Should we be getting behind Brexit by boycotting German cars
Discussion
Pan Pan Pan said:
HM-2 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
That would be your opinion, like other`s opinions including mine, it would not necessarily be correct.
Levels of political engagement across the board in 1975 were far higher than they are in 2016. Sadly there's not a great deal of data around political knowledge specifically, though. The Brexit-backing Brits in Spain clearly didn't know what the consequences would be. The Brexit-backing businessman with the glass eel fishing business in Gloucestershire now facing bankruptcy didn't know what he was voting for. The Brexit backing live seafood exporter crying that their lorry has been delayed by red tape didn't know.
I guess. It's a fair point to say that they were told this would happen and didn't believe it, so should have known.
I guess. It's a fair point to say that they were told this would happen and didn't believe it, so should have known.
Magnum 475 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Not really, In 2016 the people of the UK had multiple TV news channels, Multiple news papers, the internet, and over 40 years of actual experience of what being in an EU meant for the UK and its people on which to base their vote, In 1975 there were only 4 TV channels, a few tabloid / /broadsheet news papers, and no internet.
It would seem the information available in 2016, on which to base a vote, on either remaining or leaving the EU was vastly greater, than what was available to the public in 1975. making the 2016 vote vastly more informed, accurate and reliable than the one in 1975
Of course, what we actually had in 2016 was multiple routes for certain less scrupulous campaign organizations to spread their lies more easily. This certainly did not equate to a better informed electorate. Need I remind everyone of the roles played by Cambridge Analytica and Aggregate IQ??It would seem the information available in 2016, on which to base a vote, on either remaining or leaving the EU was vastly greater, than what was available to the public in 1975. making the 2016 vote vastly more informed, accurate and reliable than the one in 1975
SidewaysSi said:
ddom said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
So are you saying that no matter how informed, or under informed the people are, they will always make more or less the same sort of decision, and consequently there is no point in informing them on any matters?
Well when the some, when armed with all this media believes;1. Boycotting German cars would be a thing
2. We actually really are saving £350M per week
I can't see the point of any more information
I was going to buy a Bosch dishwasher but saw this thread and decided I would just get the kids to do it instead. Now who's the winner?!
Pan Pan Pan said:
Killboy said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Not really, In 2016 the people of the UK had multiple TV news channels, Multiple news papers, the internet, and over 40 years of actual experience of what being in an EU meant for the UK and its people on which to base their vote, In 1975 there were only 4 TV channels, a few tabloid / /broadsheet news papers, and no internet.
It would seem the information available in 2016, on which to base a vote, on either remaining or leaving the EU was vastly greater, than what was available to the public in 1975. making the 2016 vote vastly more informed, accurate and reliable than the one in 1975
Yeah, look at how well informed people are about vaccinations. It would seem the information available in 2016, on which to base a vote, on either remaining or leaving the EU was vastly greater, than what was available to the public in 1975. making the 2016 vote vastly more informed, accurate and reliable than the one in 1975
Take the Brexit bus for example
otolith said:
The Brexit-backing Brits in Spain clearly didn't know what the consequences would be. The Brexit-backing businessman with the glass eel fishing business in Gloucestershire now facing bankruptcy didn't know what he was voting for. The Brexit backing live seafood exporter crying that their lorry has been delayed by red tape didn't know.
I guess. It's a fair point to say that they were told this would happen and didn't believe it, so should have known.
Hey, they got what they voted for. I hope they enjoy their winnings.I guess. It's a fair point to say that they were told this would happen and didn't believe it, so should have known.
SidewaysSi said:
I was going to buy a Bosch dishwasher but saw this thread and decided I would just get the kids to do it instead. Now who's the winner?!
Killboy said:
If people were all given the same "facts" in the same way, I'm sure people would largely agree on things. However, when "facts" are willingly targeted to suit people's preconceived notions and/or ideas, and designed to illicit some sort of emotional response, I'm not sure people are then really well informed. This is further compounded by the feeling that they are informed because they have a "source" of data giving them "facts" and validating their beliefs.
Take the Brexit bus for example
Just as well that you are not sure; it is a fact that illicit does not have the same meaning as elicit. Take the Brexit bus for example
You are now as well informed as a leaver who has experienced Britain as an independent nation, a member of the EEC, and a member of the EU.
Life here was good, and improving post WW2, right up until the mid 1970s, when everything went into decline for the majority of the people. Pure coincidence?
Oh, and we freely travelled throughout non Iron Curtain parts of Europe before we joined the EEC.
Sahjahd said:
Just as well that you are not sure; it is a fact that illicit does not have the same meaning as elicit.
You are now as well informed as a leaver who has experienced Britain as an independent nation, a member of the EEC, and a member of the EU.
Life here was good, and improving post WW2, right up until the mid 1970s, when everything went into decline for the majority of the people. Pure coincidence?
Oh, and we freely travelled throughout non Iron Curtain parts of Europe before we joined the EEC.
I think you may find life has somewhat improved since the 70s. You are now as well informed as a leaver who has experienced Britain as an independent nation, a member of the EEC, and a member of the EU.
Life here was good, and improving post WW2, right up until the mid 1970s, when everything went into decline for the majority of the people. Pure coincidence?
Oh, and we freely travelled throughout non Iron Curtain parts of Europe before we joined the EEC.
But let’s see, maybe things go back to how they were in the 70s pre the great decline. It would be beautiful actually. I’m sure the divide would not grow. Much.
Orangecurry said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
HM-2 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
That would be your opinion, like other`s opinions including mine, it would not necessarily be correct.
Levels of political engagement across the board in 1975 were far higher than they are in 2016. Sadly there's not a great deal of data around political knowledge specifically, though. Pan Pan Pan said:
Orangecurry said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
HM-2 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
That would be your opinion, like other`s opinions including mine, it would not necessarily be correct.
Levels of political engagement across the board in 1975 were far higher than they are in 2016. Sadly there's not a great deal of data around political knowledge specifically, though. Kent Border Kenny said:
ddom said:
Well when the some, when armed with all this media believes;
1. Boycotting German cars would be a thing
2. We actually really are saving £350M per week
I can't see the point of any more information
What do you think the net saving is on our contribution?1. Boycotting German cars would be a thing
2. We actually really are saving £350M per week
I can't see the point of any more information
He thought the net value is not impressive enough for campaigning. Looks like he's still thinking.
He will get back to you with maybe sunlit uplands, ok?
Kent Border Kenny said:
ddom said:
Well when the some, when armed with all this media believes;
1. Boycotting German cars would be a thing
2. We actually really are saving £350M per week
I can't see the point of any more information
What do you think the net saving is on our contribution?1. Boycotting German cars would be a thing
2. We actually really are saving £350M per week
I can't see the point of any more information
TwigtheWonderkid said:
LuS1fer said:
IWe'll probably be doing them a favour, as they will be able to cut down on their RHD production. .
Do you think Germany is building right hand drive cars as a favour to the UK? 🙈You don’t think they’ve done some maths and figured out that with 10% of their exports going to UK, it’s just possibly worth their while.
HM-2 said:
Less than zero when you factor in the cost of border checks, tarrifs on services, et cetera.
That’s not the net contribution, it’s the net benefit.The net contribution refers to funds paid in and funds received back.
The suggestion is that that’s not up around £350m per week now, but I think More or Less on the BBC mentioned a whole back that it’s actually grown now to the margin £350m number from the less than £200m it was when the bus was doing the rounds.
Kent Border Kenny said:
HM-2 said:
Less than zero when you factor in the cost of border checks, tarrifs on services, et cetera.
That’s not the net contribution, it’s the net benefit.The net contribution refers to funds paid in and funds received back.
The suggestion is that that’s not up around £350m per week now, but I think More or Less on the BBC mentioned a whole back that it’s actually grown now to the margin £350m number from the less than £200m it was when the bus was doing the rounds.
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