ULEZ charge in 2021

[ZX10R NIN]

They admitted to doing exactly that later down the line & it's no coincidence that the measuring stations have been strategically set up either.

[DonkeyApple]

ZX10R NIN said:

They admitted to doing exactly that later down the line & it's no coincidence that the measuring stations have been strategically set up either.

I thought they always denied it but I was convinced it had happened as my journey time changed dramatically almost overnight.

[diable]

Will be interesting to see how many people this affects in London, personally I am screwed my E30 which does about 1000 miles per year will have to be sold/scrapped and it was just a hobby car, the Subaru BP5 which I think does about 4000 miles per year will have to go and I assume for pennies as prices will crash unless I sell up and move out of London which is a shame as I worn born in London so see it as being forced out.

For all my life I have either used public transport or cycled around London, cars are a hobby and used for trips away and never for commuting.

[croyde]

I've been looking for a cheap scooter or motorbike to replace my stolen Vespa.

Secondhand bikes command big prices these days and insurance company is not interested if it has any value being in London.

Finally found something but sugar! It's not compliant.

A frigging scooter and it's considered a heavy polluter.

Going to make pre 2006 motorbikes harder to sell and post ones more expensive.

And will insurance companies insure more expensive bikes in London.

I think not.

[Jimbo.]

diable said:

Will be interesting to see how many people this affects in London, personally I am screwed my E30 which does about 1000 miles per year will have to be sold/scrapped and it was just a hobby car, the Subaru BP5 which I think does about 4000 miles per year will have to go and I assume for pennies as prices will crash unless I sell up and move out of London which is a shame as I worn born in London so see it as being forced out.

For all my life I have either used public transport or cycled around London, cars are a hobby and used for trips away and never for commuting.

Forgive me if I’ve missed something here, but if you barely use it, then the odd tenner here and there (at a guess, 20 x 50 mile drives, making for an extra £200/year, or £3.80/week...so skip a pint) won’t make too much of a difference?

[croyde]

As to just keeping a car, I suppose it depends where the cameras are.

I'm in a flat, metres within the proposed new 2021 boundary. The residents have an outside car park.

So if a camera spots my car parked every day, I will have to pay £12.50 just to park the car near my home.

£4562.50 per year.

[DonkeyApple]

That’s an oversight on my behalf. I had assumed the tax was due when you used the car rather than a daily charge?

[swamp]

This will affect millions of people, many of whom will still be buying non-compliant vehicles right up to time the fines hit their doormats.

There needs to be much more publicity, and preferably a new scrappage scheme too. At the very least car dealers should make customers sign a disclaimer if they buy a non-ULEZ car.

[croyde]

Just been on a walk thru my car park and the surrounding streets of my little area just inside the South Circular.

A lot of people and families are going to be faced with a big extra expense soon.

The TFL site bangs on about plenty of compliant old cars to buy for under a grand.

I've owned my car 20 years. It's been well looked after. Buying something for a grand, a big expense for me, could well mean a dog that'll cost me plenty during ownership.

[hyphen]

jfire said:

Even some 15 year old 5L V8s are EURO4 compliant. This is the sort of thing those who don't have to worry about the cost of having to fill up on petrol every week will buy.

Is there a list somewhere of these?

[skyrover]

hyphen said:

jfire said:

Even some 15 year old 5L V8s are EURO4 compliant. This is the sort of thing those who don't have to worry about the cost of having to fill up on petrol every week will buy.

Is there a list somewhere of these?

Any petrol V8 from the last 15 years is far cleaner than even the most modern Euro 6 diesel

[bad company]

Thought I’d bump this rather than start a new thread.

There’s a fair bit of publicity about this now. In today’s Sunday Times they reckon this be Sadiq Khan’s poll tax. I’d post a link but it’s behind a paywall.

This is worth a read:-

http://www.abd.org.uk/tag/ulez-impact/

[catfood12]

bad company said:

Thought I’d bump this rather than start a new thread.

There’s a fair bit of publicity about this now. In today’s Sunday Times they reckon this be Sadiq Khan’s poll tax. I’d post a link but it’s behind a paywall.

This is worth a read:-

http://www.abd.org.uk/tag/ulez-impact/

Massive impact for so many people. Great article in the Times. Telling too about the Mayor's Office deliberately using misleading figures. Also just below the article about Khan having lied about when he was told of the Crossrail delays.

[B17NNS]

catfood12 said:

Massive impact for so many people.

Yes. The ones who can least afford it too by the looks of things.

[2Btoo]

bad company said:

In today’s Sunday Times they reckon this be Sadiq Khan’s poll tax.

Nice way of putting it. I really hope it is. I am adamantly and resolutely opposed to this tax. Three of my staff of eight have purchased new vehicles in the light of this forthcoming legislation (slightly prematurely, I happen to think) and at least one other will have to as well.

I don't know what Khan wishes to achieve with the legislation but there could be a LOT of chickens coming home to roost.

[valiant]

Problem is is that Khan is a virtual dead cert to remain as mayor in the next mayoral elections which *i think* happen before the expanded ULEZ comes into force. The Tories have put up a non-entity who just speaks in sound bites and follows the Boris playbook of telling people what they want to hear. When pushed, he has no answer.

Khan won't want a third term as the Labour Party will hopefully be beyond its Corbyn phase by then and it will return to the centre left which is where Khan sits so he isn't worried about re-election a third time.

I agree that a lot of people are unaware that this will effect them. More than a few people at work simply think that it is only affecting the congestion charge zone but not the expanded zone come 2021. Looking at my work's carpark, over 50% are non compliant (inc me ) and they're owned by people who don't like changing their cars often - some of them are in for a nasty surprise in a few years.

[Pica-Pica]

skyrover said:

hyphen said:

jfire said:

Even some 15 year old 5L V8s are EURO4 compliant. This is the sort of thing those who don't have to worry about the cost of having to fill up on petrol every week will buy.

Is there a list somewhere of these?

Any petrol V8 from the last 15 years is far cleaner than even the most modern Euro 6 diesel

Really?

[skyrover]

Pica-Pica said:

skyrover said:

hyphen said:

jfire said:

Even some 15 year old 5L V8s are EURO4 compliant. This is the sort of thing those who don't have to worry about the cost of having to fill up on petrol every week will buy.

Is there a list somewhere of these?

Any petrol V8 from the last 15 years is far cleaner than even the most modern Euro 6 diesel

Really?

Yes really.



https://www.trueinitiative.org/blog/2018/june/true...

[hyphen]

valiant said:

Problem is is that Khan is a virtual dead cert to remain as mayor in the next mayoral elections...

Isn't he seen as weak on crime though?

[CoolHands]

Khan is such a wker. People getting stabbed left right and centre and he’s nowhere. Stupid dick. He dad was a bus driver, don’t know if he mentioned it.