ULEZ charge in 2021

[Teddy Lop]

hyphen said:

Daily mail reporting that drivers are getting together to plan a protest. Anyone going?

I dunno it affects people who actually y'know, work and have things to do for a living.

Although we bother to vote too so it might do to khan what the western extension did for red ken. If the Tories bother to show up, who even is their candidate poised ready to take advantage?

[Teddy Lop]

hyphen said:

Daily mail reporting that drivers are getting together to plan a protest. Anyone going?

I dunno it affects people who actually y'know, work and have things to do for a living.

Although we bother to vote too so it might do to khan what the western extension did for red ken. If the Tories bother to show up, who even is their candidate poised ready to take advantage?

[Teddy Lop]

AC43 said:

Teddy Lop said:

Guvernator said:

Just buy a Euro 6 diesel like I did so anything post September 2014 (64 plate onwards) as these aren't going to be effected by this legislation.

For how long? Punishment parking rates for diesels are going to be all over London soon and what's the next trick? Once you rack out, deadbolt, and get a van where you need it you want to keep it 10+ years

It makes no sense to me that these policies hammer trades.

It's surely the private pre-Euo 6 diesel cars (on school runs....) that we want to get back off the roads. They're one who have contributed to the worsening air quality. Not the commercial vehicles which have always been there.

Edited by AC43 on Monday 10th December 11:46

this is the thing. Want a hyperfast hybrid/electric SUV to drive your brats 1 mile to school in Hampstead? Well we have seventeen different flavours sir. Tradesman service vehicle y'say? Oh, apparently I'm unnecessary/undesirable road use and should be on a funkin bicycle or something equally stupid.

[OldGermanHeaps]

all tradesmen, every single one who ever needs to use a van to do their job should boycott doing any work on any government building or private dwelling owned by any of the s behind this. it would be nice to see them fry to live without electricity, heating or running water, or to see them trapped inside an unserviced lift for a few days.

[Teddy Lop]

OldGermanHeaps said:

all tradesmen, every single one who ever needs to use a van to do their job should boycott doing any work on any government building or private dwelling owned by any of the s behind this. it would be nice to see them fry to live without electricity, heating or running water, or to see them trapped inside an unserviced lift for a few days.

way ahead of you mate, if there was a list...

Oh yeah its £x an hour plus $$$ envronmental taxes to discourage me from unnecessarily fixing your power okay we cool?

Or how about "yeah I'm here but I can't fix sh!t cos I didn't bring any tools on my bicycle yayy"

[AC43]

996TT02 said:

AC43 said:

London never used to stink like this.

In the 80s if you actually went out of doors and walkabout in central London you would wipe black soot off your face in the evening.

It's a gazillion times better nowadays.

I was here in the 80's when we had LA-like levels of smog at times. It was horrendous.

But then that was sorted by putting catalytic converters on all the petrol cars and it got a lot better

But then the diesels cars arrived. And now the place honks. And is full of soot.

[AC43]

Harry Flashman said:

V8. Compliant. Happy.

Me too. Which begs the question of how much the diesels are really pumping out if a 5.5 or 5.5 TT is loads better.

I was actually looking at one before all the ULEZ/dieselgate thing kicked off but changed my mind sharpish.

[ZX10R NIN]

Diesels are bad if you measure Nitrates only but my CLK63 isn't the best when you look at all emissions especially CO2 which will be the new concern once petrols become popular.

[AC43]

ZX10R NIN said:

Diesels are bad if you measure Nitrates only but my CLK63 isn't the best when you look at all emissions especially CO2 which will be the new concern once petrols become popular.

Fair enough. It's only a matter of time. Fill yer boots while you can.......

[DonkeyApple]

AC43 said:

996TT02 said:

AC43 said:

London never used to stink like this.

In the 80s if you actually went out of doors and walkabout in central London you would wipe black soot off your face in the evening.

It's a gazillion times better nowadays.

I was here in the 80's when we had LA-like levels of smog at times. It was horrendous.

But then that was sorted by putting catalytic converters on all the petrol cars and it got a lot better

But then the diesels cars arrived. And now the place honks. And is full of soot.

There’s a perpetual smell of diesel fumes in Zone 1 these days. London always smelt during the day but what I’ve really noticed is that the fumes are now there all night now that the whole area is awash with minicabs and leisure traffic until the very early hours.

[slk 32]

DonkeyApple said:

There’s a perpetual smell of diesel fumes in Zone 1 these days. London always smelt during the day but what I’ve really noticed is that the fumes are now there all night now that the whole area is awash with minicabs and leisure traffic until the very early hours.

I get the train into Vauxhall then jump on a Boris bike for a 15 minute ride via waterloo bridge and the strand / aldwych. The only vehicles I see are construction traffic, delivery trucks / vans, Ubers, buses and black cabs. The number of private cars I can count on one hand. Coming back in the evening the strand is gridlocked with diesel buses chugging out carcinogens.

The problem with this charge is it's just about plugging TfLs budgetary black hole.. if Khan was serious about pollution he'd do something about the buses for a start.

Once the scheme is rolled out across all London boroughs in 2021 even if it is initially only for commercial vehicles in outer london the infrastructure will be in place to start charging for cars. Plus, once euro 7 comes out for diesel you can be pretty sure euro 6 will be non compliant

[jfire]

I love the way all these 'special' fares like the 'Hopper' or 'capped' (this used to be a Travelcard before Travelcards were deliberately made more expensive to push people to Oyster) are 'helping poor Londoners' where in reality anyone with a car is going to be far better off if they travel to work 2 busses. Of course that only applies where councils haven't put a meter on every single parking space, which was the first battle in the war against the motorist, which was a cynical money spinner under the thin veil of environmentalism.

Don't get me wrong, cities are polluted but the Mayor should be promoting walking (https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=&t=1774890) and taking people away from the cars rather than vice versa. Instead he's signing off massive housing developments, where the're actually rerouting the South Circular in Catford to fit the most flats in the space, directly exposing people to the fumes.

[DonkeyApple]

The real long term solution is to stop the brain drain from the regions. The biggest problem is the huge number of immigrants from the U.K. migrating to London for properly paid work. Not only has it filled the South East and created huge over crowding and cost issues but it has robbed the regions of enormous amounts of wealth.

One of the simplest long term fixes to almost all issues in London and the SE would be a concerted drive to incentivise sections of the service industry to move departments out to the regions.

There are half a million empty homes in the U.K. There isn’t actually a housing shortage. What we have is an employment imbalance. Shift some quality back/middle employment out of the SE and you return wealth and growth to the regions, lift many social pressures etc.

I’m a born and bred Londoner but the regional exodus these days and the 24/7 over crowding has become quite incredible as London has morphed into a City State. Personally, I would flood a handful of key cities in the regions with development grants, tax breaks and massive incentives to stem the flow and to build up zones that can genuinely compete against a global metropolis.

[anonymous-user]

Teddy Lop said:

If the Tories bother to show up, who even is their candidate poised ready to take advantage?

Shaun Bailey, do some digging and you might find he's not what you want any more than Khan sadly!

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

The real long term solution is to stop the brain drain from the regions. The biggest problem is the huge number of immigrants from the U.K. migrating to London for properly paid work. Not only has it filled the South East and created huge over crowding and cost issues but it has robbed the regions of enormous amounts of wealth.

One of the simplest long term fixes to almost all issues in London and the SE would be a concerted drive to incentivise sections of the service industry to move departments out to the regions.

There are half a million empty homes in the U.K. There isn’t actually a housing shortage. What we have is an employment imbalance. Shift some quality back/middle employment out of the SE and you return wealth and growth to the regions, lift many social pressures etc.

I’m a born and bred Londoner but the regional exodus these days and the 24/7 over crowding has become quite incredible as London has morphed into a City State. Personally, I would flood a handful of key cities in the regions with development grants, tax breaks and massive incentives to stem the flow and to build up zones that can genuinely compete against a global metropolis.

100% this, been saying the same for years.

[Guvernator]

The problem is there is often a massive disparity between wages or contract rates in London compared to elsewhere in the country. Yes you could argue rent and living costs are a lot higher but people will often put up with higher costs because the increased earnings more than make up for it.

Plus it means they have access to all of London's attractions which is also a huge draw for many, contrary to popular opinion on here, not everyone wants to live like a hermit, segregated from the rest of mankind.

[anonymous-user]

Guvernator said:

Plus it means they have access to all of London's attractions which is also a huge draw for many, contrary to popular opinion on here, not everyone wants to live like a hermit, segregated from the rest of mankind.

Contrary to Londoners' popular opinions there are other cities and towns with lots to do outside London

[lbc]

slk 32 said:

once euro 7 comes out for diesel you can be pretty sure euro 6 will be non compliant

This is why I will continue to buy and use Euro-4 pre-DPF vehicles, as the goal posts don't move,
and I rarely travel to cities in my own car.

[Guvernator]

cb1965 said:

Contrary to Londoners' popular opinions there are other cities and towns with lots to do outside London

I just knew someone would be in just this kind of comment. It wasn't a dig at our other fair cities or the typical London dwellers bluster, it was merely stating that despite all the problems of overcrowding, air polution, crime etc London has still managed to attract 13% of the UK population to live there and that a big part of that draw besides the obvious money is that it offers the most varied and extensive entertainment and cultural opportunities out of any city in the UK, fact which I think you will agree is pretty inarguable.

[anonymous-user]

Guvernator said:

cb1965 said:

Contrary to Londoners' popular opinions there are other cities and towns with lots to do outside London

I just knew someone would be in just this kind of comment. It wasn't a dig at our other fair cities or the typical London dwellers bluster, it was merely stating that despite all the problems of overcrowding, air polution, crime etc London has still managed to attract 13% of the UK population to live there and that a big part of that draw besides the obvious money is that it offers the most varied and extensive entertainment and cultural opportunities out of any city in the UK, fact which I think you will agree is pretty inarguable.

And what percentage of the 13% who 'choose' to live there do you think can afford to fully enjoy the most varied and extensive entertainment and cultural opportunities? Take your head out of your arse and realise that London may be a dream for some, but it's a nightmare for others like the people you step over on the way to the theatres, museums, restaurants and clubs or those stuck in poverty in the conveniently forgotten virtual slums that somehow never seem to be featured on any of the brochures proclaiming the wonderful world city that London is!