RE: Porsche Cayman S: Spotted

[Havard22]

FocusRS3 said:

I'm no expert so can only go by the one that's in the classifieds currently with pccb offered at 47.5k
Guess your car has even fewer miles though .personally I'm leaning more towards Pdk these days but that's me

Can I ask why is PDK so appealing. I appreciate it is faster any easier to drive in a traffic jam. I must be old school, and love the feel of a manual gearbox. I would give up a second 0 - 60 just to know that I was doing it myself.

Everyone to their own though. I guess 9/10 Porsches are PDK so there is obviously more demand for them, than a manual.

H.

[FocusRS3]

Havard22 said:

Can I ask why is PDK so appealing. I appreciate it is faster any easier to drive in a traffic jam. I must be old school, and love the feel of a manual gearbox. I would give up a second 0 - 60 just to know that I was doing it myself.

Everyone to their own though. I guess 9/10 Porsches are PDK so there is obviously more demand for them, than a manual.

H.

Nothing more than fancying a change and getting old !

[SidewaysSi]

nickfrog said:

kambites said:

The Cayman was obviously never an out-and-out sports car in the vein of an Elise or Caterham but with each successive generation it's got more touring focused.

From a NVH / comfort / perception point of view, absolutely. As a drivers' car though, my experience of the successive chassis (both owned and driven on track and road) tells me otherwise, it can still do sports car as well as ever (not that there is a definition of the term) and touring, as it's the breadth of its talent that has grown at either ends of that particular spectrum. I have particularly fond memories of a 981 GTS at the Ring, alongside a fellow PH member. It really didn't feel touring focused.

It's a good car but an Elise or Caterham are a lot more focused/fun. I had all 3 at the same time (Cayman GT4, Caterham Superlight and Elise S1 Sport 160) and the Porsche often got left at home when all 3 keys were on the table and I had a few hours to burn.

Depends what you are after and what type of driver you are, but for me, the Lotus is the best all rounder.

[nickfrog]

SidewaysSi said:

nickfrog said:

kambites said:

The Cayman was obviously never an out-and-out sports car in the vein of an Elise or Caterham but with each successive generation it's got more touring focused.

From a NVH / comfort / perception point of view, absolutely. As a drivers' car though, my experience of the successive chassis (both owned and driven on track and road) tells me otherwise, it can still do sports car as well as ever (not that there is a definition of the term) and touring, as it's the breadth of its talent that has grown at either ends of that particular spectrum. I have particularly fond memories of a 981 GTS at the Ring, alongside a fellow PH member. It really didn't feel touring focused.

It's a good car but an Elise or Caterham are a lot more focused/fun. I had all 3 at the same time (Cayman GT4, Caterham Superlight and Elise S1 Sport 160) and the Porsche often got left at home when all 3 keys were on the table and I had a few hours to burn.

Depends what you are after and what type of driver you are, but for me, the Lotus is the best all rounder.

I was talking about the evolution of the Porsche chassis as no doubt the Elise/Caterham is more focused, which for me make them less of all rounders : I could track the Porsches yet not realistically commute in an Elise/Caterham.

[Twinfan]

Havard22 said:

It's a manual. Finding a 3.4, 981 Cayman with a 6 speed is not easy unless you go for a GTS.

It's not easy to find even on a GTS - not many were made! Around 220 S models and 135 GTSs had Spanish gearboxes.

There's currently one manual 981 S and one manual 981 GTS on the Porsche locator - they don't come up for sale very often.

[nickfrog]

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[CABC]

SidewaysSi said:

nickfrog said:

kambites said:

The Cayman was obviously never an out-and-out sports car in the vein of an Elise or Caterham but with each successive generation it's got more touring focused.

From a NVH / comfort / perception point of view, absolutely. As a drivers' car though, my experience of the successive chassis (both owned and driven on track and road) tells me otherwise, it can still do sports car as well as ever (not that there is a definition of the term) and touring, as it's the breadth of its talent that has grown at either ends of that particular spectrum. I have particularly fond memories of a 981 GTS at the Ring, alongside a fellow PH member. It really didn't feel touring focused.

It's a good car but an Elise or Caterham are a lot more focused/fun. I had all 3 at the same time (Cayman GT4, Caterham Superlight and Elise S1 Sport 160) and the Porsche often got left at home when all 3 keys were on the table and I had a few hours to burn.

Depends what you are after and what type of driver you are, but for me, the Lotus is the best all rounder.

that would have been a great driveway to have experienced! To compare and contrast over an extended period of time is one of the great rewards of a multi-car ownership. I would agree with your conclusion, although my GT4 experience was limited to a pax session on track (Cadwell). I think for the Porsche to really shine it would need a big track like Silverstone or the Ring. In the Eifel mountains it would probably be an unbeatable balance of fun, feedback, challange and speed.

[SimonOcean]

I used to have a high spec manual S similar to the white one. After a brief foray into McLaren's world, I now have a GT4. Terrific cars whether GT4 or base 2.7.

[SidewaysSi]

CABC said:

SidewaysSi said:

nickfrog said:

kambites said:

The Cayman was obviously never an out-and-out sports car in the vein of an Elise or Caterham but with each successive generation it's got more touring focused.

From a NVH / comfort / perception point of view, absolutely. As a drivers' car though, my experience of the successive chassis (both owned and driven on track and road) tells me otherwise, it can still do sports car as well as ever (not that there is a definition of the term) and touring, as it's the breadth of its talent that has grown at either ends of that particular spectrum. I have particularly fond memories of a 981 GTS at the Ring, alongside a fellow PH member. It really didn't feel touring focused.

It's a good car but an Elise or Caterham are a lot more focused/fun. I had all 3 at the same time (Cayman GT4, Caterham Superlight and Elise S1 Sport 160) and the Porsche often got left at home when all 3 keys were on the table and I had a few hours to burn.

Depends what you are after and what type of driver you are, but for me, the Lotus is the best all rounder.

that would have been a great driveway to have experienced! To compare and contrast over an extended period of time is one of the great rewards of a multi-car ownership. I would agree with your conclusion, although my GT4 experience was limited to a pax session on track (Cadwell). I think for the Porsche to really shine it would need a big track like Silverstone or the Ring. In the Eifel mountains it would probably be an unbeatable balance of fun, feedback, challange and speed.

Exactly this. The Porsche needed a track to shine. The others just needed a road, which is where 95% of my driving happens. And I can find the limits of those cars quite easily on a Sunday road blast.

Agree the Cayman is the better all rounder, however a GT4 has a low front end and personally I would not be comfortable leaving it parked anywhere which limits it's usability (mine was in Guards).

Spending an afternoon thrashing around in all three was enlightening but for me, the GT4 wasn't the hit the others are, which is probably to be expected and somewhat unfair on the Porsche.

As for the all rounder point, the Elise is cheaper to run, more parkable (I was happier parking and leaving) than the others and had the best blend of thrill and usability. Given they are all 2 seaters, none are massively practical, though appreciate the Cayman has 2 boots.

As for dynamics, my Elise is a highly modded K Series S1 Sport 160 so is a lot more focused than a standard Toyota car. With a quick shift gearchange, induction kit and Larini CS exhaust, it is a real laugh. And of course its feel, handling and communication are a couple of leagues above the GT4, as you would expect.

Next upgrades are a lightweight flywheel, LSD and ultra close ratio gearbox. Can't wait - it will be a ball of energy!

[CABC]

SidewaysSi said:

K Series S1 Sport 160

crappy old 4 pot with just 160bhp? What a PH loser.



I know, one the the best driver's cars of all time. period!
great engine too, very fit for purpose.

[FocusRS3]

Does the CGTS have standard brakes ?

I have standard brakes on my 987 spyder and have to say they are lacking real stopping power

[Maxym]

FocusRS3 said:

Does the CGTS have standard brakes ?

I have standard brakes on my 987 spyder and have to say they are lacking real stopping power

'Fraid so.

[FocusRS3]

Maxym said:

'Fraid so.

Ok so this is where pccb comes in. I guess this issue was addressed with the bigger brakes on the GT4

[Havard22]

Twinfan said:

It's not easy to find even on a GTS - not many were made! Around 220 S models and 135 GTSs had Spanish gearboxes.

There's currently one manual 981 S and one manual 981 GTS on the Porsche locator - they don't come up for sale very often.

I hope this means that it won't depreciate like a falling stone, although Porsche don't as a rule. I was looking for a 991 C2S in manual when this came up at Porsche Leicester and with a 20k saving over what I was looking for, I am still having the Porsche experience.

Only time will tell if there is a demand for a manual 6 cylinder Porsche in a few years time. I am hoping that it will be almost depreciation proof like the Z4M. If not, we will have a bit of fun along the way.

H.

[aaron_2000]

Yipper said:

It's just too slow for a £64k car.

At some point you're gonna get beaten off the traffic lights or roundabout by a £20k Golf R and want to end it all.

The people who get caught up at the lights don't drive a Porsche, they drive a Corsa.

[Ultrafunkula]

These caught my eye about a year ago, I don't think I could push for a 981 S money wise for my next car though so is there much difference between the S and the 2.7 (other than the speed) in manual form?