RE: Mercedes AMG S-Class Saloons: Market Watch
Discussion
daemon said:
Hell of a lot of car for that price! Rat_Fink_67 said:
daemon said:
Hell of a lot of car for that price! Just sold my W221 S63L and have to say that while they are fantastic machines, never forget that they were once £130k and have bills to match that price tag when things go wrong or need replacing as a part of normal maintenance. The car depreciates massively whilst the bills to replace/repair only seem to go up!
I only had it for 10 months (because I have an addiction to changing cars on a whim!!) and depreciation plus servicing costs over about 13k miles equated to £1k per month overall - that's not taking into account insurance, tax or petrol. Go into ownership with both eyes open and it will be a fun experience as they truly are great machines.
I only had it for 10 months (because I have an addiction to changing cars on a whim!!) and depreciation plus servicing costs over about 13k miles equated to £1k per month overall - that's not taking into account insurance, tax or petrol. Go into ownership with both eyes open and it will be a fun experience as they truly are great machines.
rgw2012 said:
Just sold my W221 S63L and have to say that while they are fantastic machines, never forget that they were once £130k and have bills to match that price tag when things go wrong or need replacing as a part of normal maintenance. The car depreciates massively whilst the bills to replace/repair only seem to go up!
I only had it for 10 months (because I have an addiction to changing cars on a whim!!) and depreciation plus servicing costs over about 13k miles equated to £1k per month overall - that's not taking into account insurance, tax or petrol. Go into ownership with both eyes open and it will be a fun experience as they truly are great machines.
That one I linked to looks a little under priced and might hold the bulk of its money.I only had it for 10 months (because I have an addiction to changing cars on a whim!!) and depreciation plus servicing costs over about 13k miles equated to £1k per month overall - that's not taking into account insurance, tax or petrol. Go into ownership with both eyes open and it will be a fun experience as they truly are great machines.
What would you propose maintenance costs might look like over a year of something like that?
Really difficult to put a number on it but an annual service would be around 700ish plus parts. Front discs and pads are £1k and actually cheaper from a Merc main dealer than anywhere else! If coil packs go they are about £1k each and a big bill should be expected if something goes wrong with the active ride air suspension! Tyres are about £200 a corner. I averaged about 20mpg with a good mix of long and short trips, so not too bad. VED was about £550 and insurance will depend on your circumstances.
It's not just the purchasing, it is the running costs that make or break the deal. You run the risk of bankruptcy without a warranty so beware!! I'd say that car is all the money and then some for a private sale so it will depreciate far more than you are thinking - consider if you want to move it on later that it is a very niche market and traders run scared of them at that age and mileage, so unless you manage to sell privately you could have it around for longer than hoped.
It's not just the purchasing, it is the running costs that make or break the deal. You run the risk of bankruptcy without a warranty so beware!! I'd say that car is all the money and then some for a private sale so it will depreciate far more than you are thinking - consider if you want to move it on later that it is a very niche market and traders run scared of them at that age and mileage, so unless you manage to sell privately you could have it around for longer than hoped.
rgw2012 said:
Really difficult to put a number on it but an annual service would be around 700ish plus parts. Front discs and pads are £1k and actually cheaper from a Merc main dealer than anywhere else! If coil packs go they are about £1k each and a big bill should be expected if something goes wrong with the active ride air suspension! Tyres are about £200 a corner. I averaged about 20mpg with a good mix of long and short trips, so not too bad. VED was about £550 and insurance will depend on your circumstances.
It's not just the purchasing, it is the running costs that make or break the deal. You run the risk of bankruptcy without a warranty so beware!! I'd say that car is all the money and then some for a private sale so it will depreciate far more than you are thinking - consider if you want to move it on later that it is a very niche market and traders run scared of them at that age and mileage, so unless you manage to sell privately you could have it around for longer than hoped.
Good summary, MB are offering the service plan on these cars at the moment and The general consensus is that it's good value for the bigger engined cars like the AMG's. My CL65 a V12 twin turbo car is with the discount code £41 a month for three years.It's not just the purchasing, it is the running costs that make or break the deal. You run the risk of bankruptcy without a warranty so beware!! I'd say that car is all the money and then some for a private sale so it will depreciate far more than you are thinking - consider if you want to move it on later that it is a very niche market and traders run scared of them at that age and mileage, so unless you manage to sell privately you could have it around for longer than hoped.
At this stage of their life they are very good value provided you have a 'bork fund' just in case. And one with a full MB service history would be the only way to purchase one.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
£23.5k with 77k, about right or optomistic?
Looks in great nick either way
£23.5k with 77k, about right or optomistic?
Looks in great nick either way
NotFromSomerset said:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
£23.5k with 77k, about right or optomistic?
Looks in great nick either way
If it doesn't have a full MB service history I wouldn't, I'm six months into V12 ownership and one thing I've come to realise is that if they are not serviced in strict accordance with or from a main agent you only have yourself to blame if expensive items have been overlooked or ignored. The advert makes no reference to a full MB service history so I think it's fair to say it hasn't.£23.5k with 77k, about right or optomistic?
Looks in great nick either way
HannsG said:
Are they fairly reliable modes for transport? Seem comfortable enough!
I think they are if serviced correctly, like a lot of cars that have fallen off the cliff edge of depreciation as has been said before some were £100K car's to start with so servicing costs will be higher.I believe there is a sweet spot with these cars where they are relatively cheap to buy, in excellent condition with full MB service history and haven't yet been owned by a skin-flint who skimped on servicing and ruined a perfectly good car.
NotFromSomerset said:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
£23.5k with 77k, about right or optomistic?
Looks in great nick either way
How to make 23 grand look like 4 grand, very very optimistic I would say, dont think the big AMG's have the same following when older than the C class and CLK etc, sure it is still a monster but very, very narrow market, I like old, overpowered Mercs and couldnt part with anything like that for it, the pimp tints arent helping in that respect.£23.5k with 77k, about right or optomistic?
Looks in great nick either way
Wealthy folk wont bother, barge enthusiasts have a 0-5 large thread for a reason, just not sure who would buy it at that money, its in Limbo, could get a decent Bentley for that.
rgw2012 said:
Really difficult to put a number on it but an annual service would be around 700ish plus parts. Front discs and pads are £1k and actually cheaper from a Merc main dealer than anywhere else! If coil packs go they are about £1k each and a big bill should be expected if something goes wrong with the active ride air suspension! Tyres are about £200 a corner. I averaged about 20mpg with a good mix of long and short trips, so not too bad. VED was about £550 and insurance will depend on your circumstances.
It's not just the purchasing, it is the running costs that make or break the deal. You run the risk of bankruptcy without a warranty so beware!! I'd say that car is all the money and then some for a private sale so it will depreciate far more than you are thinking - consider if you want to move it on later that it is a very niche market and traders run scared of them at that age and mileage, so unless you manage to sell privately you could have it around for longer than hoped.
CheersIt's not just the purchasing, it is the running costs that make or break the deal. You run the risk of bankruptcy without a warranty so beware!! I'd say that car is all the money and then some for a private sale so it will depreciate far more than you are thinking - consider if you want to move it on later that it is a very niche market and traders run scared of them at that age and mileage, so unless you manage to sell privately you could have it around for longer than hoped.
I'd been thinking maybe £2K per year of a bork fund so maybe not far away. If i were to invest i'd run it as a third car, behind the A45 and Passat.
My hands are tied until the new year but will have a ponder then as to what i might do.
NotFromSomerset said:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
£23.5k with 77k, about right or optomistic?
Looks in great nick either way
I think that is at least £10k overpriced - not even my immaculate '07 S63L with 72k miles and all the trimmings would have retailed at that. £23.5k with 77k, about right or optomistic?
Looks in great nick either way
rgw2012 said:
I think that is at least £10k overpriced - not even my immaculate '07 S63L with 72k miles and all the trimmings would have retailed at that.
yes but with all respects the 63 is not a very rare or desirable car. The 65 has the rarity and collectable value. Considering more plentiful w221 s65 models with similar mileage are fetching £25k plus it cant be miles off?Don't disagree that the S63 is not as rare as an S65 but rarity in this case does not equal higher value or collectability at this price point. The S65s are more fragile and have a massive bork factor compared to the S63 so they aren't as far apart from a price perspective as you might like to think. Please don't get sucked into the price on Auto Trader as being reflective of the actual value the cars will sell for, some sit around for months on end without selling even after signfiicant price reductions.
Good luck if it's what you are after but buy these with your head and not your heart
Good luck if it's what you are after but buy these with your head and not your heart
I've stuck a post in the general MB forum, but can anyone tell me what a 1999 W200 S55L AMG 5.0 Litre is ?
Is this just a S500 with a few AMG stickers ?, or a 5.0 litre engine with work done on it by AMG ?
( I was looking at a very genuine 1 owner car, and it say's S55L AMG on the V5 etc, so not a copy obviously sold like this....
Is this just a S500 with a few AMG stickers ?, or a 5.0 litre engine with work done on it by AMG ?
( I was looking at a very genuine 1 owner car, and it say's S55L AMG on the V5 etc, so not a copy obviously sold like this....
Just found a VIN decoder....which tells me it's a S500L and ordered in Brunei ?, at some point it ended up here and registered in Manchester....explains the rear fridge & air-con I suppose !
The plot thickens.......is there any external way of distinguishing a 5.0 litre from a 5.5 litre ?
The plot thickens.......is there any external way of distinguishing a 5.0 litre from a 5.5 litre ?
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