ULEZ charge in 2021
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Insane rents and business rates are forcing independent restaurants out of the more expensive parts of London which is a shame.
When I go somewhere like Bristol or Edinburgh it's refreshing to find independently-run places offering well priced good quality food.
And there are fewer generic retail outlets too.
If I didn't live here I'd want to live somewhere like that.
When I go somewhere like Bristol or Edinburgh it's refreshing to find independently-run places offering well priced good quality food.
And there are fewer generic retail outlets too.
If I didn't live here I'd want to live somewhere like that.
cb1965 said:
Killboy said:
All I know is I'm going for a dinner tonight that will be better than anything you going to get in your town 
You don't know that though do you, but you think you do and that is where the problem lies!cb1965 said:
You're talking utter nonsense, but as it's nothing to do with the ULEZ I'm going to leave it alone this time.
One thing though... wages may be lower in the north, but you don't seem to realise that living costs and housing are proportionally a lot less than London... do the math as they say.
A significantly greater proportion of dross at the middle/bottom end of the value chain?? Compared to Brixton, Peckham???? FFS
You seem to really have it in for Brixton, Peckham, etc. Maybe one day when you furnish the Trip Advisor stats we can compare your paradise to that of whats on offer in Brixton.One thing though... wages may be lower in the north, but you don't seem to realise that living costs and housing are proportionally a lot less than London... do the math as they say.
A significantly greater proportion of dross at the middle/bottom end of the value chain?? Compared to Brixton, Peckham???? FFS
Khan isn't backing away, he is doubling down on the eco. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/11/lo...
Looks like polls show he needs the green vote!
Looks like polls show he needs the green vote!
hyphen said:
Khan isn't backing away, he is doubling down on the eco. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/11/lo...
Looks like polls show he needs the green vote!
It's great that Khan can find the time to deal with global warming while doing absolutely nothing about knife crime in London.Looks like polls show he needs the green vote!
bristolracer said:
Those running London down need to think on.
LEZ and ULEZ is coming to many cities before long.
This.LEZ and ULEZ is coming to many cities before long.
My view is that these new charges should not be retrospective on cars people bought thinking they were doing the right thing. A lot of diesels are driven by people trying to look after their pennies.
I think it’s clear something needs to be done, but in order for people to get behind it, it needs to make sense.
I know someone who bought a 15 plate van a few weeks ago, it won’t be eligible to go in the zone. How does that make sense? No one within sneezing distance of the circulars are going to touch that van when he comes to sell it
Scrapping cars that are old but emissions good, devaluing cars, whilst public transport is good, it’s expensive and not suited to all.
We are not in a place with decent alternatives, there are not enough charging points, or enough power for electric.
If it makes sense the majority will get behind it. This doesn’t make sense
I know someone who bought a 15 plate van a few weeks ago, it won’t be eligible to go in the zone. How does that make sense? No one within sneezing distance of the circulars are going to touch that van when he comes to sell it
Scrapping cars that are old but emissions good, devaluing cars, whilst public transport is good, it’s expensive and not suited to all.
We are not in a place with decent alternatives, there are not enough charging points, or enough power for electric.
If it makes sense the majority will get behind it. This doesn’t make sense
k me who does he think he is? He wants to protect us from floods and fires as well. I think a bit of the messiah complex is with this oneAC43 said:
Anyway, to get back to the original topic, and to summarise my various posts.
In my first decade in London the place stank of unburnt petrol.
In the second decade catalytic converters sorted all that out.
In my third decade it's now stinking of diesel and I'd like that to stop.
Be careful what you wish for. If everyone goes EV there will be nothing to drown out the noise of the whingers. In my first decade in London the place stank of unburnt petrol.
In the second decade catalytic converters sorted all that out.
In my third decade it's now stinking of diesel and I'd like that to stop.
I just signed the online petition to stop this:-
https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-stop-mayor-kha...
https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-stop-mayor-kha...
The thing about any protest is that if people couldn’t be arsed to protest when the plan was being debated then we all know that any protest now is utterly futile. It’s done and the people impacted did nothing at the point when they could have had an impact.
The only way to stop it now is to don balaclavas and smash and burn but people who own cars statistically do not behave in such a way.
I sometimes think that these online petitions are set up by the actual people they proport to be against as a means to assist and speed up the grieving process and undermine any pressures against them by getting the bulk of any army that could stand in their way to think their hobbis done and go home.
As a system, I think petitions would work better if people had to print out their vote, wrap it round a stone from the garden and throw it through a window in Westminster.
The only way to stop it now is to don balaclavas and smash and burn but people who own cars statistically do not behave in such a way.
I sometimes think that these online petitions are set up by the actual people they proport to be against as a means to assist and speed up the grieving process and undermine any pressures against them by getting the bulk of any army that could stand in their way to think their hobbis done and go home.
As a system, I think petitions would work better if people had to print out their vote, wrap it round a stone from the garden and throw it through a window in Westminster.
DonkeyApple said:
The thing about any protest is that if people couldn’t be arsed to protest when the plan was being debated then we all know that any protest now is utterly futile. It’s done and the people impacted did nothing at the point when they could have had an impact.
Well I was reminded on here that I must have been an idiot for buying a diesel, as the plans had been around for years. All I knew was that my mate couldn't drive his van in London. I had no idea I'd be punished for owning a pre 2014 diesel car. Why would I?jfire said:
Well I was reminded on here that I must have been an idiot for buying a diesel, as the plans had been around for years. All I knew was that my mate couldn't drive his van in London. I had no idea I'd be punished for owning a pre 2014 diesel car. Why would I?
You and thousands of others.jfire said:
Well I was reminded on here that I must have been an idiot for buying a diesel, as the plans had been around for years. All I knew was that my mate couldn't drive his van in London. I had no idea I'd be punished for owning a pre 2014 diesel car. Why would I?
The ULEZ was one of Boris’ big projects. It went out to consultation in 2014 and has been regularly covered by all London centric media since about 2013. In fact Ken Livinstone first mooted it years before. It seems hard to imagine anyone living in or especially using a car in the proposed zone not having heard about it at some point over the last 5 years. Leaving any protest to an 11th hour letter to the Times is really not the act of champions.
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