RE: New GTS model for Porsche 718

[ooid]

Guvernator said:

What would I have for £60k? I'd be straight down to Lotus for an Exige. Better handling, nicer looking and it's got a proper cylinder count. It's not that long ago where you could ever imagine a Lotus having a better engine then a Porsche sportscar. Strange world we live in now.

Well, you could still get this spyder + full OPC Warranty.



Or much affordable versions of 987 or 986 with brand new hot-hatch daily, or crisp 981 and etc depending on personal needs... but today Ph'ers have some serious reading and understanding difficulties about "over-priced car" which I won't bother to respond.

[shoestring7]

ooid said:

Guvernator said:

What would I have for £60k? I'd be straight down to Lotus for an Exige. Better handling, nicer looking and it's got a proper cylinder count. It's not that long ago where you could ever imagine a Lotus having a better engine then a Porsche sportscar. Strange world we live in now.

Well, you could still get this spyder + full OPC Warranty.



Or much affordable versions of 987 or 986 with brand new hot-hatch daily, or crisp 981 and etc depending on personal needs... but today Ph'ers have some serious reading and understanding difficulties about "over-priced car" which I won't bother to respond.

Porsche new car warranty is three years. Its extendable up to 13 years/125k miles but is expensive (~£750 p.a?).

SS7

[Ares]

ooid said:

Guvernator said:

What would I have for £60k? I'd be straight down to Lotus for an Exige. Better handling, nicer looking and it's got a proper cylinder count. It's not that long ago where you could ever imagine a Lotus having a better engine then a Porsche sportscar. Strange world we live in now.

Well, you could still get this spyder + full OPC Warranty.



Or much affordable versions of 987 or 986 with brand new hot-hatch daily, or crisp 981 and etc depending on personal needs... but today Ph'ers have some serious reading and understanding difficulties about "over-priced car" which I won't bother to respond.

All this says that there is nothing that can compete with a 718 GTS, as the only options are used cars (and for £60k I'd go for a 991 S or V8 Vantage - talk about proper engines )

[Guvernator]

Ares said:

The Exige is amazing....I had one as a daily driver for 2 years....but it isn't really a Boxster competitor IMO. It's a stripped out, raw sports car. Comparatively few Boxster owners would realistically consider an Exige as an alternative (and vice versa....I certainly didn't). You could claim the Caterham is an alternative too.

Have you sat in the new one? OK it's still no Porsche but it's A LOT better than it was and a far cry from a Caterham. Plus if the point of a 2 seater sports car is to thrill, then for me it's the better option. Yes the Porsche is still nicer to sit inside but the gap has closed considerably and the downgrade of the engine in the Porsche is just a step too far for me. As someone else said, at £40k the standard Cayman\Boxster is still a bargain and you can forgive it the less exciting engine, at £60k, not so much.

[Ares]

anonymous said:

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Buy a 360 from the right place it will have a 12 months warranty...ditto every other car. It just shows that as soon as you start comparing new with old, you lose all sense of commonality.

How old is too old to be seen as a justifiable comparison with a brand new car? 2 months? 12 months? 24 months? How about 24 months but with 30,000 miles on the clock? Or 10 years old with 5,000 miles on the clock?

But it boils down to the fact that with no real car that can be deemed better than the 718 GTS, like-for-like/under £60k, it can't be that bad.

[Itsallicanafford]

Ares said:

What would you have instead?

A BMW M4

[Ares]

Guvernator said:

Ares said:

The Exige is amazing....I had one as a daily driver for 2 years....but it isn't really a Boxster competitor IMO. It's a stripped out, raw sports car. Comparatively few Boxster owners would realistically consider an Exige as an alternative (and vice versa....I certainly didn't). You could claim the Caterham is an alternative too.

Have you sat in the new one? OK it's still no Porsche but it's A LOT better than it was and a far cry from a Caterham. Plus if the point of a 2 seater sports car is to thrill, then for me it's the better option. Yes the Porsche is still nicer to sit inside but the gap has closed considerably and the downgrade of the engine in the Porsche is just a step too far for me. As someone else said, at £40k the standard Cayman\Boxster is still a bargain and you can forgive it the less exciting engine, at £60k, not so much.

Yes, it is a lot better. But it's still a country gap from a Boxster. How many new Boxster are daily drivers and how many regularly go on track. How does that differ from a Exige? (a lot!)

The Evora would be a lot closer....but that starts at 20% more expensive.

[Ares]

anonymous said:

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True...but comparing a 250bhp hot hatch with a 360bhp mid-engined soft top is a bit of a left turn!

[Ares]

Itsallicanafford said:

Ares said:

What would you have instead?

A BMW M4

Good call. Can't compete dynamically (or sensorially) with a MR soft-top carrying 200kg less weight though.

[Itsallicanafford]

Ares said:

Itsallicanafford said:

Ares said:

What would you have instead?

A BMW M4

Good call. Can't compete dynamically (or sensorially) with a MR soft-top carrying 200kg less weight though.

Mmmh, not so sure, a competition pack M4 with DCT, 444bhp, 4.0 to 60, 1400kg odd, on a track (especially a power track) I just couldn't see the Porsche living with that or Might be close enough for the better driver to make the difference..

[Pinball]

I’ve recently got a 718 Cayman. The only other car of interest was an M4. Wasn’t interested in the 981 for several reasons, mainly elements of styling and tech plus I wanted to buy new. I’m sure price wise there’s a point for making comparisons to what’s available second hand within that price tag, however, I do wish comparisons were also levelled at what’s available new. In this day and age of downsizing and turbocharging, plenty of manufactures seem to be presenting 4 cylinder cars at a premium price.

[Ares]

Itsallicanafford said:

Ares said:

Itsallicanafford said:

Ares said:

What would you have instead?

A BMW M4

Good call. Can't compete dynamically (or sensorially) with a MR soft-top carrying 200kg less weight though.

Mmmh, not so sure, a competition pack M4 with DCT, 444bhp, 4.0 to 60, 1400kg odd, on a track (especially a power track) I just couldn't see the Porsche living with that or Might be close enough for the better driver to make the difference..

I had an M3 CP for a weekend when I was changing my car. It's great (it's a lot closer to 1600kg that 1400kg though, even more if you are comparing soft-top!).....and it's a great car, will almost certainly be quicker in a straight line and round a track there may not be much in it....but a lighter, nimbler, mid-engined car will give the sensory and dynamic edge.

[Ares]

Pinball said:

I’ve recently got a 718 Cayman. The only other car of interest was an M4. Wasn’t interested in the 981 for several reasons, mainly elements of styling and tech plus I wanted to buy new. I’m sure price wise there’s a point for making comparisons to what’s available second hand within that price tag, however, I do wish comparisons were also levelled at what’s available new. In this day and age of downsizing and turbocharging, plenty of manufactures seem to be presenting 4 cylinder cars at a premium price.

Exactly, and it doesn't always mean the whole car is ruined. Too many discount the car at the first hurdle.

[nickfrog]

I actually find the 4-pot power delivery made the chassis shine even brighter as the 6-pot was so user friendly it didn't actually challenge the chassis in the traction zones as much. It's not quite as good as the I6 overall and won't compete orally (is that a word ?) but the end result for me is just different, worse in some ways, better in others. It's still the default all rounder sports car for me, 4 or 6 cylinders.

[Ares]

nickfrog said:

I actually find the 4-pot power delivery made the chassis shine even brighter as the 6-pot was so user friendly it didn't actually challenge the chassis in the traction zones as much. It's not quite as good as the I6 overall and won't compete orally (is that a word ?) but the end result for me is just different, worse in some ways, better in others. It's still the default all rounder sports car for me, 4 or 6 cylinders.

I think you may be audibly, not orally.....unless you have a very unusual relationship with your cars


....but beyond that, you are spot on!

[Jefferson Steelflex]

Bit late to this, but I was planning on playing “718 Bingo” and I almost have a full house.

Anyway I was never that big on noise, always thought it was a bit of a pointless issue and I had a 718 on order (as if to prove it). I ended up vpcancelling that and got ia 996, and the noise it makes, especially that 1st to 2nd gear rasp, is something else. I’m converted.

No idea if the 718GTS will have a different enough sound to satisfy some people.

[Carl_Manchester]

Guvernator said:

What would I have for £60k? I'd be straight down to Lotus for an Exige. Better handling, nicer looking and it's got a proper cylinder count. It's not that long ago where you could ever imagine a Lotus having a better engine then a Porsche sportscar. Strange world we live in now.

Exige is a great car if you drive alone or are single and have the odd passenger who can appreciate what it is.

For anything else the boxster has always had it licked, even with this 4-pot version.

[Itsallicanafford]

Ares said:

Itsallicanafford said:

Ares said:

Itsallicanafford said:

Ares said:

What would you have instead?

A BMW M4

Good call. Can't compete dynamically (or sensorially) with a MR soft-top carrying 200kg less weight though.

Mmmh, not so sure, a competition pack M4 with DCT, 444bhp, 4.0 to 60, 1400kg odd, on a track (especially a power track) I just couldn't see the Porsche living with that or Might be close enough for the better driver to make the difference..

I had an M3 CP for a weekend when I was changing my car. It's great (it's a lot closer to 1600kg that 1400kg though, even more if you are comparing soft-top!).....and it's a great car, will almost certainly be quicker in a straight line and round a track there may not be much in it....but a lighter, nimbler, mid-engined car will give the sensory and dynamic edge.

I'm having a great daydream track battle between the M4 and the GTS while I am stirring my risotto...I'm in the M4, GTS behind. Starting at la source, the GTS is right up my trumpet at the top of Radillion, by the end of the Kemmel I've pulled a couple of lengths clear but he's right up my chuff by Pouhon, I need some more straights quick!

[ooid]

anonymous said:

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Funny, how some people responds to GOLF, without even knowing Clubsport's recent Nürburgring performance, and it's main developers/engineers behind who happened to be formerly developing Porsche GT cars.

[FocusRS3]

Much prefer the 981 although the extra power of the 718 GTS is appealing .

Appreciate its not all about outright power but the 981 at 350HP would have been nice to have.

Cars are hanging about at the moment and at 60k the 981 is expensive IMO. I viewed the car at RPM 3 months ago and it's since been reduced and is still there.

I think 55 is a 'fair' price for that car , dealer bid is 50k as I asked JZM