ULEZ charge in 2021
Discussion
Killboy said:
Out of interest, what car is it?
It is a 1999 Audi A3. I have at two (maybe three) quotes and they all range from £700 to £1,000.
But all of them were honest enough to say it would make no difference to ULEZ fees as they were not actually levied on emissions!
It is dead easy. They put a gas tank in the boot, maybe even in the spare tyre well if possible. Two days work.
I've even discussed my Bentley but, as we only use it about a dozen times a year, it would not be worth it.
Tony Gamble said:
C70R said:
If you put the car up for sale at a reasonable price, someone from outside London will buy it.
I'm sorry. I have not followed your 4,000 posts.Have you told us that ULEZ will only apply to London?
I can only presume you missed that bit, and assumed it would be country-wide.
Otherwise there's no other way you'd have come to the conclusion that your car would be sent "to the scrapheap".
I quote the Royal Automobile Club.
Bath: Plan for higher emission vehicles except cars to be charged to drive in the city centre from late 2020. Non-compliant buses, coaches and lorries will be charged £100 a day, while taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses will pay £9.
Birmingham: A proposed clean air zone is expected to come into operation in January 2020. Older buses, coaches and lorries will be charged £50 per day, while cars, taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses will be charged £8.
Glasgow: A low emission zone restricting the movement of older buses is already in place. From January 2023 restrictions will extend to older coaches, lorries, taxis, minicabs, vans, minibuses, cars and motorcycles.
Greater Manchester: Proposal that from 2021 older taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses will pay £7.50 per day, while buses, coaches and lorries will pay £100.
Leeds: A 24/7 clean air zone has been approved for January 2020. This will see the most polluting taxis, minicabs and vans facing a £12.50 daily fee, while buses, coaches and lorries will pay £50.
Sheffield: A low emission zone has been proposed for older taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses, but no start date, hours of operation or daily charge has been confirmed.
Elsewhere: There are restrictions on older buses in Oxford, while Brighton and York will introduce similar schemes in 2020. Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Dundee have all committed to having low emission zones by 2021.
Other places including Coventry, Derby, Leicester, Liverpool and Tyneside are at various stages of deciding or implementing measures to improve air quality.
Bath: Plan for higher emission vehicles except cars to be charged to drive in the city centre from late 2020. Non-compliant buses, coaches and lorries will be charged £100 a day, while taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses will pay £9.
Birmingham: A proposed clean air zone is expected to come into operation in January 2020. Older buses, coaches and lorries will be charged £50 per day, while cars, taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses will be charged £8.
Glasgow: A low emission zone restricting the movement of older buses is already in place. From January 2023 restrictions will extend to older coaches, lorries, taxis, minicabs, vans, minibuses, cars and motorcycles.
Greater Manchester: Proposal that from 2021 older taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses will pay £7.50 per day, while buses, coaches and lorries will pay £100.
Leeds: A 24/7 clean air zone has been approved for January 2020. This will see the most polluting taxis, minicabs and vans facing a £12.50 daily fee, while buses, coaches and lorries will pay £50.
Sheffield: A low emission zone has been proposed for older taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses, but no start date, hours of operation or daily charge has been confirmed.
Elsewhere: There are restrictions on older buses in Oxford, while Brighton and York will introduce similar schemes in 2020. Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Dundee have all committed to having low emission zones by 2021.
Other places including Coventry, Derby, Leicester, Liverpool and Tyneside are at various stages of deciding or implementing measures to improve air quality.
Tony Gamble said:
I quote the Royal Automobile Club.
Bath: Plan for higher emission vehicles except cars to be charged to drive in the city centre from late 2020. Non-compliant buses, coaches and lorries will be charged £100 a day, while taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses will pay £9.
Birmingham: A proposed clean air zone is expected to come into operation in January 2020. Older buses, coaches and lorries will be charged £50 per day, while cars, taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses will be charged £8.
Glasgow: A low emission zone restricting the movement of older buses is already in place. From January 2023 restrictions will extend to older coaches, lorries, taxis, minicabs, vans, minibuses, cars and motorcycles.
Greater Manchester: Proposal that from 2021 older taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses will pay £7.50 per day, while buses, coaches and lorries will pay £100.
Leeds: A 24/7 clean air zone has been approved for January 2020. This will see the most polluting taxis, minicabs and vans facing a £12.50 daily fee, while buses, coaches and lorries will pay £50.
Sheffield: A low emission zone has been proposed for older taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses, but no start date, hours of operation or daily charge has been confirmed.
Elsewhere: There are restrictions on older buses in Oxford, while Brighton and York will introduce similar schemes in 2020. Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Dundee have all committed to having low emission zones by 2021.
Other places including Coventry, Derby, Leicester, Liverpool and Tyneside are at various stages of deciding or implementing measures to improve air quality.
So what you're effectively saying is that no other city has firm plans to limit cars based on their emissions?Bath: Plan for higher emission vehicles except cars to be charged to drive in the city centre from late 2020. Non-compliant buses, coaches and lorries will be charged £100 a day, while taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses will pay £9.
Birmingham: A proposed clean air zone is expected to come into operation in January 2020. Older buses, coaches and lorries will be charged £50 per day, while cars, taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses will be charged £8.
Glasgow: A low emission zone restricting the movement of older buses is already in place. From January 2023 restrictions will extend to older coaches, lorries, taxis, minicabs, vans, minibuses, cars and motorcycles.
Greater Manchester: Proposal that from 2021 older taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses will pay £7.50 per day, while buses, coaches and lorries will pay £100.
Leeds: A 24/7 clean air zone has been approved for January 2020. This will see the most polluting taxis, minicabs and vans facing a £12.50 daily fee, while buses, coaches and lorries will pay £50.
Sheffield: A low emission zone has been proposed for older taxis, minicabs, vans and minibuses, but no start date, hours of operation or daily charge has been confirmed.
Elsewhere: There are restrictions on older buses in Oxford, while Brighton and York will introduce similar schemes in 2020. Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Dundee have all committed to having low emission zones by 2021.
Other places including Coventry, Derby, Leicester, Liverpool and Tyneside are at various stages of deciding or implementing measures to improve air quality.
C70R said:
Tony Gamble said:
C70R said:
If you put the car up for sale at a reasonable price, someone from outside London will buy it.
I'm sorry. I have not followed your 4,000 posts.Have you told us that ULEZ will only apply to London?
I can only presume you missed that bit, and assumed it would be country-wide.
Private companies approach local councils to set the scheme up and take a revenue share. Prepare for the roll out or foolishly think it will not be the case; ever heard the phrase, "incremental revenue"..?
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1111712/...
Tony Gamble said:
It is a 1999 Audi A3.
I have at two (maybe three) quotes and they all range from £700 to £1,000.
But all of them were honest enough to say it would make no difference to ULEZ fees as they were not actually levied on emissions!
It is dead easy. They put a gas tank in the boot, maybe even in the spare tyre well if possible. Two days work.
I've even discussed my Bentley but, as we only use it about a dozen times a year, it would not be worth it.
Wow. Just checked ebay, going price seems to be about 500 quid, and you want to spend 1000 on it to put a gas canister in the back? Lol. There are a couple A3s for 1500 from 2003 that should be compliant without having to do tricks. My heart bleeds I have at two (maybe three) quotes and they all range from £700 to £1,000.
But all of them were honest enough to say it would make no difference to ULEZ fees as they were not actually levied on emissions!
It is dead easy. They put a gas tank in the boot, maybe even in the spare tyre well if possible. Two days work.
I've even discussed my Bentley but, as we only use it about a dozen times a year, it would not be worth it.
OK. I am new around here Killboy and swamp.
Reading the intro for PistonHeads I got the impression that it represented a group of people who treated their cars with care and respect. I assumed it would be a source of information from people who would be as interested in other poster's points of view as much as their own. Foregive me if I am wrong, but that is how the group portrays itself.
Forums come and go. I have been using them since the turn of the century to learn more about technical subjects. In my case a wide range from photography to investing to gardening and now to motor cars. The forums that go are the ones that become dominated by a few noisy bigots who speak but don't want to listen. In the end they kill the forum because the others drift away and the forum becomes like a childrens' playground where games are no longer played and replaced by shouting.
I am not a car fanatic but one of my hobbies is to organise a classic car annual event. An entry that came in yesterday was a 1954 Ford Consul. Do I follow Killboy and swamps advice and tell the owner to empty the glove box and drive it to the scrapyard carefully?
OK Killboy and swamp, a 1999 Audi may not have quite the same heritage. But had either of you wondered why I'd quite like to keep it running? More importantly, and I can see both of you post frequently, had either of you wondered whether you could offer me some positive advice?
I can see from some of the other posters since I have been here for the last couple of weeks that I am not the only one feeling frustration. Me, I have gone to the cloakroom and collected my coat. It is Good Friday. I'll wait in the doorway and listen for a little bit longer. But I doubt if I will be here on Easter Monday.
Reading the intro for PistonHeads I got the impression that it represented a group of people who treated their cars with care and respect. I assumed it would be a source of information from people who would be as interested in other poster's points of view as much as their own. Foregive me if I am wrong, but that is how the group portrays itself.
Forums come and go. I have been using them since the turn of the century to learn more about technical subjects. In my case a wide range from photography to investing to gardening and now to motor cars. The forums that go are the ones that become dominated by a few noisy bigots who speak but don't want to listen. In the end they kill the forum because the others drift away and the forum becomes like a childrens' playground where games are no longer played and replaced by shouting.
I am not a car fanatic but one of my hobbies is to organise a classic car annual event. An entry that came in yesterday was a 1954 Ford Consul. Do I follow Killboy and swamps advice and tell the owner to empty the glove box and drive it to the scrapyard carefully?
OK Killboy and swamp, a 1999 Audi may not have quite the same heritage. But had either of you wondered why I'd quite like to keep it running? More importantly, and I can see both of you post frequently, had either of you wondered whether you could offer me some positive advice?
I can see from some of the other posters since I have been here for the last couple of weeks that I am not the only one feeling frustration. Me, I have gone to the cloakroom and collected my coat. It is Good Friday. I'll wait in the doorway and listen for a little bit longer. But I doubt if I will be here on Easter Monday.
Tony Gamble said:
OK. I am new around here Killboy and swamp.
Reading the intro for PistonHeads I got the impression that it represented a group of people who treated their cars with care and respect. I assumed it would be a source of information from people who would be as interested in other poster's points of view as much as their own. Foregive me if I am wrong, but that is how the group portrays itself.
Forums come and go. I have been using them since the turn of the century to learn more about technical subjects. In my case a wide range from photography to investing to gardening and now to motor cars. The forums that go are the ones that become dominated by a few noisy bigots who speak but don't want to listen. In the end they kill the forum because the others drift away and the forum becomes like a childrens' playground where games are no longer played and replaced by shouting.
I am not a car fanatic but one of my hobbies is to organise a classic car annual event. An entry that came in yesterday was a 1954 Ford Consul. Do I follow Killboy and swamps advice and tell the owner to empty the glove box and drive it to the scrapyard carefully?
OK Killboy and swamp, a 1999 Audi may not have quite the same heritage. But had either of you wondered why I'd quite like to keep it running? More importantly, and I can see both of you post frequently, had either of you wondered whether you could offer me some positive advice?
I can see from some of the other posters since I have been here for the last couple of weeks that I am not the only one feeling frustration. Me, I have gone to the cloakroom and collected my coat. It is Good Friday. I'll wait in the doorway and listen for a little bit longer. But I doubt if I will be here on Easter Monday.
Well said and I agree with everything you've written. The only thing I would say is hang around as there are a lot of good posters on here that can offer you good advice and have a wealth of practical knowledge, unfortunately they tend get lost initially behind the 'shouting' of those that would rather impose their opinion on you as if it were fact, but once you learn who they are you can just look for their posts. Reading the intro for PistonHeads I got the impression that it represented a group of people who treated their cars with care and respect. I assumed it would be a source of information from people who would be as interested in other poster's points of view as much as their own. Foregive me if I am wrong, but that is how the group portrays itself.
Forums come and go. I have been using them since the turn of the century to learn more about technical subjects. In my case a wide range from photography to investing to gardening and now to motor cars. The forums that go are the ones that become dominated by a few noisy bigots who speak but don't want to listen. In the end they kill the forum because the others drift away and the forum becomes like a childrens' playground where games are no longer played and replaced by shouting.
I am not a car fanatic but one of my hobbies is to organise a classic car annual event. An entry that came in yesterday was a 1954 Ford Consul. Do I follow Killboy and swamps advice and tell the owner to empty the glove box and drive it to the scrapyard carefully?
OK Killboy and swamp, a 1999 Audi may not have quite the same heritage. But had either of you wondered why I'd quite like to keep it running? More importantly, and I can see both of you post frequently, had either of you wondered whether you could offer me some positive advice?
I can see from some of the other posters since I have been here for the last couple of weeks that I am not the only one feeling frustration. Me, I have gone to the cloakroom and collected my coat. It is Good Friday. I'll wait in the doorway and listen for a little bit longer. But I doubt if I will be here on Easter Monday.
This used to be a forum full of enthusiasts, but these days there are several cliques of posters that like to criticise instead of offer advice and if you don't agree with them then you are pilloried by their little gangs. It's pathetic really, but as said there are a lot of good people on here too and it is worth hanging around for the wealth of knowledge they possess.
Good luck and have a great Easter.
Tony, I once owned a '99 A3. They are/were very nice cars. I was just slightly incredulous someone would consider spending over £1000 to keep such an old car on the road.
Unfortunately TFL currently offer no upgrade/certification route for private vehicles with respect to the ULEZ. Whether it's a 20 year old Audi or a 5 year old Range Rover, the ULEZ charge will have to be paid.
This situation could change if TFL are put under enough pressure, and there is a simple emissions upgrade available for older cars.
Unfortunately TFL currently offer no upgrade/certification route for private vehicles with respect to the ULEZ. Whether it's a 20 year old Audi or a 5 year old Range Rover, the ULEZ charge will have to be paid.
This situation could change if TFL are put under enough pressure, and there is a simple emissions upgrade available for older cars.
Tony Gamble said:
OK. I am new around here Killboy and swamp.
Reading the intro for PistonHeads I got the impression that it represented a group of people who treated their cars with care and respect. I assumed it would be a source of information from people who would be as interested in other poster's points of view as much as their own. Foregive me if I am wrong, but that is how the group portrays itself.
Forums come and go. I have been using them since the turn of the century to learn more about technical subjects. In my case a wide range from photography to investing to gardening and now to motor cars. The forums that go are the ones that become dominated by a few noisy bigots who speak but don't want to listen. In the end they kill the forum because the others drift away and the forum becomes like a childrens' playground where games are no longer played and replaced by shouting.
I am not a car fanatic but one of my hobbies is to organise a classic car annual event. An entry that came in yesterday was a 1954 Ford Consul. Do I follow Killboy and swamps advice and tell the owner to empty the glove box and drive it to the scrapyard carefully?
OK Killboy and swamp, a 1999 Audi may not have quite the same heritage. But had either of you wondered why I'd quite like to keep it running? More importantly, and I can see both of you post frequently, had either of you wondered whether you could offer me some positive advice?
I can see from some of the other posters since I have been here for the last couple of weeks that I am not the only one feeling frustration. Me, I have gone to the cloakroom and collected my coat. It is Good Friday. I'll wait in the doorway and listen for a little bit longer. But I doubt if I will be here on Easter Monday.
Lol. Calm down dude. I just think it's odd someone will spend double a cars value offering to make it compliant, and whine that the government is trying to Rob them blind, and it's all a big conspiracy to fill government coffers.Reading the intro for PistonHeads I got the impression that it represented a group of people who treated their cars with care and respect. I assumed it would be a source of information from people who would be as interested in other poster's points of view as much as their own. Foregive me if I am wrong, but that is how the group portrays itself.
Forums come and go. I have been using them since the turn of the century to learn more about technical subjects. In my case a wide range from photography to investing to gardening and now to motor cars. The forums that go are the ones that become dominated by a few noisy bigots who speak but don't want to listen. In the end they kill the forum because the others drift away and the forum becomes like a childrens' playground where games are no longer played and replaced by shouting.
I am not a car fanatic but one of my hobbies is to organise a classic car annual event. An entry that came in yesterday was a 1954 Ford Consul. Do I follow Killboy and swamps advice and tell the owner to empty the glove box and drive it to the scrapyard carefully?
OK Killboy and swamp, a 1999 Audi may not have quite the same heritage. But had either of you wondered why I'd quite like to keep it running? More importantly, and I can see both of you post frequently, had either of you wondered whether you could offer me some positive advice?
I can see from some of the other posters since I have been here for the last couple of weeks that I am not the only one feeling frustration. Me, I have gone to the cloakroom and collected my coat. It is Good Friday. I'll wait in the doorway and listen for a little bit longer. But I doubt if I will be here on Easter Monday.
Sorry I don't share your views. I can see you one of those positive contributers that brings value, and doesn't get petty when people don't agree
swamp said:
This situation could change if TFL are put under enough pressure, and there is a simple emissions upgrade available for older cars.
Thanks swamp. This is the sort of discussion I hoped to find around here.I understand what polution does to people. When we were first married we lived in W8. We moved to SW6 on the banks of the Thames. My wife's repeated chest infections diminished significantly because of the cleaner air.
My concern about the ULEZ rules are that they are (a) so blatently unfair that the scheme will be abandonned or (b) if they go through a lot of elderly people who rely on a well maintained, but elderly, car will become isolated. Neither is good for our society.
My concern is increased when I read that Capita are administering the scheme. But I have said that in an earlier thread so I'm not going to repeat it.
I just wanted to let you know, swamp, that I was listening and appreciated your more reasoned post. Thank you. Now what do we do next?
Tony
And now thanks Killboy.
My reply to swamp should explain my thinking.
Yes, I want cleaner air.
No. I find the ULEZ ruling flawed. Just as I found Mrs May's approach to the EU flawed - and look where we are now.
In both cases there are ways of achieving the same objective with more likelyhood of success. Which is what I thought this forum would be about.
Tony
My reply to swamp should explain my thinking.
Yes, I want cleaner air.
No. I find the ULEZ ruling flawed. Just as I found Mrs May's approach to the EU flawed - and look where we are now.
In both cases there are ways of achieving the same objective with more likelyhood of success. Which is what I thought this forum would be about.
Tony
Tony Gamble said:
And now thanks Killboy.
My reply to swamp should explain my thinking.
Yes, I want cleaner air.
No. I find the ULEZ ruling flawed. Just as I found Mrs May's approach to the EU flawed - and look where we are now.
In both cases there are ways of achieving the same objective with more likelyhood of success. Which is what I thought this forum would be about.
Tony
In your case it surely just boils down to how often you currently use the A3 in the proposed zone. The cost of the proposed charge over the year v the cost to change vehicle. My reply to swamp should explain my thinking.
Yes, I want cleaner air.
No. I find the ULEZ ruling flawed. Just as I found Mrs May's approach to the EU flawed - and look where we are now.
In both cases there are ways of achieving the same objective with more likelyhood of success. Which is what I thought this forum would be about.
Tony
The problem on this thread is that it is warped by slightly extreme political views and elderly women panicking. But Inbetween the angry detritus there is a sensible debate going on.
The real point is that we all recognise that this is really a tax. Getting a few old private cars changed isn’t going to fix pollution in London. But at the same time no one is ever going to do anything about it. The most proactive anyone has actually managed to be so far is to suggest signing a petition!!! That tells you everything you need to know. The people who are genuinely impacted by this simply can’t be arsed to actually do anything about it, so why would anyone else even bother?
Just a few dozen cars could actually bring the London road network to a complete halt so as to bring attention to their view but they won’t do anything other than at best sign a petition but generally just sit there whinging and wanting someone else to do it all for them.
The reality is that this plan has been on the table for years and those who object to it have done absolutely nothing and will do absolutely nothing. The question is whether that is a good thing or a bad thing?
DonkeyApple said:
The most proactive anyone has actually managed to be so far is to suggest signing a petition!!! That tells you everything you need to know. The people who are genuinely impacted by this simply can’t be arsed to actually do anything about it, so why would anyone else even bother?
Well the first thing I have done is to speak to my contact at The Fulham Society. They are our local group who monitor all planning applications and government schemes that are likely to impinge on us as local residents. My contact said they had discussed ULEZ at a recent meeting but when I outlined what I saw as its impact she was amazed. "We had no idea" were her words.It was this particular lady, who is on the board of another local charity dealing with the elderly, who mentioned the way it would make those elderly more isolated. They rely on their little put-put car to get them to the surgery, bridge club, book club, etc. Yes, the local buses are brilliant but there isn't one that goes from where we live to my wife's doctor - and it is too far to walk if you are unwell.
I'll make sure Greg Hands, local MP, knows my concerns when his canvasser turns up for the election that seems to be brewing. And aren't I soon likely to be asked to elect an MEP?
I live in a block of sixty apartments. We have a residents meeting coming up in June. I'll get ULEZ to be put on the agenda.
I cannot disagree with you when you say that apathy dominates.
But surely we have to try?
Tony
PS. Answer to your first question on mileage. Probably on average four times a week - to cover, in total, four miles.
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