ULEZ charge in 2021

[gpfanuk]

This is just the thin end of the wedge as I can see. My next two cars are going to be something all electric and then something overblown and uneconomic for the weekend.

[Burwood]

hyphen said:

croyde said:

fatboy18 said:

Are hybrid cars exempt from the extra charge?

I have a 8ltr V10 engine but it has to be started with a 12volt battery, so surely this makes it a hybrid?

Like it

You laugh but as it's age related, a Bentley Bentayga is exempt! (Tabloids were pointing this out last weekend).

So as long as it's modern so euro 4 or whatever it is, engine can be large as you want!

Completely fair. The owner pays enough in excise tax.

[simon-tigjs]

I got bored reading all the threads about bickering who was what car and how you might change it. Everyone seems to have missed a point. £100 a day to drive a lorry in London ?? How does everyone think their lives are going to go on without this cost being passed on. wait till it gets extended to the M25 boundary. Let me tell you your wittering about your expensive car is nothing when you realise the cost of EVERYTHING thats in any business you buy stuff from will be affected. The lorry is dead. Its all vans thus three times as many as current as they carry less than lorries but then thats 3x the wage. If you live in London this is serious inflation!!! You may live longer but the pain might break you early.

[fatboy18]

T-195 said:

M'Kay?

What this really shows you is how crap public transport is

[big_rob_sydney]

simon-tigjs said:

I got bored reading all the threads about bickering who was what car and how you might change it. Everyone seems to have missed a point. £100 a day to drive a lorry in London ?? How does everyone think their lives are going to go on without this cost being passed on. wait till it gets extended to the M25 boundary. Let me tell you your wittering about your expensive car is nothing when you realise the cost of EVERYTHING thats in any business you buy stuff from will be affected. The lorry is dead. Its all vans thus three times as many as current as they carry less than lorries but then thats 3x the wage. If you live in London this is serious inflation!!! You may live longer but the pain might break you early.

The policy settings governments introduce result in behavioural changes; buyers will replace their ICE with more efficient machines. Whatever shape or form they might be, it's going to happen.

I suspect we will see more EV's, and things like Tesla's electric semi will be a part of that. There will be massive opportunities for businesses to enter with EVs and disrupt ICE competition.

[DonkeyApple]

Burwood said:

hyphen said:

croyde said:

fatboy18 said:

Are hybrid cars exempt from the extra charge?

I have a 8ltr V10 engine but it has to be started with a 12volt battery, so surely this makes it a hybrid?

Like it

You laugh but as it's age related, a Bentley Bentayga is exempt! (Tabloids were pointing this out last weekend).

So as long as it's modern so euro 4 or whatever it is, engine can be large as you want!

Completely fair. The owner pays enough in excise tax.

True, but gets it all back via tax evasion and VAT carousel fraud.

[T-195]

fatboy18 said:

T-195 said:

M'Kay?

What this really shows you is how crap public transport is

Surprised no one has blamed The Mayor yet.

[T-195]

T-195 said:

Surprised no one has blamed The Mayor yet.

Piece of piss. London Public Transport could easily cope with another 3 Million regular users.

[NomduJour]

Assuming this is correct, it appears to validate the Putney High Street figures after the bus fleet was replaced - not a lot of yellow in that London bar:

Edited by NomduJour on Wednesday 10th April 11:12

[menousername]

big_rob_sydney said:

The policy settings governments introduce result in behavioural changes; buyers will replace their ICE with more efficient machines. Whatever shape or form they might be, it's going to happen.

I suspect we will see more EV's, and things like Tesla's electric semi will be a part of that. There will be massive opportunities for businesses to enter with EVs and disrupt ICE competition.

If that happens London will need charging points every 5 or 6 yards on every street

[mpit]

simon-tigjs said:

I got bored reading all the threads about bickering who was what car and how you might change it. Everyone seems to have missed a point. £100 a day to drive a lorry in London ?? How does everyone think their lives are going to go on without this cost being passed on. wait till it gets extended to the M25 boundary. Let me tell you your wittering about your expensive car is nothing when you realise the cost of EVERYTHING thats in any business you buy stuff from will be affected. The lorry is dead. Its all vans thus three times as many as current as they carry less than lorries but then thats 3x the wage. If you live in London this is serious inflation!!! You may live longer but the pain might break you early.

But it's only for old, pre Euro-6 lorries.

I don't know the stats, but I imagine every company already has some lorries that are newer than 5 years old on their fleet and you'd presume these will be prioritised on London jobs.

Also, £100 a day is nothing in the scheme of a daily costs for running an arctic lorry, they aren't about to spend £200 a day employing two other people to drive vans to save £100

I live in London and I'm all in favour of reducing pollution. How many pre-Euro4 (ie. pre-2005 fo the most part) cars are there in central London really?

Edited by mpit on Wednesday 10th April 08:26

[DonkeyApple]

big_rob_sydney said:

The policy settings governments introduce result in behavioural changes; buyers will replace their ICE with more efficient machines. Whatever shape or form they might be, it's going to happen.

I suspect we will see more EV's, and things like Tesla's electric semi will be a part of that. There will be massive opportunities for businesses to enter with EVs and disrupt ICE competition.

Massive? It’s the bit of the UK with the least amount of off-road parking, it’s an issue that impacts the poorest who aren’t going to rush to spend £50k on an EV, there’s no public charging network of any viability and an ICE solution costs just a few K.

It’s the same situation with vans. The ICE solution is cheaper and more practical.

The EV revolution will remain small and for the wealthy, just like cycling in London for a long time to come. Until there is that genuine price inversion and a pan London, massive network of chargers they are going to remain the choice for people with driveways, second cars and an above average spending power which probably isn’t really the target audience of the most negatively impacted by the ULEZ.

I completely agree with your view that the change is going to happen but I felt the sentiment in your post suggested that it was likely to happen any time soon which I really don’t think we are anywhere near to.

[coldel]

mpit said:

simon-tigjs said:

I got bored reading all the threads about bickering who was what car and how you might change it. Everyone seems to have missed a point. £100 a day to drive a lorry in London ?? How does everyone think their lives are going to go on without this cost being passed on. wait till it gets extended to the M25 boundary. Let me tell you your wittering about your expensive car is nothing when you realise the cost of EVERYTHING thats in any business you buy stuff from will be affected. The lorry is dead. Its all vans thus three times as many as current as they carry less than lorries but then thats 3x the wage. If you live in London this is serious inflation!!! You may live longer but the pain might break you early.

But it's only for old, pre Euro-6 lorries.

I don't know the stats, but I imagine every company already has some lorries that are newer than 5 years old on their fleet and you'd presume these will be prioritised on London jobs.

Also, £100 a day is nothing in the scheme of a daily costs for running an arctic lorry, they aren't about to spend £200 a day employing two other people to drive vans to save £100

I live in London and I'm all in favour of reducing pollution. How many pre-Euro4 (ie. pre-2005 fo the most part) cars are there in central London really?

Edited by mpit on Wednesday 10th April 08:26

My brother is a mechanic and works on commercial vehicles, works with quite a few wholesalers etc. they have already starting to replace vehicles spread the cost across a few years but also not spending money on those vehicles that would be inefficient to repair as would need replacing down the line.

[coldel]

2gins said:

I'm also in Richmond. 3 things C70R overlooks or isn't aware of.
1. Richmond could mean either the town or the borough in the poster's context, depending which he means he could be in the zone or not as the South circular bisects parts of Kew, Sheen, Barnes and Mortlake.
2. Either way the local recycling centre/tip is in the zone so it's £12.50 every time you want to dispose of something large or specialized e.g. garden waste or engine oil.
3. Even if you never do that the local council here and in other outer boroughs intend to adopt the ULEZ standards across the borough so it is likely a consideration even now. There are no details yet about when or how but whatever, it is just good planning.
Stop being a condescending arsehat.

Thanks Gins, yes I didn't want to go into the detail and mentioned that to c70r but by then was already deciding I had made the wrong decision and how I was behaving and wouldn't listen so I just gave up on it, it really wasn't worth the effort.

The blanket 20mph speed limit will be coming in across Richmond later this year, wait till that gets rolled out across the ULEZ and watch PH explode

[DonkeyApple]

That 20mph limit is pretty much everywhere I now go in London. It’s a very good thing on those side streets that are double parked but I just don’t see the point of it on the main roads. I think there’s plenty of data anyway that shows that the safer you make the driving environment the greater complacency becomes and so incidents rise.

It certainly seems odd that in places like Queens Gate they are implementing the strategy of making roads more complex and confusing so as to slow people down and make everyone more alert yet simultaneously rolling out a different solution that flies in the face of that data.

Personally, the real problem is that if you cannot drive at tourists at 30/40mph with the engine revving then they aren’t going to be scared out of the idea of just walking across the road. The reality is that whether in the tourist hotspots or testosterone rich environments like the City the only thing that actually keeps the enormous number of pedestrians on the pavement is the fear of being mown down. Once that fear is removed through either cars that are travelling very slowly or later with autonomous cars that will simply give way at all times to pedestrians then it’s going to get a lot harder trying to get through town by car.

[NomduJour]

Exhibition Road is being remodelled to separate pedestrians from traffic; seems sensible to me - there are always people in the middle of the carriageway, cars on the wrong side of the road etc.

[ATTleigh]

mpit said:

simon-tigjs said:

I got bored reading all the threads about bickering who was what car and how you might change it. Everyone seems to have missed a point. £100 a day to drive a lorry in London ?? How does everyone think their lives are going to go on without this cost being passed on. wait till it gets extended to the M25 boundary. Let me tell you your wittering about your expensive car is nothing when you realise the cost of EVERYTHING thats in any business you buy stuff from will be affected. The lorry is dead. Its all vans thus three times as many as current as they carry less than lorries but then thats 3x the wage. If you live in London this is serious inflation!!! You may live longer but the pain might break you early.

But it's only for old, pre Euro-6 lorries.

I don't know the stats, but I imagine every company already has some lorries that are newer than 5 years old on their fleet and you'd presume these will be prioritised on London jobs.

Also, £100 a day is nothing in the scheme of a daily costs for running an arctic lorry, they aren't about to spend £200 a day employing two other people to drive vans to save £100

I live in London and I'm all in favour of reducing pollution. How many pre-Euro4 (ie. pre-2005 fo the most part) cars are there in central London really?

Edited by mpit on Wednesday 10th April 08:26

I agree with most of what you're saying, until the rules get tighter and the areas expanded. However, most hauliers wouldn't write off £100 per vehicle per day so easily. Particularly the smaller ones who are most likely not to have compliant vehicles or the funds to immediately buy new.

[StewBLu]

This means there will be a lot of pre 2012 diesel barges going cheap now. Is there any way to modify these cars top make them compliant with the new regs?

[DonkeyApple]

NomduJour said:

Exhibition Road is being remodelled to separate pedestrians from traffic; seems sensible to me - there are always people in the middle of the carriageway, cars on the wrong side of the road etc.

I thought the whole purpose of that redesign a few years back was to specifically create multiple conflict points and confusion?

[DonkeyApple]

StewBLu said:

This means there will be a lot of pre 2012 diesel barges going cheap now. Is there any way to modify these cars top make them compliant with the new regs?

There won’t be that many and they will find buyers in the regions before they get discounted anywhere near far enough to cover the cost of any kind of conversion.