are they not? Or, at least, were. My history of the company is limited, i confess, but my understanding was that the Monaro's and VXR8's, while being badged as such, didn't have much Vauxhall influence behind them.
I'm happy to be corrected though.
Indeed,they are Holden through & through,they have never had a link with Vauxhall(god forbid). If you want some more info “Wikipedia” would be a good start for some facts on the company here in Australia.Unfortunately we have to now put up with this Opel/Vauxhall stuff,as they are not a patch on the local home grown product.A lot of very unhappy people in this country I can tell you! CheersI'm happy to be corrected though.
Edited by Hackney2 on Thursday 12th October 04:26
Holden might have Oz origins. But it’s been GM since 1931!!!!
The VXR8 with any badge on, is an American car. Built on a GM platform, with a GM engine and GM components in a GM factory.
ZX10R NIN said:
British Beef said:
Alfa Quadrafoglio, if you need 4 doors would be my second Choice and £10k cheaper
Also from the next segment down so you're comparing it to a M3/RS4/C63 type of car to a M5 sized car and are surprised it's cheaper come on pick a relevant competitor.It's far more relevant than one of the mainstream cars from its class, such as an M5, E63 or RS6.
300bhp/ton said:
Maybe you should have read a few more posts.
Holden might have Oz origins. But it’s been GM since 1931!!!!
The VXR8 with any badge on, is an American car. Built on a GM platform, with a GM engine and GM components in a GM factory.
The last paragraph is not quite true. Holden were involved in the design and development of the Commodore. The main feature of the 2006 Commodore was the move from trailing arm rear suspension to multi-link rear - all designed and engineered by Holden. And all iterations featured local engineering to cope with the harsh Australian conditions.Holden might have Oz origins. But it’s been GM since 1931!!!!
The VXR8 with any badge on, is an American car. Built on a GM platform, with a GM engine and GM components in a GM factory.
Wheels magazine has run a series of retrospectives in the run-up to the Elizabeth closure that are good reading.
https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/features/39-years-of-...
Edited by Gareth9702 on Friday 13th October 07:48
Gareth9702 said:
The last paragraph is not quite true. Holden were involved in the design and development of the Commodore. The main feature of the 2006 Commodore was the move from trailing arm rear suspension to multi-link rear - all designed and engineered by Holden. And all iterations featured local engineering to cope with the harsh Australian conditions.
Wheels magazine has run a series of retrospectives in the run-up to the Elizabeth closure that are good reading.
https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/features/39-years-of-...
Yes. An who owns Holden?? Wheels magazine has run a series of retrospectives in the run-up to the Elizabeth closure that are good reading.
https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/features/39-years-of-...
Edited by Gareth9702 on Friday 13th October 07:48
Honda and Toyota both build cars here in the U.K. and have registered limited companies here. Would you suddenly consider them British or Japanese still?
BMW built Z3’s in the USA (and others). Guess that makes them a stereotypical “yank tank” then.
300bhp/ton said:
Yes. An who owns Holden??
Honda and Toyota both build cars here in the U.K. and have registered limited companies here. Would you suddenly consider them British or Japanese still?
BMW built Z3’s in the USA (and others). Guess that makes them a stereotypical “yank tank” then.
Holden is Australian. Vauxhall is British. GM are their American Overlords, except now, PSA are the French Overlords of Vauxhall. Honda and Toyota both build cars here in the U.K. and have registered limited companies here. Would you suddenly consider them British or Japanese still?
BMW built Z3’s in the USA (and others). Guess that makes them a stereotypical “yank tank” then.
F1GTRUeno said:
Jaguar and Land Rover products must be a TATA then.
What a load of b
ks.
It’s a difficult question to answer. And many uptight Brits are likely to irrational and down right dumb about it, with a total pig ignorance to accept facts. What a load of b
ks.For now. I’d say they are a foreign owned British car maker. On the sole basis the cars are not branded and sold under different names in different countries. Production is in the U.K. and the actual models hale from Jaguar/Land Rover. Not from the parent company.
For the likes of Vauxhall and Holden this hasn’t been the case for at least half a century if not a lot longer.
300bhp/ton said:
F1GTRUeno said:
Jaguar and Land Rover products must be a TATA then.
What a load of bks.
It’s a difficult question to answer. And many uptight Brits are likely to irrational and down right dumb about it, with a total pig ignorance to accept facts. What a load of b
ks.For now. I’d say they are a foreign owned British car maker. On the sole basis the cars are not branded and sold under different names in different countries. Production is in the U.K. and the actual models hale from Jaguar/Land Rover. Not from the parent company.
For the likes of Vauxhall and Holden this hasn’t been the case for at least half a century if not a lot longer.
Saying they're a foreign owned British car maker is just admitting that they're British but trying to salvage some credibility for yourself.
Everyone knows they're foreign owned but it doesn't make them any less British. Just like foreign ownership of an Italian, French, German, Swedish, American etc makes them any less of that nationality.
I mean, if we go to an Italian/Chinese/Indian/etc restaurant but they're wholly owned and run by some Brits then it's not a British restaurant is it?
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