Should we be getting behind Brexit by boycotting German cars

[SarGara]

RobM77 said:

Given that there are lots of simple plain facts and charts posted, I summise that either you don't mean 'most of the pages', or you must have a dislike of the truth and it makes you feel uncomfortable, and therefore voted leave?

Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 25th October 09:03

There are charts or facts in this reply of yours? Or have you done exactly what i said, proved my point by trying to "point score" when all you've achieved is coming across as a smug git?

[RobM77]

SarGara said:

RobM77 said:

Given that there are lots of simple plain facts and charts posted, I summise that either you don't mean 'most of the pages', or you must have a dislike of the truth and it makes you feel uncomfortable, and therefore voted leave?

Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 25th October 09:03

There are charts or facts in this reply of yours? Or have you done exactly what i said, proved my point by trying to "point score" when all you've achieved is coming across as a smug git?

What reply of mine, I never mentioned one?

[Toltec]

SarGara said:

RobM77 said:

Given that there are lots of simple plain facts and charts posted, I summise that either you don't mean 'most of the pages', or you must have a dislike of the truth and it makes you feel uncomfortable, and therefore voted leave?

Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 25th October 09:03

There are charts or facts in this reply of yours? Or have you done exactly what i said, proved my point by trying to "point score" when all you've achieved is coming across as a smug git?

I thought he was attempting irony, though using the term remoaner pretty much pegged your point of view. There are too many Remaindeers and Brexiteers and not enough leavers and remainers on this topic.

[RobM77]

Toltec said:

SarGara said:

RobM77 said:

Given that there are lots of simple plain facts and charts posted, I summise that either you don't mean 'most of the pages', or you must have a dislike of the truth and it makes you feel uncomfortable, and therefore voted leave?

Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 25th October 09:03

There are charts or facts in this reply of yours? Or have you done exactly what i said, proved my point by trying to "point score" when all you've achieved is coming across as a smug git?

I thought he was attempting irony, though using the term remoaner pretty much pegged your point of view. There are too many Remaindeers and Brexiteers and not enough leavers and remainers on this topic.

Not at all, I was compelled to comment because this thread is actually full of facts and charts, usually calmly presented, so to say that the thread is full of bickering and that nobody comes across as right or wrong is ridiculous. As I said, that would require a complete disregard for those facts and an inability to read and understand things properly, which our friend here not only showed by his first post, but also managed to demonstrate right away in his reply to me

For sure, some people may have had genuine reasons to vote 'leave', and I respect that, but for most people, voting 'leave' simply required an inability to read, understand and research things (i.e. blindly believing all the lies spouted by Farage and posted on social media) and/or the arrogance to think they knew better than the overwhelming consensus of experts in all affected areas, which this guy showed right away.

Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 25th October 11:21

[Funkycoldribena]

RobM77 said:

Not at all, I was compelled to comment because this thread is actually full of facts and charts, usually calmly presented, so to say that the thread is full of bickering and that nobody comes across as right or wrong is ridiculous. As I said, that would require a complete disregard for those facts and an inability to read and understand things properly, which our friend here not only showed by his first post, but also managed to demonstrate right away in his reply to me What an idiot.

For sure, some people may have had genuine reasons to vote 'leave', and I respect that, but for most people, voting 'leave' simply required an inability to read, understand and research things (i.e. blindly believing all the lies spouted by Farage and posted on social media) and/or the arrogance to think they knew better than the overwhelming consensus of experts in all affected areas, which this guy showed right away.

I'm still waiting for the emergency budget...

[wst]

Mr Tidy said:

Bs - the voters in the UK were used and played in the 1974 referendum. Nobody spelled out the full agenda of EU rule - they were lead to believe it was just about free trade!

That's objective BS.

Schuman Declaration 1950 said:

The pooling of coal and steel production should immediately provide for the setting up of common foundations for economic development as a first step in the federation of Europe

The EU was founded as a step towards federalisation and spelled it out almost quarter of a century before the 1974 referendum.

Edited by wst on Wednesday 25th October 11:56

[TooMany2cvs]

Funkycoldribena said:

I'm still waiting for the emergency budget...

Strangely, Osborne didn't have the opportunity to do one, what with having left No 11.

You can bet Hammond's 2016 Autumn Statement took fairly major account of the referendum result.

[RobM77]

TooMany2cvs said:

Funkycoldribena said:

I'm still waiting for the emergency budget...

Strangely, Osborne didn't have the opportunity to do one, what with having left No 11.

You can bet Hammond's 2016 Autumn Statement took fairly major account of the referendum result.

And if course we have a budget every year and we don't currently know the terms by which we're leaving, so planning is impossible. Single Market access and free movement of people will obviously both have an enormous economic impact, and neither are fully decided yet (by fully, I mean down on paper legally).

[Funkycoldribena]

TooMany2cvs said:

Funkycoldribena said:

I'm still waiting for the emergency budget...

Strangely, Osborne didn't have the opportunity to do one, what with having left No 11.

You can bet Hammond's 2016 Autumn Statement took fairly major account of the referendum result.

Still not an emergency budget though however you look at it.

[captain_cynic]

Conversely, if we want Brexit to fail, should we all rush out and buy German cars?

[TooMany2cvs]

Funkycoldribena said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Funkycoldribena said:

I'm still waiting for the emergency budget...

Strangely, Osborne didn't have the opportunity to do one, what with having left No 11.

You can bet Hammond's 2016 Autumn Statement took fairly major account of the referendum result.

Still not an emergency budget though however you look at it.

Four months from him being appointed to the Autumn Statement being presented?

Would it have been a good idea to have lobbed something together on his first afternoon in the job?

[Funkycoldribena]

TooMany2cvs said:

Four months from him being appointed to the Autumn Statement being presented?

Would it have been a good idea to have lobbed something together on his first afternoon in the job?

So because he quit that voids his statement?

[RobM77]

captain_cynic said:

Conversely, if we want Brexit to fail, should we all rush out and buy German cars?

I really don't think it'll make any difference either way

[AW111]

captain_cynic said:

Conversely, if we want Brexit to fail, should we all rush out and buy German cars?

How many Brexiteers are driving a VW / Audi / BMW / Porsche?
If you're right there will be heartache come end of lease for them!

[Toltec]

wst said:

Mr Tidy said:

Bs - the voters in the UK were used and played in the 1974 referendum. Nobody spelled out the full agenda of EU rule - they were lead to believe it was just about free trade!

That's objective BS.

Schuman Declaration 1950 said:

The pooling of coal and steel production should immediately provide for the setting up of common foundations for economic development as a first step in the federation of Europe

The EU was founded as a step towards federalisation and spelled it out almost quarter of a century before the 1974 referendum.

Edited by wst on Wednesday 25th October 11:56

While federation was built in from the beginning, it was not something mentioned to the voters in 1975, we found a leaflet the other month when going through my late MiLs stuff.

[InitialDave]

But do such points of principle about how it was sold to people 40 years ago actually matter, when the question is what we should do now, and the consequences relate to how our present situation will change, not what might have been in an alternate history?

The only reason I'd get behind Brexit is in order to shove it in a nice deep pit where it can be forgotten about.

[CraigyMc]

SarGara said:

RobM77 said:

Given that there are lots of simple plain facts and charts posted, I summise that either you don't mean 'most of the pages', or you must have a dislike of the truth and it makes you feel uncomfortable, and therefore voted leave?

Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 25th October 09:03

There are charts or facts in this reply of yours? Or have you done exactly what i said, proved my point by trying to "point score" when all you've achieved is coming across as a smug git?

Bawk.

[Funkycoldribena]

University indoctrination has a lot to answer for.
Amazing how many think we can't cope without a giant money wasting monolith.

[RobM77]

Funkycoldribena said:

Amazing how many think we can't cope without a giant money wasting monolith.

That's purely your opinion though isn't it? As has been demonstrated on this thread, the amount of money we got off the EU in terms of funding for science, subsidies and projects etc was almost criminal compared to what we put in - we had an astonishingly good deal. And if I may voice my own opinion on this, the EU are not only wiser than our own government over how to spend the money, but they're a lot more efficient too (and that's an opinion gleaned from the inside as well as the outside).

Funkycoldribena said:

University indoctrination has a lot to answer for.

Would you care to expand on that? How are people 'indoctrinated' at Universities?! Personally, I'd guess that the reasons graduates mainly voted 'Remain' were simply:

1) At University you learn humility and respect of experts, and given that most of us aren't experts on the areas affected by Brexit, many of us looked to the consensus of expert opinion.

2) At Uni you get used to researching things and fact checking stuff so you understand it. So, when the lies all started about how the EU works (the membership fee, the unelected bureaucrats claim, the claim that 65% of our laws coming from the EU etc), or the lies on social media (I saw one the other day on the words used in the regs for cabbage sales), we know to be cynical and look up the answers, rather than just believing it.

Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 25th October 16:38

[TooMany2cvs]

RobM77 said:

Funkycoldribena said:

University indoctrination has a lot to answer for.

Would you care to expand on that? How are people 'indoctrinated' at Universities?!

If only Chris Heaton-Harris had had the replies he needed to write his book, then FCR'd know exactly how.