ULEZ charge in 2021
Discussion
CoolHands said:
Khan is such a w
ker.
People getting stabbed left right and centre and he’s nowhere.
He dad was a bus driver, don’t know if he mentioned it.
Agreedker. People getting stabbed left right and centre and he’s nowhere.
He dad was a bus driver, don’t know if he mentioned it.
So at least he's innocent of something
I have far more respect for people who have achieved, who had a lesser start in life than those who simply had wealthy parents
Air quality in big cities is obviously an issue but I'm not sure they are going about it in the right way, especially as the Government spent the best part of two decades encouraging people to buy diesel cars in the first place. Why not just put the road tax and fuel duty on diesel up and let people migrate away naturally like before?
I have a feeling this is more to do with Kahn trying to raise his public profile more than anything else. Take a slightly controversial but not very offensive stance on a political point to generate free PR.
I also think the deadline has something to do with meeting strict EU emissions targets by a certain date but we are supposed to be leaving the EU aren't we?
I have a feeling this is more to do with Kahn trying to raise his public profile more than anything else. Take a slightly controversial but not very offensive stance on a political point to generate free PR.
I also think the deadline has something to do with meeting strict EU emissions targets by a certain date but we are supposed to be leaving the EU aren't we?
Rather than slow the traffic to gridlock in London, hence the increase in pollution, bring in a system where cars can whizz along at 55 mph meaning that pollution will be low and it'll keep the roads clear of non tax paying scum like mobile phone starers, cyclists and moped thieves.
Situation sorted. Vote for me
Situation sorted. Vote for me
I've been driving a van with the exhaust hanging off ie pushing proper crap out for several months, reason being several mechanics can't fix it and suggest £1500 for a new exhaust is the solution, which I'm not spending as it's a euro4 diesel which I want to replace but theres nothing being sold except more diesels which are being increasing punished eg Islington charging punishment rates for pay &display parking. I'd drive out the dealerdship in a new van tomorrow but what mug would buy derv now? like many tradesmen I'm stuck driving a heap waiting for manufacturers to catch up with Mr khunts fantasies.
Teddy Lop said:
I've been driving a van with the exhaust hanging off ie pushing proper crap out for several months, reason being several mechanics can't fix it and suggest £1500 for a new exhaust is the solution, which I'm not spending as it's a euro4 diesel which I want to replace but theres nothing being sold except more diesels which are being increasing punished eg Islington charging punishment rates for pay &display parking. I'd drive out the dealerdship in a new van tomorrow but what mug would buy derv now? like many tradesmen I'm stuck driving a heap waiting for manufacturers to catch up with Mr khunts fantasies.
Just buy a Euro 6 diesel like I did so anything post September 2014 (64 plate onwards) as these aren't going to be effected by this legislation.Guvernator said:
Just buy a Euro 6 diesel like I did so anything post September 2014 (64 plate onwards) as these aren't going to be effected by this legislation.
For how long? Punishment parking rates for diesels are going to be all over London soon and what's the next trick? Once you rack out, deadbolt, and get a van where you need it you want to keep it 10+ years Teddy Lop said:
Guvernator said:
Just buy a Euro 6 diesel like I did so anything post September 2014 (64 plate onwards) as these aren't going to be effected by this legislation.
For how long? Punishment parking rates for diesels are going to be all over London soon and what's the next trick? Once you rack out, deadbolt, and get a van where you need it you want to keep it 10+ years It's surely the private pre-Euo 6 diesel cars (on school runs....) that we want to get back off the roads. They're one who have contributed to the worsening air quality. Not the commercial vehicles which have always been there.
Edited by AC43 on Monday 10th December 11:46
I still think there is a place for diesel, there is no good alternative at the moment that gives the range and the economy. People used to only drive diesels if they did the mileage or needed the towing capacity that warranted it.
The previous poster saying about school runs being a prime example of this is absolutely right people who need to be in diesels (for now!) should be and those who don't do the mileage shouldn't be in them, thats what needs to be encouraged. Get people back to what they should be in, petrol or electric.
I have a small runabout petrol car that emits lower emissions then a lot of new cars, but it won't be the one able to go into the north circ (I live near enough for it to be something to think about) without the charge. So i sell it for peanuts (due to the ULEZ zone) or scrap it, which i can't see as good for the environment either.
The previous poster saying about school runs being a prime example of this is absolutely right people who need to be in diesels (for now!) should be and those who don't do the mileage shouldn't be in them, thats what needs to be encouraged. Get people back to what they should be in, petrol or electric.
I have a small runabout petrol car that emits lower emissions then a lot of new cars, but it won't be the one able to go into the north circ (I live near enough for it to be something to think about) without the charge. So i sell it for peanuts (due to the ULEZ zone) or scrap it, which i can't see as good for the environment either.
People have been misdirected for years by governments and advertising. Larger cars and SUV's have become the must have thing due to some strange idea that they are luxury cars. Unfortunately these types of cars aren't really suitable for smaller, economical petrol engines as they are too big and heavy so the only way to get the desired MPG, range and grunt out of them is to use diesel.
Add to this the fact that the government have misinformed people for years that diesel was better for the planet than petrol and we have ended up where we are with large numbers of people driving around city's in large diesel cars which are entirely inappropriate for their usage e.g short trips to school, shops etc.
Add to this the fact that the government have misinformed people for years that diesel was better for the planet than petrol and we have ended up where we are with large numbers of people driving around city's in large diesel cars which are entirely inappropriate for their usage e.g short trips to school, shops etc.
Guvernator said:
Just buy a Euro 6 diesel like I did so anything post September 2014 (64 plate onwards) as these aren't going to be effected by this legislation.
My car is Nov '14 registered and isn't compliant 
(Volvo D5). On inception of the scheme (mooted for Oct '21) my car will only be 7 years old with tonnes of life left in it. Now, it doesn't affect me too greatly as I mainly get the train into London and drive once or twice a week so paying the levy will still be cheaper than buying a new car but there are plenty who are in a worse position and buying a new car will be too far a stretch for them.
I think the idea of improving London's air is a worth while project but the implementing of this scheme is too blunt a tool. Phasing it in (starting with the really old polluting metal first) over a period of, say, five years and maybe have some sort of scrappage scheme would be more sensible.
valiant said:
My car is Nov '14 registered and isn't compliant (Volvo D5).
On inception of the scheme (mooted for Oct '21) my car will only be 7 years old with tonnes of life left in it. Now, it doesn't affect me too greatly as I mainly get the train into London and drive once or twice a week so paying the levy will still be cheaper than buying a new car but there are plenty who are in a worse position and buying a new car will be too far a stretch for them.
I think the idea of improving London's air is a worth while project but the implementing of this scheme is too blunt a tool. Phasing it in (starting with the really old polluting metal first) over a period of, say, five years and maybe have some sort of scrappage scheme would be more sensible.
there is a sunset period for residents who have 3 more years to review their options. (Volvo D5). On inception of the scheme (mooted for Oct '21) my car will only be 7 years old with tonnes of life left in it. Now, it doesn't affect me too greatly as I mainly get the train into London and drive once or twice a week so paying the levy will still be cheaper than buying a new car but there are plenty who are in a worse position and buying a new car will be too far a stretch for them.
I think the idea of improving London's air is a worth while project but the implementing of this scheme is too blunt a tool. Phasing it in (starting with the really old polluting metal first) over a period of, say, five years and maybe have some sort of scrappage scheme would be more sensible.
As a Londoner im delighted that this is coming in. The difference between a euro 5 and 6 diesel is night and day. Emissions killing 5000 londoners a year, cutting lives short, causing birth defects and attention deficit in children playing in playgrounds.
If you want to improve air quality a number of things need to be addressed by both TFL & the Government, none of it will of course because it's easier to blame/tax the public.
Raise the average speed limits on the major trunk roads out of London to 70mph which will bring a real average speed of 60mph.
Re Open the cut throughs thus enabling traffic to spread & not be stuck on one piece of road.
Reduce the shear number of traffic lights which will help traffic flow.
Raise the speed limit back up to 30mph, as all vehicles have worse pollution rates at 20mph than they do at 30mph.
TFL admitting that their policy of reducing road space to private vehicles by 1/3 has had an adverse effect on air quality.
From the end of the year anyone building apartments within a 1/4 of a mile of each other has to provide a heavily discounted (to the tune of 50%) space for a Dentist/Doctors surgery of a Creche facility & they also have to pay the relevant councils a levy to help cover the impact of X amount of people now coming into the area.
A tax on all the AC units that are just freely pumping pollutants into the air.
Move all freight flights from Gatwick/Stansted/Heathrow to Manston Airport & build the second crossing to Essex (preferably as a link from near Manston to somewhere near the super docks in Essex) this will have a number of benefits:
You free up slots at said airports so the passenger flight can get on the ground sooner & we don't have 100's of planes polluting the atmosphere.
You have less freight travelling on the M25/Dartford tunnel, especially if the second crossing is built as they will using the crossing to link up with the freight outlets in both counties & then spreading out from there with a number of different routes as options.
You introduce normal working people to affordable housing stock which means areas like Margate/Ramsgate will then have a new imputess of money in the area giving them a welcome boost in economy.
Now I'm actually in favour of the ULEZ but I'd do it in a different way, I'd introduce it as it stands right now in the congestion zone in 2020 with it being rolled out to the North & South circular in 2025 but with the revision of it being Euro6 for all (apart from Motorbikes which can still travel as long as they're Euro5 compliant) within these confines, then in 2030 all vehicles traveling into every City in the UK has to be Euro6 compliant that means if you want to add extra cats to your SL55 to make its emissions Euro6 compliant then you can use it.
The above gives people enough time to make the adjustments without there being to much pain financially as the natural cycle of car sales should see this happen anyway.
It also saves Londoners some of the 800 million pounds that was going to used on cameras as TFL would only have to use ANPR which is on most of the North & South Circular to monitor the vehicles passing through, which can then be spent on potholes making journeys swifter for all.
There should be no incentives to buy any particular vehicle instead guidelines on the options available based on your annual mileage & where you predominately do said mileage.
No scrappage schemes let the market shake itself out, the above isn't a perfect solution but imo it's a sensible one but hey when did being sensible come into knee jerk reactions & policy making.
Raise the average speed limits on the major trunk roads out of London to 70mph which will bring a real average speed of 60mph.
Re Open the cut throughs thus enabling traffic to spread & not be stuck on one piece of road.
Reduce the shear number of traffic lights which will help traffic flow.
Raise the speed limit back up to 30mph, as all vehicles have worse pollution rates at 20mph than they do at 30mph.
TFL admitting that their policy of reducing road space to private vehicles by 1/3 has had an adverse effect on air quality.
From the end of the year anyone building apartments within a 1/4 of a mile of each other has to provide a heavily discounted (to the tune of 50%) space for a Dentist/Doctors surgery of a Creche facility & they also have to pay the relevant councils a levy to help cover the impact of X amount of people now coming into the area.
A tax on all the AC units that are just freely pumping pollutants into the air.
Move all freight flights from Gatwick/Stansted/Heathrow to Manston Airport & build the second crossing to Essex (preferably as a link from near Manston to somewhere near the super docks in Essex) this will have a number of benefits:
You free up slots at said airports so the passenger flight can get on the ground sooner & we don't have 100's of planes polluting the atmosphere.
You have less freight travelling on the M25/Dartford tunnel, especially if the second crossing is built as they will using the crossing to link up with the freight outlets in both counties & then spreading out from there with a number of different routes as options.
You introduce normal working people to affordable housing stock which means areas like Margate/Ramsgate will then have a new imputess of money in the area giving them a welcome boost in economy.
Now I'm actually in favour of the ULEZ but I'd do it in a different way, I'd introduce it as it stands right now in the congestion zone in 2020 with it being rolled out to the North & South circular in 2025 but with the revision of it being Euro6 for all (apart from Motorbikes which can still travel as long as they're Euro5 compliant) within these confines, then in 2030 all vehicles traveling into every City in the UK has to be Euro6 compliant that means if you want to add extra cats to your SL55 to make its emissions Euro6 compliant then you can use it.
The above gives people enough time to make the adjustments without there being to much pain financially as the natural cycle of car sales should see this happen anyway.
It also saves Londoners some of the 800 million pounds that was going to used on cameras as TFL would only have to use ANPR which is on most of the North & South Circular to monitor the vehicles passing through, which can then be spent on potholes making journeys swifter for all.
There should be no incentives to buy any particular vehicle instead guidelines on the options available based on your annual mileage & where you predominately do said mileage.
No scrappage schemes let the market shake itself out, the above isn't a perfect solution but imo it's a sensible one but hey when did being sensible come into knee jerk reactions & policy making.
Teddy Lop said:
I've been driving a van with the exhaust hanging off ie pushing proper crap out for several months, reason being several mechanics can't fix it and suggest £1500 for a new exhaust is the solution, which I'm not spending as it's a euro4 diesel which I want to replace but theres nothing being sold except more diesels which are being increasing punished eg Islington charging punishment rates for pay &display parking. I'd drive out the dealerdship in a new van tomorrow but what mug would buy derv now? like many tradesmen I'm stuck driving a heap waiting for manufacturers to catch up with Mr khunts fantasies.
You can get petrol vans , Royal Mail are buying loads of Peugeot 1Rb said:
valiant said:
My car is Nov '14 registered and isn't compliant (Volvo D5).
On inception of the scheme (mooted for Oct '21) my car will only be 7 years old with tonnes of life left in it. Now, it doesn't affect me too greatly as I mainly get the train into London and drive once or twice a week so paying the levy will still be cheaper than buying a new car but there are plenty who are in a worse position and buying a new car will be too far a stretch for them.
I think the idea of improving London's air is a worth while project but the implementing of this scheme is too blunt a tool. Phasing it in (starting with the really old polluting metal first) over a period of, say, five years and maybe have some sort of scrappage scheme would be more sensible.
there is a sunset period for residents who have 3 more years to review their options. (Volvo D5). On inception of the scheme (mooted for Oct '21) my car will only be 7 years old with tonnes of life left in it. Now, it doesn't affect me too greatly as I mainly get the train into London and drive once or twice a week so paying the levy will still be cheaper than buying a new car but there are plenty who are in a worse position and buying a new car will be too far a stretch for them.
I think the idea of improving London's air is a worth while project but the implementing of this scheme is too blunt a tool. Phasing it in (starting with the really old polluting metal first) over a period of, say, five years and maybe have some sort of scrappage scheme would be more sensible.
As a Londoner im delighted that this is coming in. The difference between a euro 5 and 6 diesel is night and day. Emissions killing 5000 londoners a year, cutting lives short, causing birth defects and attention deficit in children playing in playgrounds.
Happy to be proved wrong
See how bloody confusing it all is!!
I've said it before but charging motorcycles older than 2007 12.50 a day is nuts.
Motorcycles and scooters stop congestion but insurance in London means that its only really feesable to run an old bike.
Forcing commuters onto newer bikes that command higher insurance rates, that's if the companies will even cover you, that are more likely to be nicked, is a really really ill thought out idea. Like virtually all of TfL's policies.
Motorcycles and scooters stop congestion but insurance in London means that its only really feesable to run an old bike.
Forcing commuters onto newer bikes that command higher insurance rates, that's if the companies will even cover you, that are more likely to be nicked, is a really really ill thought out idea. Like virtually all of TfL's policies.
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