Should we be getting behind Brexit by boycotting German cars
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RobM77 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Amazing how many think we can't cope without a giant money wasting monolith.
That's purely your opinion though isn't it? As has been demonstrated on this thread, the amount of money we got off the EU in terms of funding for science, subsidies and projects etc was almost criminal compared to what we put in - we had an astonishingly good deal. And if I may voice my own opinion on this, the EU are not only wiser than our own government over how to spend the money, but they're a lot more efficient too (and that's an opinion gleaned from the inside as well as the outside).Funkycoldribena said:
University indoctrination has a lot to answer for.
Would you care to expand on that? How are people 'indoctrinated' at Universities?!I suggest you look up how many millions and millions are wasted on failed projects,moving endlessly to Strasbourg and various propaganda.
Funkycoldribena said:
RobM77 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Amazing how many think we can't cope without a giant money wasting monolith.
That's purely your opinion though isn't it? As has been demonstrated on this thread, the amount of money we got off the EU in terms of funding for science, subsidies and projects etc was almost criminal compared to what we put in - we had an astonishingly good deal. And if I may voice my own opinion on this, the EU are not only wiser than our own government over how to spend the money, but they're a lot more efficient too (and that's an opinion gleaned from the inside as well as the outside).Funkycoldribena said:
University indoctrination has a lot to answer for.
Would you care to expand on that? How are people 'indoctrinated' at Universities?!I suggest you look up how many millions and millions are wasted on failed projects,moving endlessly to Strasbourg and various propaganda.
For example, in science we received more than we put in and double the next best funded country: https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-netwo...As for money wasted, have you seen how wasteful the UK government is? Have you not read about all the failed projects they've poured money into? We're far worse than the EU.
RobM77 said:
For sure, some people may have had genuine reasons to vote 'leave', and I respect that, but for most people, voting 'leave' simply required an inability to read, understand and research things (i.e. blindly believing all the lies spouted by Farage and posted on social media) and/or the arrogance to think they knew better than the overwhelming consensus of experts in all affected areas, which this guy showed right away.
I voted leave, don't like Farage and am dead clever. I also know a few other dead clever people who voted leave. We are clearly not like those other thicky leave voters. I have reminded myself of this. It was a farcical moment in the campaign - and yes, of course the Leave bus was ridiculous too.
How these public bodies (and including the BoE) have the bravado to come out with such precise forecasts, given the usually dire accuracy of forecasts
.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...
Economists: there to make astrology look legit.
How these public bodies (and including the BoE) have the bravado to come out with such precise forecasts, given the usually dire accuracy of forecasts
.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...
Economists: there to make astrology look legit.
TooMany2cvs said:
RobM77 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
University indoctrination has a lot to answer for.
Would you care to expand on that? How are people 'indoctrinated' at Universities?!Presumably the University of Life allowed you to avoid them.
limpsfield said:
I have reminded myself of this. It was a farcical moment in the campaign - and yes, of course the Leave bus was ridiculous too.
How these public bodies (and including the BoE) have the bravado to come out with such precise forecasts, given the usually dire accuracy of forecasts
.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...
Economists: there to make astrology look legit.
Did you actually read that reality check article you linked to?How these public bodies (and including the BoE) have the bravado to come out with such precise forecasts, given the usually dire accuracy of forecasts
.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...
Economists: there to make astrology look legit.
RobM77 said:
No, it's not nonsense. Do some research For example, in science we received more than we put in and double the next best funded country: https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-netwo...
As for money wasted, have you seen how wasteful the UK government is? Have you not read about all the failed projects they've poured money into? We're far worse than the EU.
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/?gclid=CjwKCAjw7MDPBRAFEiwAppdF9IDymPtbJc1hHVTsKdjUvvbjNASRO-HlcJG7bOikm2jbTDLcnqs6dhoCWMwQAvD_BwE For example, in science we received more than we put in and double the next best funded country: https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-netwo...As for money wasted, have you seen how wasteful the UK government is? Have you not read about all the failed projects they've poured money into? We're far worse than the EU.
Re:wastage:
Do two wrongs make a right?
Funkycoldribena said:
RobM77 said:
No, it's not nonsense. Do some research For example, in science we received more than we put in and double the next best funded country: https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-netwo...
As for money wasted, have you seen how wasteful the UK government is? Have you not read about all the failed projects they've poured money into? We're far worse than the EU.
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/?gclid=CjwKCAjw7MDPBRAFEiwAppdF9IDymPtbJc1hHVTsKdjUvvbjNASRO-HlcJG7bOikm2jbTDLcnqs6dhoCWMwQAvD_BwE For example, in science we received more than we put in and double the next best funded country: https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-netwo...As for money wasted, have you seen how wasteful the UK government is? Have you not read about all the failed projects they've poured money into? We're far worse than the EU.
Re:wastage:
Do two wrongs make a right?
The point is that we have an extraordinarily good deal, because we receive our fair share of funding compared to other countries; in fact in some areas, such as science, we get way more than other countries. Plus, we get this despite the huge rebate that Margaret Thatcher organised. It was an unreal deal, hard won by years of asking for special treatment.Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 25th October 17:15
Funkycoldribena said:
RobM77 said:
No, it's not nonsense. Do some research For example, in science we received more than we put in and double the next best funded country: https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-netwo...
As for money wasted, have you seen how wasteful the UK government is? Have you not read about all the failed projects they've poured money into? We're far worse than the EU.
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/?gclid=CjwKCAjw7MDPBRAFEiwAppdF9IDymPtbJc1hHVTsKdjUvvbjNASRO-HlcJG7bOikm2jbTDLcnqs6dhoCWMwQAvD_BwE For example, in science we received more than we put in and double the next best funded country: https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-netwo...As for money wasted, have you seen how wasteful the UK government is? Have you not read about all the failed projects they've poured money into? We're far worse than the EU.
Re:wastage:
Do two wrongs make a right?
Check...everything...you...post.
RobM77 said:
Of course the EU requires funding - they're not going to give back more than we put in in total The point is that we have an extraordinarily good deal, because we receive our fair share of funding compared to other countries; in fact in some areas, such as science, we get way more than other countries. Plus, we get this despite the huge rebate that Margaret Thatcher organised. It was an unreal deal, hard won by years of asking for special treatment.
Oh,how generous,let's jump for joy,we get some of our money back. The point is that we have an extraordinarily good deal, because we receive our fair share of funding compared to other countries; in fact in some areas, such as science, we get way more than other countries. Plus, we get this despite the huge rebate that Margaret Thatcher organised. It was an unreal deal, hard won by years of asking for special treatment.Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 25th October 17:15
Stroll on,can't you see how laughable that is.
How about not wasting money on things like Donkeypedia or a Bavarian puppet theatre and give us a little bit more of our money back.
You're a salesman's dream.
RobM77 said:
Of course the EU requires funding - they're not going to give back more than we put in in total The point is that we have an extraordinarily good deal, because we receive our fair share of funding compared to other countries; in fact in some areas, such as science, we get way more than other countries. Plus, we get this despite the huge rebate that Margaret Thatcher organised. It was an unreal deal, hard won by years of asking for special treatment.
So if they don’t give back more than we put in, is the difference £350 million a week? The point is that we have an extraordinarily good deal, because we receive our fair share of funding compared to other countries; in fact in some areas, such as science, we get way more than other countries. Plus, we get this despite the huge rebate that Margaret Thatcher organised. It was an unreal deal, hard won by years of asking for special treatment.Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 25th October 17:15
If so I suggest we spend it on the NHS...
InitialDave said:
But do such points of principle about how it was sold to people 40 years ago actually matter, when the question is what we should do now, and the consequences relate to how our present situation will change, not what might have been in an alternate history?
The only reason I'd get behind Brexit is in order to shove it in a nice deep pit where it can be forgotten about.
There is the obvious-The only reason I'd get behind Brexit is in order to shove it in a nice deep pit where it can be forgotten about.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana
That of course cuts both ways in this argument given federalisation was a means to prevent war, then again we also also have clear indications of the results of forcing populations together.
Specifically I meant the sense that politicians were economical with the truth to get the result they wanted and they* then made sure we did not have any further input even when it became clear that we had not just joined trade organisation.
* Pick your favourite conspirators
TooMany2cvs said:
Strangely, Osborne didn't have the opportunity to do one, what with having left No 11.
You can bet Hammond's 2016 Autumn Statement took fairly major account of the referendum result.
I'm still waiting for an 18% drop in house prices.You can bet Hammond's 2016 Autumn Statement took fairly major account of the referendum result.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/20/e...
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