ULEZ charge in 2021
Discussion
NomduJour said:
Toltec said:
regular users should really use a compliant vehicle
That’s surely the point - the cars being affected aren’t the ones in daily use. Virtually nobody affected will commute in their child-killing-device, they’ll likely just see a bit of use at weekends. But, the greater good, Comrades!
It is worth checking cars between 2000 and 2006 as my wife's 2002 e46 is Euro 4 compliant, I imagine other manufacturers had compliant engines well before 2006 too.
When the ULEZ thing first hit the news last year, the online checker said my 2001 (yet euro4 compliant) petrol was exempt as it was registered before 2006. It passed every other requirement.
I now notice that there is NO mention of the pre-2006 thing on the checker any more & it says the car will be ULEZ compliant.
Have they taken the max vehicle age criteria away?
I now notice that there is NO mention of the pre-2006 thing on the checker any more & it says the car will be ULEZ compliant.
Have they taken the max vehicle age criteria away?
SebastienClement said:
When the ULEZ thing first hit the news last year, the online checker said my 2001 (yet euro4 compliant) petrol was exempt as it was registered before 2006. It passed every other requirement.
I now notice that there is NO mention of the pre-2006 thing on the checker any more & it says the car will be ULEZ compliant.
Have they taken the max vehicle age criteria away?
I thought my previous E500 (2005) was non-compliant but I checked again and it was OK.I now notice that there is NO mention of the pre-2006 thing on the checker any more & it says the car will be ULEZ compliant.
Have they taken the max vehicle age criteria away?
But my wife's 2000 Clio fails.
kiethton said:
Biggest issue currently and my biggest point of opposition is motorbikes.
The majority of the bikes parked in the on-street bike bay I use are non-compliant but well maintained, including my own.....we will all be caught up in this legislation from next year.
Bikes on the whole produce f
k all pollution, they run on petrol, most have engines <600cc and are rarely stuck in traffic so don't contribute through idling.
The issue is that whilst he may be trying to improve air quality he is simultaneously ignoring bike theft issues. The reason people don't use newer bikes is often not one of cost but one of security, newer bikes would be (and are) stolen in weeks, have scooter couriers ramming their lumps of st down the side of them, damaging them in the process and as such limit bike purchase price to £1k and run with TPO cover as that's all that's now offered, especially for E London postcodes. The introduction of this is a complete farce, is likely to cause an overnight material increase in bike theft and bike enabled crime.
This proposal is totally shortsighted and blind for the real drivers for why people resort to older motorbikes. Until the theft issues are resolved bikes should be exempted, period, afterall if they're not it doesn't take much to join them....a small plate, positioned on the underside of the tail will never be read by an ANPR camera, else we'll resort to the tactics of a scooter I saw a few weeks back, his plate just read "catch me".....
My bike was stolen today so all I have left is my BMW. I certainly can't afford to change my car or buy another bike now The majority of the bikes parked in the on-street bike bay I use are non-compliant but well maintained, including my own.....we will all be caught up in this legislation from next year.
Bikes on the whole produce f
k all pollution, they run on petrol, most have engines <600cc and are rarely stuck in traffic so don't contribute through idling.The issue is that whilst he may be trying to improve air quality he is simultaneously ignoring bike theft issues. The reason people don't use newer bikes is often not one of cost but one of security, newer bikes would be (and are) stolen in weeks, have scooter couriers ramming their lumps of s
t down the side of them, damaging them in the process and as such limit bike purchase price to £1k and run with TPO cover as that's all that's now offered, especially for E London postcodes. The introduction of this is a complete farce, is likely to cause an overnight material increase in bike theft and bike enabled crime.This proposal is totally shortsighted and blind for the real drivers for why people resort to older motorbikes. Until the theft issues are resolved bikes should be exempted, period, afterall if they're not it doesn't take much to join them....a small plate, positioned on the underside of the tail will never be read by an ANPR camera, else we'll resort to the tactics of a scooter I saw a few weeks back, his plate just read "catch me".....
Edited by kiethton on Tuesday 6th February 11:15
AC43 said:
SebastienClement said:
When the ULEZ thing first hit the news last year, the online checker said my 2001 (yet euro4 compliant) petrol was exempt as it was registered before 2006. It passed every other requirement.
I now notice that there is NO mention of the pre-2006 thing on the checker any more & it says the car will be ULEZ compliant.
Have they taken the max vehicle age criteria away?
I thought my previous E500 (2005) was non-compliant but I checked again and it was OK.I now notice that there is NO mention of the pre-2006 thing on the checker any more & it says the car will be ULEZ compliant.
Have they taken the max vehicle age criteria away?
But my wife's 2000 Clio fails.
Wayback machine, note no VRM checker link and exemption for ULEZ residents until Sept 2023.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170215152011/https:/...
The check your vehicle link gave advice that if you that your vehicle was compliant, but before the set date you should check with the manufacturer.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170219141754/https:/...
Now there is a VRM check link and the exemption date has dropped to April 2022, must be extra crap if you live just outside the ULEZ, but need to cross the line to go shopping etc.
Edited by Toltec on Tuesday 6th February 16:52
Not sure if this has already been mentioned but Westminster council have already introduced a 50% surcharge for parking any diesel which is older than 2015 within that borough. No Euro checking, just a blanket surcharge. My car is Euro 6 compliant but it's a late 2014 so I got charged extra.
I bought my car specifically because it was Euro 6 so thought I'd be able to avoid all this rubbish for a few years but no. Worryingly I think this will be typical of the lazy, money grabbing attitude that most councils will adopt around this new war on diesel policy.
I bought my car specifically because it was Euro 6 so thought I'd be able to avoid all this rubbish for a few years but no. Worryingly I think this will be typical of the lazy, money grabbing attitude that most councils will adopt around this new war on diesel policy.
Yeah, the problem caused by vehicles in Central London is definitely overstated... https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-mara...
C70R said:
Yeah, the problem caused by vehicles in Central London is definitely overstated... https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-mara...
West of Tower Bridge is already in the congestion charging zone. I don't think anyone here is disputing that trying to deter car usage right into the centre of london is a good thing, but the vehicles that are in the CCZ are already not deterred/caught by the charge.What if - controversial I know - the pollution is being caused by the amount of stationary busses and commercial vans who get the charge paid for them - and not the slightly older cars of the general public - 99% of whom already use public transport, or a pushbike, or a motorbike/moped to get into central London.
The ULEZ appears to want to penalise the general public for not owning hybrids or brand new cars - as opposed to really trying to think of ways to avoid those diesel commercial vehicles coming in during the day ?
Toltec said:
AC43 said:
SebastienClement said:
When the ULEZ thing first hit the news last year, the online checker said my 2001 (yet euro4 compliant) petrol was exempt as it was registered before 2006. It passed every other requirement.
I now notice that there is NO mention of the pre-2006 thing on the checker any more & it says the car will be ULEZ compliant.
Have they taken the max vehicle age criteria away?
I thought my previous E500 (2005) was non-compliant but I checked again and it was OK.I now notice that there is NO mention of the pre-2006 thing on the checker any more & it says the car will be ULEZ compliant.
Have they taken the max vehicle age criteria away?
But my wife's 2000 Clio fails.
Toltec said:
I checked my wife's 2002 e46 earlier last year and it was fine for the T charge as Euro 4 compliant, but the ULEZ just said any petrol pre 2006 was not, when I checked recently the ULEZ site was taking the reg number and checking properly. Therefore, yes, I am sure they changed the site, whether it was always the plan or there were complaints and Kahn had to back down on just date based limits, no idea?
My 2002 petrol is showing as no charge too, my newer diesel is still caught though.Suspect Khan had to back down.
Values of cheap yet compliant petrol cars could well rise once word that the expansion is confirmed starts to get around the masses. There must be thousands upon thousands of people running Euro 5 or worse diesels that will be looking to change and won't be able to afford a Euro 6 diesel with paltry amount they get when they sell their current car.
This is just like the Runway at Heathrow Airport, they were going to railroad this through weather the public agree or not.
What makes me laugh is the fact that now Air traffic will increase and planes will continue to roll over the skyline of London dumping fuel all over the capital Bloody Joke.
London borough of Croydon has now rolled out 20mph speed limits right up to the Surrey border south of Cousldon on all country lanes and residential roads.
Bottom line is Transport For London is going to make it so hard for the motorist to actually get anywhere that you will HAVE TO USE THEIR Transport. That is the policy. Their slogan Every Journey Matters is solely related to Public transport, Not You (the motorist).
Cant beat Progress ey
What makes me laugh is the fact that now Air traffic will increase and planes will continue to roll over the skyline of London dumping fuel all over the capital Bloody Joke.
London borough of Croydon has now rolled out 20mph speed limits right up to the Surrey border south of Cousldon on all country lanes and residential roads.
Bottom line is Transport For London is going to make it so hard for the motorist to actually get anywhere that you will HAVE TO USE THEIR Transport. That is the policy. Their slogan Every Journey Matters is solely related to Public transport, Not You (the motorist).
Cant beat Progress ey
fatboy18 said:
This is just like the Runway at Heathrow Airport, they were going to railroad this through weather the public agree or not.
What makes me laugh is the fact that now Air traffic will increase and planes will continue to roll over the skyline of London dumping fuel all over the capital Bloody Joke.
London borough of Croydon has now rolled out 20mph speed limits right up to the Surrey border south of Cousldon on all country lanes and residential roads.
Bottom line is Transport For London is going to make it so hard for the motorist to actually get anywhere that you will HAVE TO USE THEIR Transport. That is the policy. Their slogan Every Journey Matters is solely related to Public transport, Not You (the motorist).
Cant beat Progress ey
Hard to disagree...What makes me laugh is the fact that now Air traffic will increase and planes will continue to roll over the skyline of London dumping fuel all over the capital Bloody Joke.
London borough of Croydon has now rolled out 20mph speed limits right up to the Surrey border south of Cousldon on all country lanes and residential roads.
Bottom line is Transport For London is going to make it so hard for the motorist to actually get anywhere that you will HAVE TO USE THEIR Transport. That is the policy. Their slogan Every Journey Matters is solely related to Public transport, Not You (the motorist).
Cant beat Progress ey
MaxSo said:
Mayor Khan. Providing all Londoners with nice clean air to breathe while being mugged by lowlifes about whom it seems he will do nothing. Gotta love it. So, I live in the expanded zone and have a nice old 944. What do I do? Stumping up £12.50p every time I want to take the kids to school or for my missis to drive to the shops doesn't look very appealing at all. I effing hate Khan.
I live just off the South Circular. The wrong side of it. I almost never use my bought in 1998 BMW to drive into London, but use it often to get out.
So I have to get rid of a much loved and looked after car or move.
Such a shame.
I’d love to get a motorbike since my last one was stolen but thanks to the scooter crime thing getting insurance is either impossible or eye wateringly expensive. Plus it’ll in all likelyhood get stolen.
Will the 12.50 daily charge still have to be paid even if just parked outside my flat. What if there is a camera nearby. I’d be looking at over £4000 a year.
So I have to get rid of a much loved and looked after car or move.
Such a shame.
I’d love to get a motorbike since my last one was stolen but thanks to the scooter crime thing getting insurance is either impossible or eye wateringly expensive. Plus it’ll in all likelyhood get stolen.
Will the 12.50 daily charge still have to be paid even if just parked outside my flat. What if there is a camera nearby. I’d be looking at over £4000 a year.
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