ULEZ charge in 2021
Discussion
Cotty said:
DonkeyApple said:
When one reads 'Orpington Farmers', is it wrong that one one initially assumes a collective of hydroponics experts with Range Rover Sports?
I know you are jesting but this is from a walk in Orpington
Granadier said:
I know the Orpington and Downe areas are particularly leafy, but you can find more scenes like that in other outer parts of the proposed new ULEZ, such as the southern edge of Sutton borough.
The key is to go to the edge of the green belt and to look at it.
And then thank God it exists and that even though it means property prices are inflated it does at least mean the whole of the South East isn't Croydon or Thamesmead, some form of São Paulo hellhole.
But all that green, along with all the green of the Thames Valley and all the trees inside London are toxic and delivering heavy pollution to Londoners.
Granadier said:
I know the Orpington and Downe areas are particularly leafy, but you can find more scenes like that in other outer parts of the proposed new ULEZ, such as the southern edge of Sutton borough.
It's like that at a lot of the edges, isn't it? Less so on the SW corner because a lot of the Surrey boroughs that would have been moved into London in 1965 refused, so the green bits stayed in Surrey.Some lady (I’m afraid I didn’t catch her name, but gathered she was a london representative of some sort) on Nick Ferrari’s show this morning defending ULEZ;
To paraphrase; Cars are getting bigger and more polluting with bigger engines.
When asked about tradespeople and others dependant on a car to work struggling to fork out to replace their vehicles, this was apparently central govt’s fault for not offering better help to change.
To paraphrase; Cars are getting bigger and more polluting with bigger engines.
When asked about tradespeople and others dependant on a car to work struggling to fork out to replace their vehicles, this was apparently central govt’s fault for not offering better help to change.
swisstoni said:
Some lady (I’m afraid I didn’t catch her name, but gathered she was a london representative of some sort) on Nick Ferrari’s show this morning defending ULEZ;
To paraphrase; Cars are getting bigger and more polluting with bigger engines.
When asked about tradespeople and others dependant on a car to work struggling to fork out to replace their vehicles, this was apparently central govt’s fault for not offering better help to change.
so in other words batsTo paraphrase; Cars are getting bigger and more polluting with bigger engines.
When asked about tradespeople and others dependant on a car to work struggling to fork out to replace their vehicles, this was apparently central govt’s fault for not offering better help to change.
t crazy with no idea?DonkeyApple said:
NMNeil said:
"In 2020, a landmark coroner’s report made Ella the first person in the world to have air pollution cited as a cause of death."
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/1...
That's the poor child who had something like 20 emergency trips to hospital in the last few years of her life but the local authority wouldn't House the family away from the main road and a busy junction despite knowing the heavy fumes in the locale were a serious co tributino factor. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/1...
She was killed by the utter negligence of those whose job is to protect you g children like her. Absolute scum.
And now the same type of creatures are using her corpse for their own political gains.
NMNeil said:
I understand your point, but is it more practical to move many thousands of children away from the source of pollution, or remove the source of the pollution away from the children?
It's not remotely difficult to not house at risk children in high risk locations. All it requires is care not contempt. It is also not difficult for a civilised society to not use a deceased child as a tool of manipulation for a nefarious objective. The individuals who failed her and who were wholly responsible for her death should be held directly to account and removed from their positions so they cannot kill again. Not absolved and permitted to carry on plying their trade and ruining more lives.
Macron said:
Quoted for comedy value.
Was it year 4 or 5 who made the posters during wet play time?
I agree the posters are amateurish, good cause though imo.Was it year 4 or 5 who made the posters during wet play time?
https://anti-ulez.com/?fbclid=IwAR1Pfx7abNseXWl2WZ...
Edited by bad company on Monday 27th March 19:49
bad company said:
Macron said:
Quoted for comedy value.
Was it year 4 or 5 who made the posters during wet play time?
I agree the posters are amateurish, good cause though imo.Was it year 4 or 5 who made the posters during wet play time?
https://anti-ulez.com/?fbclid=IwAR1Pfx7abNseXWl2WZ...
Edited by bad company on Monday 27th March 19:49
lornemalvo said:
It's time we took a leaf out of the French protesters' book, instead of lying down and accepting this crap.
80% of cars in the zone are compliant and so those owners won't notice any difference when the ULEZ kicks in. And some of the remaining 20% are going to be OK with the expansion and the need to have a cleaner vehicle. Others will be mildly annoyed but will just buy another car and get on with life. Leaving some people who are very annoyed, of whom a small minority want to protest. A bit like the 5 tractors that took a trip around Orpington on the weekend with all of 50 protestors standing around.
braddo said:
And some of the remaining 20% are going to be OK with the expansion and the need to have a cleaner vehicle. Others will be mildly annoyed but will just buy another car and get on with life.
For a potential whole tenth of a percentage point difference in levels of pollution?How is that proportionate?
Macron said:
bad company said:
Undercover McNoName said:
I’m not laughing.
Take look at the ‘Action Against ULEZ Extension’ group on Facebook.
Was it year 4 or 5 who made the posters during wet play time?
Imagine going to the effort of deciding on a hashtag to unite and highlight their plight, and settling on #together? I'm sure nobody else will be using that one.
I might turn up just to see the sort of folk who are actually opposing this in the flesh. Looking at the various "Stop ULEZ" Facebook groups, it just looks like a bunch of grumpy old white folks to me. I might even drive my V8 Land Rover in to really confuse them.
ETA - I've just found the FB group responsible for that particular flyer. It's basically a load of old people posting memes and occasional antivax/conspiracy content. Way to organise the revolution!
Edited by C70R on Tuesday 28th March 13:40
lornemalvo said:
bad company said:
Macron said:
Quoted for comedy value.
Was it year 4 or 5 who made the posters during wet play time?
I agree the posters are amateurish, good cause though imo.Was it year 4 or 5 who made the posters during wet play time?
https://anti-ulez.com/?fbclid=IwAR1Pfx7abNseXWl2WZ...
Edited by bad company on Monday 27th March 19:49
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