Should we be getting behind Brexit by boycotting German cars
Discussion
TooMany2cvs said:
No, the thing that Brexiteers don't like is Johnny Foreigner not letting us have our cake and eat it. If they can't have it all their way, they'll take their ball back and sulk, unable to understand why they can't simply rely on being first to market and then resting on laurels - instead, Johnny Foreigner gets off his arse and simply does it better. Despicable b
d that he is.
Re the car production figures, I think UK sales have increased 3 fold since 1970 and the global market has increased 4 fold. So although the production numbers being flat isn’t a disaster, it is a clear sign of reducing position in the market (domestic and global).d that he is.The Johnny Foreigner thing, you may well be right but it equates to globalisation as in they don’t like the reality of global market forces. But then it’s notable that different countries protect different industries so maybe it depends which sector you work in with respect to if you’re the right side of the win / lose equation. And it isn’t really a free market anyway as there is political tampering everywhere. What’s the ultimate conclusion of a genuine free global market - common pay rates for everyone everywhere, there is a long way to go and it’s a long slow painful journey for Mr average in the West.
I don’t blame Brexit voters, there was an attempt to manipulate them by Cameron and Juncker, they were mislead by Boris and abandoned by May and Corbyn. There should be legal consequences for false promises in elections and referendums then these dishonest b
ds would be held to account. You can say the voters should know better, but of course they don’t all have the benefit of the business / economics education that some of us and these politicians do. That’s where the real shame resides, Cameron, Juncker and everyone who’s touched it since.Don’t boycott any cars at the moment - hold these f
kers accountable for what they have created.Stick Legs said:
Nope. You were right the first time.
I am no fan of a Federal Europe, but as an alternative to the past of isolationism and bi and tri partite agreements it has a lot to be said for it.
This country has pockets of stupidity like any other. I’m as astounded at the “UK is crap” talk in the same way I am the “we are Great Britain” talk... different sides of the same coin. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle.I am no fan of a Federal Europe, but as an alternative to the past of isolationism and bi and tri partite agreements it has a lot to be said for it.
But I 100% agree your last comment. That’s why I hold Juncker and Cameron more responsible than anyone else, they had the chance to steer us through this to a sensible middle ground and managed to piss it away. Juncker would rather risk it all to avoid slowing his federal dream. And Cameron would roll this dice to try and silence a dissenting section of the electorate.... Should be criminal what they both did.
JD66 said:
I never tend to buy new cars so will buy whatever is the best value for its condition. If I was buying a new car though Id buy Japanese, they're reliable, they're mostly made in Britain and the countries that make them aren't trying to stiff us for money we don't owe.
Shouldn't buy Japanese cars... They put Alec Guinness in a box you know, Burma railroad etc etc...
kambites said:
It'll be interesting to see what happens to German car sales when, assuming the Tories continue to be so utterly incompetent, we revert to standard WTO duties and their prices go up 10% overnight. I rather suspect it'll make very little difference to their sales.
It'll be equally interesting to see what happens to all the car factories in the UK.
There is no standard tariff, 10% is the EU tariff for 3rd country imports. UK could choose to have cars zero rated if we wanted to post Brexit, which makes cars built outside the EU such as Japanese or USA significantly cheaper. That would also mean EU produced cars won't be more expensive than currently. It'll be equally interesting to see what happens to all the car factories in the UK.
When we leave the EU the UK will set our import tariff rates so products that currently have high tariff rates under the EU customs union rates could become much lower cost.
The choice will be entirely ours.
If we leave the EU with no deal then it would be the EU buyer that will be hit with higher costs, unless the EU decide to revise their own rates.
Nickbrapp said:
The issue is in this country, we are just a bit crap. Most things we make just don't compare to other parts of the world, especially mass market cars. British layland wrote its own death by making crap products, and we constantly go on strike when we think we are hard done by
It could be worse, the UK government could have propped up BL for another 40 years using taxpayer money because of the belief we _HAVE_ to keep making cars here and kept making crappy cars that cant sell elsewhere.We dont have to worry about boycotting EU made cars after brexit because practically no-one will have the money to buy them anyway.
powerstroke said:
Good how Brexit has made people think , shaken some ivory towers and with a bit of luck reset the balance a little bit in favour of the people who want to work and get on, I think its a very positive thing for all the peoples of Europe not just the UK...
Truly deluded.berlintaxi said:
powerstroke said:
Good how Brexit has made people think , shaken some ivory towers and with a bit of luck reset the balance a little bit in favour of the people who want to work and get on, I think its a very positive thing for all the peoples of Europe not just the UK...
Truly deluded.powerstroke said:
So Brexit hasn't been a shock to the smug ,the selfserving the I'm alright jacks or the career politicians on both sides of the channel ???
It has been a wake up call to them.... But they will be the ones to suffer least, they will look after their own interests and have the power and finances to ensure they will find some personal opportunities. It is the 'normal' people who will pay the price.If we boycott any european/foreign car we endanger jobs of folk in the UK dealers, mechanics, suppliers etc...
The European Referendum was led on lies and deceit and that is why it is proving difficult to get to a resolution that keeps trade continuing as it was before without tariffs and high taxation
Boycott of German cars is just ridiculous and smacks of the tripe that led the campaign to leave in the first place of which most who voted to leave will be long gone when it possibly happens
Build Bridges Not Fences
The European Referendum was led on lies and deceit and that is why it is proving difficult to get to a resolution that keeps trade continuing as it was before without tariffs and high taxation
Boycott of German cars is just ridiculous and smacks of the tripe that led the campaign to leave in the first place of which most who voted to leave will be long gone when it possibly happens
Build Bridges Not Fences
FWIW said:
Spoken like a true remoaner. Note the liberal use of phrases like “the reality is” etc.
The reality is that you have no better idea about what’s going to happen than anyone else, yet you put forward opinion and assumption as if it were fact.
I bet you even think that word is an insult.The reality is that you have no better idea about what’s going to happen than anyone else, yet you put forward opinion and assumption as if it were fact.
powerstroke said:
Good how Brexit has made people think , shaken some ivory towers and with a bit of luck reset the balance a little bit in favour of the people who want to work and get on, I think its a very positive thing for all the peoples of Europe not just the UK...
Ha!The irony is that nearly every bit of legislation we have that actually benefits the average working man or woman, from H&S to employment protection laws to clean beaches to take the kids, has come from Europe. Certainly not from UK governments. Yet is was just those people who voted to leave.
Summer 2016 will be remembered for two things, Kicked out of the Euros by Iceland, and voted out of Europe by people who shop in Iceland.
TooMany2cvs said:
Hungrymc said:
TooMany2cvs said:
otolith said:
Yeah, it's basically an act of charity to go to all that trouble to sell 20% of their cars to us at all. But that's German industry for you, so sentimental.
Don't over-egg it... 14% of production - 18% of exports.
https://fullfact.org/europe/german-cars-uk/
They won’t lose them all, depends on the levels of import duty in a ‘no deal’ situation.
But the point is that it will hurt everyone. UK manufacturers will also lose lots of export sales. It has every chance of being a lose - lose result.
57.5% of UK car production is exported to other EU countries...
https://www.smmt.co.uk/2016/01/best-year-in-a-deca...
They need us more than we need them, my arse.
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