LOL. Reckless Porsche Driver in Video has 911 for sale on PH

[Rawwr]

Countdown said:

Me as well. A good overtake is something to admire, especially in today's congested roads.

What's annoying is having to brake hard to avoid driving into the back of people who are unable to judge spaces between cars and are oblivious to how bad their driving is. The type of people who wonder why they get flashing headlights and coffee bean gestures so often......

I figure that if I have to brake to get into the space after overtaking someone, I f*cked up my overtake.

[Countdown]

Rawwr said:

I figure that if I have to brake to get into the space after overtaking someone, I f*cked up my overtake.

I'd partially agree. I think It depends how hard you have to brake. Also for me it's how hard others have to brake to accommodate your manoeuvre, whether that's the car that you've just overtaken or whether it's an oncoming car. I was taught that if others have to take avoiding action because of a manoeuvre you've carried out then that's incompetent driving on your part, not theirs.

The expectation that it's somehow "other people's fault" because they' should have adapted their driving to allow for your overtaking is a bit ridiculous

[Rawwr]

Oh, if anyone else has to brake then I've definitely f*cked it up. I just hold myself to quite a high standard

Flame away

[Strudul]

Rawwr said:

I figure that if I have to brake to get into the space after overtaking someone, I f*cked up my overtake.

How do you figure?

Take the example below:
- You're in the red Miata
- Speed limit is 60
- Yellow and green cars are going 35
- You don't have enough time to overtake both the yellow and green cars without a head on collision with the blue car
- You have enough time to safely overtake the yellow car and slot in behind the green, but it means accelerating up to 60 than braking back down to 40 so you don't fly into the back of the green car
- There's a seemingly endless stream of cars behind the blue car with no more overtake opportunities looking likely anytime soon

[popeyewhite]

Didn't look that bad to me. Can see why it offends the modern sheep driver though. Implication from the thread title is it might not be wise to purchase this car after it was filmed doing what it was designed to do?

Daily Mail "...narrow road"

[Mega]

Guy clearly has anger issues.

Overtaking is not 'bad' and the amount of people who flash or gesture at those performing perfectly legitimate overtakes is shocking these days, part of dash cam culture for sure and as has been said in this topic is pandemic of the conformist culture we have today.

But it was his reaction, swerving back towards the car that flashed him during the second maneuver, that is totally unacceptable.

Perhaps the Porsche was irritated for being flashed by the dashcam driver (leading to the brake check) when he'd done nothing wrong at that point presumably (I assume he overtook the dashcam before this footage started) ... but that's not an excuse ..

[TwistingMyMelon]

Its st driving, below the standard I would expect, no need to be a tt and brake and swerve either , reminds me of a spoilt toddler having a paddy.

I love a good overtake, equally im more than happy to ease off when someone goes past me, but that is poor driving from the Porsche.

And for all the whingers who complain about the 40/50mph brigade, yep they are st drivers, but you cant justify reckless driving just because others are driving slowly.

[popeyewhite]

Mega said:

..swerving back towards the car that flashed him during the second maneuver, that is totally unacceptable.

Sure he wasn't just sticking his head out for a look?

Mega said:

Perhaps the Porsche was irritated for being flashed by the dashcam driver (leading to the brake check)

I didn't see a flash and how d'you know the car in front of the Porsche didn't panic brake first?

[J4CKO]

Strudul said:

Rawwr said:

I figure that if I have to brake to get into the space after overtaking someone, I f*cked up my overtake.

How do you figure?

Take the example below:
- You're in the red Miata
- Speed limit is 60
- Yellow and green cars are going 35
- You don't have enough time to overtake both the yellow and green cars without a head on collision with the blue car
- You have enough time to safely overtake the yellow car and slot in behind the green, but it means accelerating up to 60 than braking back down to 40 so you don't fly into the back of the green car
- There's a seemingly endless stream of cars behind the blue car with no more overtake opportunities looking likely anytime soon

So, to sum up,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4drNFXd6dw

[Paul O]

Lots of assumptions on here that everyone other than the Porsche driver are just sheeple. It could actually be that no one had overtaken because there wasn't a safe position to do so.

Im all for a good, safe overtake, but to me it looked like the 911 driver was being pretty aggressive. But then, equally, if you are in slow traffic and you can't/won't overtake, but you have a dangerous knob trying to get past, my view is to give them a gap and let them get on with it, so he doesn't cause you to be part of the accident.

Too many road warriors around and not enough consideration - that includes the sheeple, the video cam nutters wanting a YouTube payday and the wker drivers.

[popeyewhite]

Paul O said:

But then, equally, if you are in slow traffic and you can't/won't overtake...

...Leave some room so that those that want to overtake can do so safely, oh and if room's tight brake a bit to let them in, as the HC suggests?

[Paul O]

popeyewhite said:

Paul O said:

But then, equally, if you are in slow traffic and you can't/won't overtake...

...Leave some room so that those that want to overtake can do so safely, oh and if room's tight brake a bit to let them in, as the HC suggests?

Which is what I wrote in the next sentence

[popeyewhite]

Paul O said:

popeyewhite said:

Paul O said:

But then, equally, if you are in slow traffic and you can't/won't overtake...

...Leave some room so that those that want to overtake can do so safely, oh and if room's tight brake a bit to let them in, as the HC suggests?

Which is what I wrote in the next sentence

It was a bit vague for my liking

[antacid]

Bonefish Blues said:

You saw enough to form a firm opinion of what happened, whilst telling me that there was insufficient clarity for me to form the view that I had.

I'll leave it there.

Yes, all the while fully acknowledging that this is the case for any such opinion, including my own. It wasn't a firm opinion as much as an alternative view, further highlighting the point that there is too much unknown.

[Bonefish Blues]

antacid said:

Bonefish Blues said:

You saw enough to form a firm opinion of what happened, whilst telling me that there was insufficient clarity for me to form the view that I had.

I'll leave it there.

Yes, all the while fully acknowledging that this is the case for any such opinion, including my own. It wasn't a firm opinion as much as an alternative view, further highlighting the point that there is too much unknown.

So no longer "pretty clear", more speculation then.

[vonhosen]

Porsche911R said:

eliot said:

First overtake into the front of camera car seemed ok, the one where the oncoming flashes and then
he pulls in forcing the guy to brake was a poor show really.

the guy was forced to brake because he did not leave a gap which he should

He wasn't forced to brake, because he wasn't forced to do the overtake. He chose to overtake into an inappropriate gap & he had to brake because he carried too much speed into it.

Porsche911R said:

I cannot see any thing wrong in the over takes either, people are like sheep and if you get stuck In a 40mph que on a 60mph road you do have to force your way a bit these days.

I get flashed most days, I have also been known to get out of my car at the next lights to asked why I was flashed, I did this to a cop once, he looked very sheepish and then took his full beam off !

over taking is legal :-) people are like F***king sheep, the roads are a mess, every one has this keep right mentality on any 2 lane road also.

I'm not surprised you invoke a negative response with that attitude.

There's nothing wrong with appropriate overtakes. But just because a suitable gap isn't available for an appropriate overtake, it doesn't mean it's OK to force an inappropriate one.

Porsche911R said:

I have been pulled over 3 times by the police for over taking cars, but never been fined !! they normally lie and ask for a breath test or some bks.

lucky these days there are less police in cars on the road, so not been pulled for a while. either that or they must be so pissed off with the new breed of keep right drivers, they have given up !

rant over ;-)

They have given up, or they'd be reporting you when they stopped you if you do overtakes like that in the video.

[Mound Dawg]

Strudul said:

How do you figure?

Take the example below:
- You're in the red Miata
- Speed limit is 60
- Yellow and green cars are going 35
- You don't have enough time to overtake both the yellow and green cars without a head on collision with the blue car
- You have enough time to safely overtake the yellow car and slot in behind the green, but it means accelerating up to 60 than braking back down to 40 so you don't fly into the back of the green car
- There's a seemingly endless stream of cars behind the blue car with no more overtake opportunities looking likely anytime soon

Sorry but I really don't see the overtake that you describe being "on" at all in that picture, that blue car is going to be right on top of you by the time you're level with the car you're overtaking.

[popeyewhite]

vonhosen said:

He chose to overtake into an inappropriate gap & he had to brake because he carried too much speed into it.

What on earth is an "inappropriate gap"? You can't mean it was too small because it clearly wasn't. How was he carrying too much speed? The differential didn't seem that great? Far better to brake for a gap than get stuck in the outside lane - and no, overtaking traffic is not 'inappropriate'. The HC acknowledges overtaking in traffic can sometimes be a squeeze so recommends overtaken cars make room to let the car in. It may not be be part of your particular driving repertoire, but fortunately it's still legal, and cars can bunch up/accelerate when they are overtaken, which is, actually, very inappropriate and not advised by the HC.

Edited by popeyewhite on Tuesday 24th October 22:46

[Strudul]

Mound Dawg said:

Strudul said:

How do you figure?

Take the example below:
- You're in the red Miata
- Speed limit is 60
- Yellow and green cars are going 35
- You don't have enough time to overtake both the yellow and green cars without a head on collision with the blue car
- You have enough time to safely overtake the yellow car and slot in behind the green, but it means accelerating up to 60 than braking back down to 40 so you don't fly into the back of the green car
- There's a seemingly endless stream of cars behind the blue car with no more overtake opportunities looking likely anytime soon

Sorry but I really don't see the overtake that you describe being "on" at all in that picture, that blue car is going to be right on top of you by the time you're level with the car you're overtaking.

It's not perfectly scaled, just a visual representation, look at the words, not just the pretty pictures.

said:

- You have enough time to safely overtake the yellow car and slot in behind the green, but it means accelerating up to 60 than braking back down to 40 so you don't fly into the back of the green car

[vonhosen]

popeyewhite said:

vonhosen said:

He chose to overtake into an inappropriate gap & he had to brake because he carried too much speed into it.

What on earth is an "inappropriate gap"? You can't mean it was too small because it clearly wasn't. How was he carrying too much speed? The differential didn't seem that great? Far better to brake for a gap than get stuck in the outside lane - and no, overtaking traffic is not 'inappropriate'. The HC acknowledges overtaking in traffic can sometimes be a squeeze so recommends overtaken cars make room to let the car in. It may not be part of your particular driving repertoire, but fortunately it's still legal, and cars can bunch up/accelerate when they are overtaken, which is, actually, very inappropriate and not advised by the HC.

Just because you can physically fit into a gap it doesn't mean it's an appropriate gap for an overtake, it can fall foul of Sec 3 RTA (or worse depending on circumstances). Saying 'I got in the gap & there wasn't a collision so everything is fine' doesn't wash.

I'm not excusing poor driving by others, but their poor driving doesn't excuse your own if you do overtakes like that.
Saying 'I had to overtake like that because they didn't leave a big enough gap for me' is not a valid defence to it.

Citing what you perceive to be other's wrongs doesn't validate your own wrongs.

I never said that overtaking was inappropriate per se, that's a daft suggestion. But the circumstances dictate if it's appropriate or not. That wasn't appropriate gaps.
Sure he managed to force his way, but because he could force his way in it doesn't suddenly make it appropriate.

Sure if he cocks it up other drivers should do their best to accommodate his cock up, but it's still a cock up & it can still be an offence because of the cock up (even if they do help him out).