Abandoned Evo, Discovery and Saab
Discussion
InitialDave said:
Decky_Q said:
Daughter of a regular customer comes in with a mini one with abs light on, needs an abs pump at £1600 and 2nd hand isn't viable option (16 variations of the pump) so she says can you sell it? we try but no one wants a mini with a £1600 bill (even for £300 when its running perfectly bar the pump) so it sits there for a year or so until she agrees to scrap it.
I'd have thought the logical thing to do would be to remove the ABS pump entirely and replumb the brakes without it.Barchettaman said:
Sounds like a fairly bad idea - just one scenario, if the girl has a fatal accident related to braking distance/locking brakes, wouldn't the mechanic be on the hook for illegally modifying a safety system?
What makes you think it's illegal? Wait Here Until Green Light Shows said:
Or just fit a simple timer to the ABS light so that it passes the MOT, and drive it like it doesn't have ABS (i.e carefully), which would be a lot easier.
I would agree in a pinch (or just cover the light), but having had faulty ABS exhibit some downright dangerous behaviour (deciding a wheel is locked and not letting that caliper operate), I'm generally of the opinion that I want it either working or fully disabled.InitialDave said:
Barchettaman said:
Sounds like a fairly bad idea - just one scenario, if the girl has a fatal accident related to braking distance/locking brakes, wouldn't the mechanic be on the hook for illegally modifying a safety system?
What makes you think it's illegal? Wait Here Until Green Light Shows said:
Or just fit a simple timer to the ABS light so that it passes the MOT, and drive it like it doesn't have ABS (i.e carefully), which would be a lot easier.
I would agree in a pinch (or just cover the light), but having had faulty ABS exhibit some downright dangerous behaviour (deciding a wheel is locked and not letting that caliper operate), I'm generally of the opinion that I want it either working or fully disabled.Disclaimer: Before the captain obvious types arrive...Obviously disabling the ABS or fooling the MOT man is naughty. If you crash and they find your handy work you might be in trouble etc.
Wait Here Until Green Light Shows said:
The ABS light has to illuminate for a few seconds after turning on the ignition, and then go out to pass the MOT. So covering or removing the bulb won't work, hence the need for a timer circuit.
Ah, yes, they changed it to cover that, didn't they?InitialDave said:
I wish the DVLA had a service where, for a fee, they would pass a letter on to the registered keeper of a car.
My dad's old 9000 Aero is on SORN somewhere, as is my mum's old E30 325i, and I wouldn't mind being able to pass along a "if you ever want to sell it, drop me a line" message.
In a roundabout way they do - Send them a completed V62 form, and if nobody replies, they send you a V5, It's not proof of ownership though, but does show the previous keeper details on it.My dad's old 9000 Aero is on SORN somewhere, as is my mum's old E30 325i, and I wouldn't mind being able to pass along a "if you ever want to sell it, drop me a line" message.
It may not end well though, or at least it certainly didn't for Mr Bhatti of Garaged.com...
You'd also be surprised to know how many idiots try this with rental vehicles!
Second Best said:
Little confused as to how you can call an enthusiasts car a "pile of s
te" when all you have to show is a little toy model of a Cossie? 
Because its a 4, the least desirable evo. The engines are scrap and they rot like nothing else. Non brembo brakes, non lsd front diff, the ayc pump in the back will have had it by now (most expensive part on a 4) ecu is unmappable. Unfortunately for you i know a considerable amount about these cars te" when all you have to show is a little toy model of a Cossie? 
its not a toy its in a collection of model cars, nothing wrong with having a hobby Edited by HedgeyGedgey on Tuesday 24th October 12:13
Just to reply to posts about the ABS pump. Garage owner wasn't for disabling it but did inform the girls father about a garage that would, but he didn't want her driving a car that might increase her risk of having a shunt or any of the possible insurance implications if a shunt was serious and investigated thoroughly.
I was offered it for £200 and thought about a fine drill bit through the led lamp on the dash, but in the end decided against as I have 5 perfectly good cars that I don't want to sell, and the mini would be unsaleable in my opinion.
I was offered it for £200 and thought about a fine drill bit through the led lamp on the dash, but in the end decided against as I have 5 perfectly good cars that I don't want to sell, and the mini would be unsaleable in my opinion.
Nice looking IV. It's a shame to see it left like this.
The IV underside is actually less prone to rot due the thicker chassis legs at the back where the 5 6 and 7 rot like fun.
It's also one of the lightest out of the lot so stick a newer engine in with a later ecu and they go very well.
Also the IV gearbox is one of the strongest of out of the 4 5 and 6 due to more meat on the gears.
The Ayc diff is very weak though so upping the power can destroy it .
I bet the underside is in a bad way just left outside like that.
The IV underside is actually less prone to rot due the thicker chassis legs at the back where the 5 6 and 7 rot like fun.
It's also one of the lightest out of the lot so stick a newer engine in with a later ecu and they go very well.
Also the IV gearbox is one of the strongest of out of the 4 5 and 6 due to more meat on the gears.
The Ayc diff is very weak though so upping the power can destroy it .
I bet the underside is in a bad way just left outside like that.
I had an old Audi 80, took it to a garage for MOT after owning it for a year, garage failed it as said the ABS light illuminated and worked as it should, but it took a few seconds longer than their MOT guide to go out when starting. They reckoned it had a timer or had been wired into the oil pump.
The ironic thing was it had a dash switch to turn off the ABS and the manual stated the ABS was optional and you could drive without it if you wanted!!
Went somewhere else and they passed it.
The ironic thing was it had a dash switch to turn off the ABS and the manual stated the ABS was optional and you could drive without it if you wanted!!
Went somewhere else and they passed it.
InitialDave said:
Decky_Q said:
Daughter of a regular customer comes in with a mini one with abs light on, needs an abs pump at £1600 and 2nd hand isn't viable option (16 variations of the pump) so she says can you sell it? we try but no one wants a mini with a £1600 bill (even for £300 when its running perfectly bar the pump) so it sits there for a year or so until she agrees to scrap it.
I'd have thought the logical thing to do would be to remove the ABS pump entirely and replumb the brakes without it.Replumb the brakes, the work of a moment, redesign the system, make sure it brakes evenly.
Then you need to insure it as being modified.
Then you need to recode various electronic modules that are now wondering where the ABS gubbins went.
Then sell a car thats had the ABS removed, a system fitted as a mandatory requirement since the early 2000s or thereabouts..
J4CKO said:
Yeah, because that would be dead easy and would pass the MOT.
Replumb the brakes, the work of a moment, redesign the system, make sure it brakes evenly.
Then you need to insure it as being modified.
Then you need to recode various electronic modules that are now wondering where the ABS gubbins went.
Then sell a car thats had the ABS removed, a system fitted as a mandatory requirement since the early 2000s or thereabouts..
When you're talking about a £1600 bill though...Replumb the brakes, the work of a moment, redesign the system, make sure it brakes evenly.
Then you need to insure it as being modified.
Then you need to recode various electronic modules that are now wondering where the ABS gubbins went.
Then sell a car thats had the ABS removed, a system fitted as a mandatory requirement since the early 2000s or thereabouts..
ollie plymsoles said:
Nice looking IV. It's a shame to see it left like this.
The IV underside is actually less prone to rot due the thicker chassis legs at the back where the 5 6 and 7 rot like fun.
It's also one of the lightest out of the lot so stick a newer engine in with a later ecu and they go very well.
Also the IV gearbox is one of the strongest of out of the 4 5 and 6 due to more meat on the gears.
The Ayc diff is very weak though so upping the power can destroy it .
I bet the underside is in a bad way just left outside like that.
The 5 speed boxes are all the same strength, whether it be from a 7 or a 4 rs. The 6 speeds are weak because they use the same casing, so the gears have to be narrower to get the extra 6th gear in. A 4 ayc pump is the same as 5 or 6. Its the actual diff casing thats the weak link and the diff is different due to the narrower track, 500bhp or so is their limit, depends on how agressive the torque curve is. And the rear chassis legs actually share the same part number as the 5 or 6. Which ironically is the same as the 7,8 & 9 bar the exhaust mounting which needs to be movedThe IV underside is actually less prone to rot due the thicker chassis legs at the back where the 5 6 and 7 rot like fun.
It's also one of the lightest out of the lot so stick a newer engine in with a later ecu and they go very well.
Also the IV gearbox is one of the strongest of out of the 4 5 and 6 due to more meat on the gears.
The Ayc diff is very weak though so upping the power can destroy it .
I bet the underside is in a bad way just left outside like that.
Edited by HedgeyGedgey on Tuesday 24th October 14:30
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