RE: Mini 1499 GT announced

RE: Mini 1499 GT announced

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Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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300bhp/ton said:
I think you are simplifying to the point of not being rational.

Not every buyer will get a discount. And there is nothing to say there won’t be discounts on this model too. A dealer can always adjust their margin if they so want.

And some people will care about looks more than go. As for £2k difference. Which is probably unlikely for a given scenario. Unless you are paying cash, is probably not much of a difference. Maybe £500 more deposit and £10/month on finance. If that.
So paying more for a worse car is fine?

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Mr2Mike said:
So paying more for a worse car is fine?
More for a different car surely. Worse means huge personal bias. Which is silly to introduce as a valid point.

It really doesn’t take much to spec a Cooper to more than the price of a base model Cooper S. Yet plenty of people still buy Coopers.

This is true for most car manufactures ranges.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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300bhp/ton said:
More for a different car surely.
More for a lower specification car with a few extra bits that in no possible way represent value for the additional cost.

300bhp/ton said:
Worse means huge personal bias. Which is silly to introduce as a valid point.
Worse means worse. A lower spec car is fine, unless you are paying more for it than a better one, in which case it becomes 'worse'.


CABC

5,589 posts

102 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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it would be "better" if they stripped out 300kgs.
maybe not good enough, but at least it would be different AND be closer to the original.

Who me ?

7,455 posts

213 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Waiting for cries of "IT'S NOT A MINI". Someone another post mentioned Maxi. Out of curiosity, I compared measurements and there's inches in it . So perhaps this Mini GT should be compared to the Maxi HL.

SFO

5,169 posts

184 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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Much prefer the simple and clean looks of a MINI One.

white_goodman

4,042 posts

192 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Holy thread resurrection! Somehow this car passed me by and I saw one for the first time the other day and wasn't sure what it was! I assumed it was based on the Cooper but it seems like it's based on the One, so less power but then the 1970s 1275 GT wasn't hotter than a Cooper either, so I guess that makes sense. However, as the owner of an R56 Cooper, I've never been a huge fan of how the F56 MINI looks. It's a bit beaky at the front, the rear lights seem a bit big and the interior has lost a bit of the character of the R56. However, it does supposedly address many of the issues that I have with my R56. It's a bit more spacious in the rear, bigger boot, smoother ride etc. My R56 is getting a little tired and I'm considering replacing it. My first thought was a Fiesta ST. However, the new one is going to be 19k+ and I think the front and rear styling has lost a little crispness. I think that the 5 door actually looks better than the 3 door and I would prefer a 3 door. The old ST is of course cheap and plentiful but I hear that they have a tendency to not be where you left them and being quite common, depreciation over the 2-3 years that I would intend to keep it could be high. The new VW Up GTi is also an option but it seems that there is quite a waiting list and some of the reviews seem to suggest that it's not quite as good as it should have been. Fiat 500 Abarth is the other option and I expect it would be a hoot in a lairy Uno Turbo kind of way but having previously had a 500 (albeit an early 1.2) on the fleet, the handling and ride of the MINI are in a different league.

I actually like the way this 1499 GT looks. The black and gold colour scheme is pretty cool in a 1970s Esprit JPS/Smokey and the Bandit Trans Am kind of way! The JCW body kit, black wheels and JCW interior also enhance the look of the car (and a lot of the appeal of the MINI is in the styling). I get what people are saying about the Cooper/Cooper S being better value but even a basic Cooper S looks a bit s*** both outside and in, so you're going to have to spend the money to get one that looks decent. The comparison between my R56 Cooper and this 1499 GT is an interesting one. My car wins on most of the "Top Trumps" figures (power, top speed, 0-60 etc) but the 1499 GT is actually a bit lighter and has 20% more torque, so I wonder whether it would feel just as lively if not more so? Mine's a fairly basic spec Cooper. It has 16 inch alloys which I don't love the design of (in fact I think I actually prefer the look of it on its black 15 in steelies and winter tyres)! I have faux leather seats but no heaters, so a fairly basic interior, the seats aren't that amazing, although I do like the dash. I love the car but the engine is probably the weakest link. It's happy enough to rev but not as sweet as say a Honda VTEC at high revs and not much get up and go in 5th/6th. With a bit more mid-range turbocharged torque, the 1499 GT might be different and the limited nature of the car ought to mean lowish depreciation. I would probably be sold if it had the "Cooper" level of tune but surely that power can be unlocked through a cheap remap?

TwigtheWonderkid

43,406 posts

151 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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Why buy a low powered Mini and tune it, when there are higher powered Minis to buy?

cerb4.5lee

30,733 posts

181 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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Those figures pretty much mirror the standard 2 litre Cooper S now. Impressive stuff.

Krikkit

26,538 posts

182 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Why buy a low powered Mini and tune it, when there are higher powered Minis to buy?
Because you like the styling, equipment and price of a special edition like this?

TwigtheWonderkid

43,406 posts

151 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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Krikkit said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Why buy a low powered Mini and tune it, when there are higher powered Minis to buy?
Because you like the styling, equipment and price of a special edition like this?
I suppose that's it. Just seems like a load of hassle to reproduce something you can buy off the shelf, with no warranty or insurance grief.

schmalex

13,616 posts

207 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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cerb4.5lee said:
Those figures pretty much mirror the standard 2 litre Cooper S now. Impressive stuff.
A month or so ago, I had a 5,000 mile, 18 plate, Cooper S as a loan car from my BMW dealer while my 5 series was in for a service.

It handled well, but felt flat as a pancake performance wise. It really was quite disappointing overall.

cerb4.5lee

30,733 posts

181 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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schmalex said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Those figures pretty much mirror the standard 2 litre Cooper S now. Impressive stuff.
A month or so ago, I had a 5,000 mile, 18 plate, Cooper S as a loan car from my BMW dealer while my 5 series was in for a service.

It handled well, but felt flat as a pancake performance wise. It really was quite disappointing overall.
I will admit that I wasn't that impressed with the performance at all when I test drove one. I just wanted something a bit smaller and lighter after having a string of heavy Bmw's. I do really enjoy mine on twisty back roads where its more about fun that outright power.

If it was the facelift you drove then I have read a few poor reviews of it, I believe the Turbo has been changed(not for the better), and its also gained 100kg of weight for some crazy reason.

Mine is the pre facelift 2017 model and while its not quick it does feel peppy even at very low revs. I'm used to driving a Mercedes GLC350d though weighing 1890kg, so the Mini always feels light and nimble after I've been in that.

Deep Thought

35,847 posts

198 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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schmalex said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Those figures pretty much mirror the standard 2 litre Cooper S now. Impressive stuff.
A month or so ago, I had a 5,000 mile, 18 plate, Cooper S as a loan car from my BMW dealer while my 5 series was in for a service.

It handled well, but felt flat as a pancake performance wise. It really was quite disappointing overall.
The Sport mode option helps throttle response and steering weight, but the real win is when you either put a decent tuning box on (+54BHP) or a remap(+90BHP) - thats when the fun begins. driving

va1o

16,032 posts

208 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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schmalex said:
A month or so ago, I had a 5,000 mile, 18 plate, Cooper S as a loan car from my BMW dealer while my 5 series was in for a service.

It handled well, but felt flat as a pancake performance wise. It really was quite disappointing overall.
I haven't tried the latest MCS but I've always thought they look a little slow on paper relative to the power and weight

I think the normal Cooper is probably the sweetspot of the range, driven a couple of them and they go very nicely with warm hatch levels of performance. The 1499 GT seemed a little pointless as it costs the same but has a detuned engine.

deltashad

6,731 posts

198 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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I like it. Would definitely appeal to me if I was 18, a girl and had rich parents. This does not apply to me.

mebe

292 posts

144 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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The original was my first car, that one car could have so many coolant related problems was a surprise and an education in swearing.

Was a lot of fun and felt a little special to me at the time.

The new one doesn't look right, there was an image of a square nosed one posted that looks far better.