ULEZ charge in 2021
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bad company said:
lornemalvo said:
bad company said:
Macron said:
Quoted for comedy value.
Was it year 4 or 5 who made the posters during wet play time?
I agree the posters are amateurish, good cause though imo.Was it year 4 or 5 who made the posters during wet play time?
https://anti-ulez.com/?fbclid=IwAR1Pfx7abNseXWl2WZ...
Edited by bad company on Monday 27th March 19:49
rallycross said:
I’m calling out the 80% of cars in the zone being ulez compliant .
Hopefully someone can dig up some real stats.
Just walk up any street and count how many diesels you see which are older than 2015 the majority of these are not ulez free and it’s a lot more than 20%.
I suspect you’re right, no hard evidence though.Hopefully someone can dig up some real stats.
Just walk up any street and count how many diesels you see which are older than 2015 the majority of these are not ulez free and it’s a lot more than 20%.
Now how do I get a certificate of conformity for my TVR?
NomduJour said:
Do you know better than the detailed impact assessment Khan paid for, or is it worth wasting £200m just on the off chance that it might make more than 0.1% difference for about a year?
And of course even those tiny reductions are a reduction on the current levels, that over the last 30 years are already down by 96% for Carbon Monoxide, 78% for Nox, 65% for PM10 and 74% on PM2.5. So the relative reduction is negligible, the health benefits have already been realised. Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 28th March 15:42
C70R said:
That's incredible. I bet they were made by some bloke in his 30s, who lives in his parents' attic in Bromley and drives a 'modern classic'.
Imagine going to the effort of deciding on a hashtag to unite and highlight their plight, and settling on #together? I'm sure nobody else will be using that one.
I might turn up just to see the sort of folk who are actually opposing this in the flesh. Looking at the various "Stop ULEZ" Facebook groups, it just looks like a bunch of grumpy old white folks to me. I might even drive my V8 Land Rover in to really confuse them.
ETA - I've just found the FB group responsible for that particular flyer. It's basically a load of old people posting memes and occasional antivax/conspiracy content. Way to organise the revolution!
It worked in Manchester. Not before they'd pissed all the money up the wall on cameras admittedly, but it worked. Whether it's worked permanently is another question. I still see #RethinkGM stickers on cars and vans on a daily basis. I had one on our Tesla Imagine going to the effort of deciding on a hashtag to unite and highlight their plight, and settling on #together? I'm sure nobody else will be using that one.
I might turn up just to see the sort of folk who are actually opposing this in the flesh. Looking at the various "Stop ULEZ" Facebook groups, it just looks like a bunch of grumpy old white folks to me. I might even drive my V8 Land Rover in to really confuse them.
ETA - I've just found the FB group responsible for that particular flyer. It's basically a load of old people posting memes and occasional antivax/conspiracy content. Way to organise the revolution!
Edited by C70R on Tuesday 28th March 13:40
Kind regards, Grumpy Old Vaccinated Whitey, Manchester.
braddo said:
80% of cars in the zone are compliant and so those owners won't notice any difference when the ULEZ kicks in. And some of the remaining 20% are going to be OK with the expansion and the need to have a cleaner vehicle. Others will be mildly annoyed but will just buy another car and get on with life. Leaving some people who are very annoyed, of whom a small minority want to protest.
A bit like the 5 tractors that took a trip around Orpington on the weekend with all of 50 protestors standing around.
Yup. It's exactly why they are targeting a small group of road users that most people, at best, don't care about. That gets the network set up and the way cleared for the true objective, to charge everyone. That 80% will then want to complain but will be too late. And of course, to complain would be to become a child murdering nazi. A bit like the 5 tractors that took a trip around Orpington on the weekend with all of 50 protestors standing around.
andy43 said:
It worked in Manchester. Not before they'd pissed all the money up the wall on cameras admittedly, but it worked. Whether it's worked permanently is another question. I still see #RethinkGM stickers on cars and vans on a daily basis. I had one on our Tesla
Kind regards, Grumpy Old Vaccinated Whitey, Manchester.
The Action Against ULEZ Facebook Group was started by Manvinder Singh. I don’t know if he’s old, grumpy or vaccinated but I doubt he’s white.Kind regards, Grumpy Old Vaccinated Whitey, Manchester.
bad company said:
andy43 said:
It worked in Manchester. Not before they'd pissed all the money up the wall on cameras admittedly, but it worked. Whether it's worked permanently is another question. I still see #RethinkGM stickers on cars and vans on a daily basis. I had one on our Tesla
Kind regards, Grumpy Old Vaccinated Whitey, Manchester.
The Action Against ULEZ Facebook Group was started by Manvinder Singh. I don’t know if he’s old, grumpy or vaccinated but I doubt he’s white.Kind regards, Grumpy Old Vaccinated Whitey, Manchester.
rallycross said:
I’m calling out the 80% of cars in the zone being ulez compliant .
Hopefully someone can dig up some real stats.
You're right to call it out. It's 85%. Inside the current zone it's 94%.Hopefully someone can dig up some real stats.
I got an email from my local London Assembly member this week with the info. They also confirmed that the scrappage schemes (both the original one and the current one) are cash grants - there is no requirement to buy a brand new car or even a car at all.
NomduJour said:
braddo said:
And some of the remaining 20% are going to be OK with the expansion and the need to have a cleaner vehicle. Others will be mildly annoyed but will just buy another car and get on with life.
For a potential whole tenth of a percentage point difference in levels of pollution?How is that proportionate?
braddo said:
You're right to call it out. It's 85%. Inside the current zone it's 94%.
That’s percentage paying the tax/fine vs all traffic - there are certainly more than 6% of non-compliant residents’ cars parked inside the current zone around here.https://content.tfl.gov.uk/ulez-online-factsheet-j...
braddo said:
It will make the main roads, where NOx is still concentrated, cleaner. That will be of significant benefit to the people living on those roads (together with the other measures around heavy vehicles and taxis).
How did the impact assessment miss that benefit?On the one hand, nearly every vehicle is compliant anyway; on the other, taxing or removing that tiny proportion is going to magically clean the already clean air.
Which one is it?
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