ULEZ charge in 2021
Discussion
hyphen said:
My 2002 petrol is showing as no charge too, my newer diesel is still caught though.
Suspect Khan had to back down.
I think this is a new comment on the ULEZ website, which effectively confirms that some vehicle as old as 2001 are going to be compliant:Suspect Khan had to back down.
"Upgrade to a second hand vehicle that meets ULEZ standards
Nearly all petrol vehicles produced since 2005 are compliant with the ULEZ standards and so will be 16 years old by the time ULEZ is expanded in 2021
Vehicles which meet the equivalent of the Euro 4 NOx standard for petrol have been available to purchase since 2001 and so will be 20 years old by the time ULEZ is expanded in 2021
The average cost of a 16 year old vehicle is around £1000 and the average cost of a 20 year old vehicle is around £500"
ETA:
It also says:
"Enforcement of the ULEZ will be based on the declared emissions of the vehicle rather than the age.
Generally speaking, ULEZ-compliant petrol cars are those registered after 2005. However cars that meet the ULEZ standards have been available since 2000."
Edited by MaxSo on Saturday 9th June 07:23
croyde said:
Will the 12.50 daily charge still have to be paid even if just parked outside my flat. What if there is a camera nearby. I’d be looking at over £4000 a year.
I'm not sure what if anything has been said about parked up vehicles.I suspect the daily change will only apply to vehicles that move past a detection camera.That said, I think it might depend how and where the cameras are deployed. If they are fixed cameras at entry points and also perhaps along key routes then being parked up will probably be ok. However, I can see them using camera equipped enforcement cars, which would also be capable of catching parked cars.
An option may be to park outside the zone, but parking just outside the zone is likely to get much more difficult and/or expensive.
MaxSo said:
I think this is a new comment on the ULEZ website, which effectively confirms that some vehicle as old as 2001 are going to be compliant:
"Upgrade to a second hand vehicle that meets ULEZ standards
Nearly all petrol vehicles produced since 2005 are compliant with the ULEZ standards and so will be 16 years old by the time ULEZ is expanded in 2021
Vehicles which meet the equivalent of the Euro 4 NOx standard for petrol have been available to purchase since 2001 and so will be 20 years old by the time ULEZ is expanded in 2021
The average cost of a 16 year old vehicle is around £1000 and the average cost of a 20 year old vehicle is around £500"
ETA:
It also says:
"Enforcement of the ULEZ will be based on the declared emissions of the vehicle rather than the age.
Generally speaking, ULEZ-compliant petrol cars are those registered after 2005. However cars that meet the ULEZ standards have been available since 2000."
I successfully registered my 53 plate Saab 9-3 Aero as compliant. Had to do it myself though as their website flagged it as not compliant even though the V5c emissions info is clearly Euro4 compliant. Lots of old Saabs meet the regs, some show up automatically and others need you to do the application process."Upgrade to a second hand vehicle that meets ULEZ standards
Nearly all petrol vehicles produced since 2005 are compliant with the ULEZ standards and so will be 16 years old by the time ULEZ is expanded in 2021
Vehicles which meet the equivalent of the Euro 4 NOx standard for petrol have been available to purchase since 2001 and so will be 20 years old by the time ULEZ is expanded in 2021
The average cost of a 16 year old vehicle is around £1000 and the average cost of a 20 year old vehicle is around £500"
ETA:
It also says:
"Enforcement of the ULEZ will be based on the declared emissions of the vehicle rather than the age.
Generally speaking, ULEZ-compliant petrol cars are those registered after 2005. However cars that meet the ULEZ standards have been available since 2000."
Edited by MaxSo on Saturday 9th June 07:23
I'd say getting a car from a dead manufacturer registered on their system as compliant when listed in error would be as hard as it gets and that was quite easy.
fatboy18 said:
Bottom line is Transport For London is going to make it so hard for the motorist to actually get anywhere that you will HAVE TO USE THEIR Transport. That is the policy. Their slogan Every Journey Matters is solely related to Public transport, Not You (the motorist).
Cant beat Progress ey
That slogan really bugs me.Cant beat Progress ey
As you posted if you are a motorist then TFL will do their utmost to f
k up your journey.On their website it used to give alternatives on how to meet the emission requirements. They left off one important option. Don't bother going into London at all.
As others have posted their website has changed regarding eligibility for exemption.
Months ago I checked for my 20 year old snotter and it didn't meet the regulations so I'd be liable to a charge. Just checked now and it is exempt.
I’m not sure the media have picked up on the true impact of this - it’s insanely restrictive, it can’t possibly bring the benefits predicted and is just another grandstanding, political-pointscoring scam from the slimy lightweight Khan.
Seems there are more than 500,000 pre-EU6 diesels and pre-EU4 petrols registered inside the ULEZ - the vast majority see only occasional use inside the zone. Complete madness to punish private cars when the mayor could very easily legislate to make genuine improvements.
Black cabs exempt? All those “clean” hybrid buses that only meet Euro 5? Complete hypocrisy.
Seems there are more than 500,000 pre-EU6 diesels and pre-EU4 petrols registered inside the ULEZ - the vast majority see only occasional use inside the zone. Complete madness to punish private cars when the mayor could very easily legislate to make genuine improvements.
Black cabs exempt? All those “clean” hybrid buses that only meet Euro 5? Complete hypocrisy.
CoolHands said:
Actually I just tried an old motorbike I flogged that is no way euro-anything V187 DRM a 1999 Honda transalp. An old 600cc engine, and it comes back as compliant. I can’t see how that is possible.CoolHands said:
CoolHands said:
Actually I just tried an old motorbike I flogged that is no way euro-anything V187 DRM a 1999 Honda transalp. An old 600cc engine, and it comes back as compliant. I can’t see how that is possible.The T-charge compliance checker is here
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surchar...
For example, my 2005 Golf TDI is not subject to the LEZ charge but is subject to the T-charge.
Having said that I'm pretty sure bikes are exempt anyway.
(Confirmed: "Cars, vans, minibuses, buses, coaches and HGVs, motorised caravans and horseboxes, breakdown and recovery vehicles, private ambulances, motor hearses, dual purpose vehicles, motorised tricycles and quadricycles")
Edited by sim72 on Saturday 9th June 11:56
NomduJour said:
I’m not sure the media have picked up on the true impact of this - it’s insanely restrictive, it can’t possibly bring the benefits predicted and is just another grandstanding, political-pointscoring scam from the slimy lightweight Khan.
Seems there are more than 500,000 pre-EU6 diesels and pre-EU4 petrols registered inside the ULEZ - the vast majority see only occasional use inside the zone. Complete madness to punish private cars when the mayor could very easily legislate to make genuine improvements.
Black cabs exempt? All those “clean” hybrid buses that only meet Euro 5? Complete hypocrisy.
What he said. Seems there are more than 500,000 pre-EU6 diesels and pre-EU4 petrols registered inside the ULEZ - the vast majority see only occasional use inside the zone. Complete madness to punish private cars when the mayor could very easily legislate to make genuine improvements.
Black cabs exempt? All those “clean” hybrid buses that only meet Euro 5? Complete hypocrisy.
I used to live in Blackheath, in the ULEZ zone. At least half the vehicles on my street would not be compliant. This would be even starker somewhere less affluent - Camberwell, Peckham etc. These cars may not be used much (a London Z3>1 commute in a VW Golf TDi isn't feasible), but when they are used, they are needed. People simply won't be able to afford to scrap their well-maintained motors to replace them with some faceless Eurobox on PCP because Mayor Khan whines that they should.
I bought my current house 500 metres south of the South Circular largely because I was assuming that my low mileage Euro3 Volvo D5 would be hit. I'm not scrapping it - there is nothing whatsoever wrong with it, there simply is no good reason for me to do get rid, and besides I consider it a modern classic - and I've got far more pressing things to spend money on than a Ford Focus 1.0 Ecoboost. This does however mean that I can't go to run an errand in Dulwich, visit family in Walthamstow, or even go through the Blackwall Tunnel to get out of town.
The media are saying nothing. Even the Mail Online carried a story several slots down yesterday which has now disappeared. This will hit an awful lot of not terribly wealthy people, hard. Lunacy.
CoolHands said:
My 2013 car is unable to be found on that, which is a slight worry.CoolHands said:
Unless I'm being spectacularly dim, that site checks your vehicle for compliance with the existing Low Emissions Zone which covers (almost) the entirety of Greater London, has been in place for several years and affects heavy/commercial vehicles, not the upcoming Ultra Low Emissions Zone which will affect cash-strapped families with slightly ageing runabouts. This whole thing is nothing short of criminal. The fact that it has barely been publicised by TFL or picked up by the media beggars belief.
Labour, the party of the working man. My foot.
Half a million vehicles penalised. £12.50 charge applies for moving your car to the other side of the street at 3am.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see mass civil disobedience.
Labour, the party of the working man. My foot.
Half a million vehicles penalised. £12.50 charge applies for moving your car to the other side of the street at 3am.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see mass civil disobedience.
This is the checker.
It's the ULTRA LOW emissions zone.
Not congestion charging or low emissions zone.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emissio...
It's the ULTRA LOW emissions zone.
Not congestion charging or low emissions zone.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emissio...
When the Congestion Charge was brought in in 2000 there was a media furore - citing civil liberties. It is generally impractical to drive a private car within the affected zone - a very small part of central London with prohibitively expensive parking charges - during the relatively sensible hours of operation. I have lived in (suburban) London for 12 years and never paid the charge.
This new ULEZ will affect so many private cars, 24 hours a day in a huge area of suburbia. Why the media silence?
The fact that there is so much confusion, even on a car forum, about which compliance checker website is the right one to use says it all.
This new ULEZ will affect so many private cars, 24 hours a day in a huge area of suburbia. Why the media silence?
The fact that there is so much confusion, even on a car forum, about which compliance checker website is the right one to use says it all.
SmoothCriminal said:
This is the checker.
It's the ULTRA LOW emissions zone.
Not congestion charging or low emissions zone.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emissio...
It's the ULTRA LOW emissions zone.
Not congestion charging or low emissions zone.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emissio...
Sorry everyone, ignore the earlier links. This is the one - my old motorbike is shown as non compliant. It’s annoyingly they haven’t unified their s
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