RE: Lotus Evora GT430: Driven
Discussion
Hungrymc said:
I agree, that's why I can't see myself buying a 8 year old Gallardo. Its not the resale (I don't think you could lose actually) but its maintaining a well used one to appropriate standards. I'm sure it would be 4 or 5 times the maintenance costs of my 911 and that would put a dent in my enjoyment hence I'd start seeing it as a trinket to cherish and not a sports car. I've started to think of the Gallardo as a very modern classic as it's looks are aging quickly at the moment.
Looks are of course subjective, perfectly reasonable to want a car you find very pleasing and I appreciate the Evora divides opinion. Am sure most would enjoy how they drive, but the looks either work for you or they don't.
Yes I always knew that it would have been a completely different ownership prospect from a financial point of view to anything I've previously owned and it may well have had an impact on how I used it but I was at least going to go into it with the same attitude I've always had.Looks are of course subjective, perfectly reasonable to want a car you find very pleasing and I appreciate the Evora divides opinion. Am sure most would enjoy how they drive, but the looks either work for you or they don't.
Back to the Evora though. I'm not really a fan of big wings but somehow this looks a bit naked and less well balanced as a design without it when you look at the Sport version. The colour of this test car really suits it as well, it manages to make the car look a bit more classy as oppose to being a straight track refugee as most do. The interior looks a nice place to be as well.
Europa1 said:
lestiq said:
LotusOmega375D said:
3 weeks maybe...;)
Oh really?! What do you know, do tell!!!!I bought a V6 Exige early last year, 2 weeks later the Sport 350 came out, then the 360, and now the 380.
Since then, there has been the Evora S, Evora GTE, Evora 400, Evora 410, Evora 430
Same goes for the Elises,
Damn, i love their cars though!
I dont know whether to replace my peasant spec Exige next year with the newest one, or an Evora 400. Tough choices!
sidesauce said:
Whether that's true or not is based on two things. Firstly, if Lotus made as many cars as Porsche, maybe that metric would be different? Secondly, it doesn't matter if the world at large doesn't perceive it to be the case. Porsche's 'real-world' reputation isn't one of unreliability. Lotus's infamous acronym 'Lots Of Trouble, Ususally Serious' exists for a reason...
Pricey options, reliability suspect, compromised haptics expected.Edited by sidesauce on Thursday 19th October 09:16
SWoll said:
Audemars said:
sidesauce said:
Whether that's true or not is based on two things. Firstly, if Lotus made as many cars as Porsche, maybe that metric would be different? Secondly, it doesn't matter if the world at large doesn't perceive it to be the case. Porsche's 'real-world' reputation isn't one of unreliability. Lotus's infamous acronym 'Lots Of Trouble, Ususally Serious' exists for a reason...
That acronym is from people who are clueless about cars. Lotus engines are toyota engines so they are probably the most reliable sports/supercars cars out there.Edited by sidesauce on Thursday 19th October 09:16
Simple people think German cars are the most reliable and the most prestigious. How wrong can they be.
My Evora is my daily driver, there are no reliability issues, there is the odd niggle (headlights peeling) but those have been sorted under warranty.
My car lives outside in all weathers, is driven in the snow with winter tyres on, it basically is as useable in reliability terms as any daily driver I have had including Subaru, top end Audi, BMW's etc
Johnspex said:
stuckmojo said:
That looks gorgeous. Happy that Lotus revisited that terrible front end on the other Evoras. I used to like the original clean design and always thought the restyling ruined the car. This front end is perfect. Please put it on the other cars too
That's funny because to me they're just not "right". Discounting that it is undoubtedly fantastic to drive, it's just not beautiful to me. Lotuses always look a bit cheaply designed and I'm only talking about the body and I know you don't look at the body from the driver's seat but they just don't tug at the heart strings like a Ferrari.blueg33 said:
70k miles on my first Evora and 35k miles on my current one. The only electrical failure was a door lock solenoid, now replaced with a redesigned part. Sensors and ECU are all fine.
My Evora is my daily driver, there are no reliability issues, there is the odd niggle (headlights peeling) but those have been sorted under warranty.
My car lives outside in all weathers, is driven in the snow with winter tyres on, it basically is as useable in reliability terms as any daily driver I have had including Subaru, top end Audi, BMW's etc
When I had one, it developed the same solenoid fault; other than that, went like clockwork. It was certainly rapid enough, handled and rode as well as you'd expect a Lotus would (much better ride than the then-squeeze's Audi), very comfortable seats, and the cabin was a nice place to be. My Evora is my daily driver, there are no reliability issues, there is the odd niggle (headlights peeling) but those have been sorted under warranty.
My car lives outside in all weathers, is driven in the snow with winter tyres on, it basically is as useable in reliability terms as any daily driver I have had including Subaru, top end Audi, BMW's etc
blueg33 said:
Breaking news. People prepared to buy cars for £30k less than they are worth. 
Not really. More of a comment about a vehicle which was £48K when launched that has now morphed into a £72K base model and £113K cooking version. £40K+ for the cooking version is quite a hike; about 60% more.What something costs and what it is worth are quite different too. £113K is pretty punchy. Within touching distance of a 540C.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 19th October 17:37
milesr3 said:
£40K+ for the cooking version is quite a hike; about 60% more.
Out of interest, how do the comparable 911s compare in percentage terms. How much more is a GT3RS than a C2? The value spread of a single range is always an interesting one. Making a car car worth that much more than a lower end version of the same model is always tricky.
milesr3 said:
What something costs and what it is worth are quite different too. £113K is pretty punchy. Within touching distance of a 540C.
where does this end?in the used market some cars have doubled in the last few years as they have gotten older.
in the new market there are plenty of odd comparisons, especially over 100k.
Define "worth".
you could argue that an MX5 is massively good value. in fact it so cheap that many on here discount it.
Personally i look at TCO and decide for myself. i make odd choices!
milesr3 said:
Not really. More of a comment about a vehicle which was £48K when launched that has now morphed into a £72K base model and £113K cooking version. £40K+ for the cooking version is quite a hike; about 60% more.
What something costs and what it is worth are quite different too. £113K is pretty punchy. Within touching distance of a 540C.
Genuine question: doesn’t the term Cooking Version mean the bog standard model? By the way you could buy a new 911 for a couple of grand or so when they came out. Not really a relevant comparison, is it? Same goes for this Evora.What something costs and what it is worth are quite different too. £113K is pretty punchy. Within touching distance of a 540C.
kambites said:
How much more is a GT3RS than a C2?
Good question. It's £76K for a base Carrera versus £112K for a regular GT3 isn't it? Remarkably similar to the jump from 400 to GT430.I would feel quite contented handing over the extra £36K for that fantastic engine. Hypothetically of course.
kambites said:
LotusOmega375D said:
Genuine question: doesn’t the term Cooking Version mean the bog standard model?
Usually, yes. Comes from the term "cooking wine", I think.Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 19th October 17:56
milesr3 said:
Not really. More of a comment about a vehicle which was £48K when launched that has now morphed into a £72K base model and £113K cooking version. £40K+ for the cooking version is quite a hike; about 60% more.
What something costs and what it is worth are quite different too. £113K is pretty punchy. Within touching distance of a 540C.
So prices have increased over 10 years along with power etc. Its not a surprise it happens across pretty much all sports cars. That doesn't mean that £113k is too much. Plus they have dold plenty and had to offer more slots. What something costs and what it is worth are quite different too. £113K is pretty punchy. Within touching distance of a 540C.
Edited by milesr3 on Thursday 19th October 17:37
blueg33 said:
Breaking news. People prepared to buy cars for £30k less than they are worth.
As a 410 owner you get an awful lot of performance. I took it round the track only a second slower than the 458 Speciale that I drove on the same day. The 430 is an extra £30k which is a lot of cash to me (and most people) but you do get loads of carbon, an even lower moment of turning inertia, more grip, greater high speed stability and even better brakes. It must be an absolute riot on track.BTW I chose Lotus over Porsche because it is British and I like the image. It says that you care about driving and handling. Too many Porsches are bought by people who want to make a statement that they have succeeded - which is a shame for those Petrolheads that bought them because they are excellent sports cars. Each to their own
blueg33 said:
So prices have increased over 10 years along with power etc.
That wasn't my point. I think the original Evora was worth £48K in 2009. I think that the 400 was probably worth £72K in 2015. I don't think that the GT430 is worth £31K more than a Sport 410 and that it should be priced nearer to this (£82K).Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff