RE: The Elise Cup 260; lighter, meaner, pricier
Discussion
twinturban said:
Isn't it more ridiculous that a person obsessed with Porsche spends all his time in the Lotus section?
Your mission in life appears to be putting people off buying a Lotus but I think you're doing a better job of putting people off Porsche! Lol!
Not brand loyal to anything, just say it how it is what ever the brand, done 5 years in Lotus and 10 in Porkers.Your mission in life appears to be putting people off buying a Lotus but I think you're doing a better job of putting people off Porsche! Lol!
I want people to buy cars on the 50/50 at these daft prices so I can buy them 1/2 price in 2 years.
IF you don't like a Porsche don't buy one, nothing I will say changes what people buy.
in the last 30 days you have posted 4 times, 2 in Lotus section 2 in the Porsche section ! and the Lotus posts were only to slag me off lol
Taking the individual anecdote as fact for a whole brand - the only car I have seen have a serious problem on track was a Porsche Boxster Spyder which blew its oil sump, spread oil on the exhaust and promptly set itself on fire.
I have never seen that happen to an Elise so they must be better in every way!
I have never seen that happen to an Elise so they must be better in every way!
Isn't this car basically 21 years old now?
Does it still smell of glue?
Will anyone seriously walk by a Cayman GTS and get into one of these?
I'm all for buying British with the Brexit and all that but just don't see this as anyone's answer. Lotus need to stick at the £30k price point where many of the flaws of their cars can be overlooked.
Does it still smell of glue?
Will anyone seriously walk by a Cayman GTS and get into one of these?
I'm all for buying British with the Brexit and all that but just don't see this as anyone's answer. Lotus need to stick at the £30k price point where many of the flaws of their cars can be overlooked.
Helicopter123 said:
Isn't this car basically 21 years old now?
Does it still smell of glue?
Will anyone seriously walk by a Cayman GTS and get into one of these?
I'm all for buying British with the Brexit and all that but just don't see this as anyone's answer. Lotus need to stick at the £30k price point where many of the flaws of their cars can be overlooked.
Of course people would walk past a Cayman GTS. The Porsche is inferior in many ways. Smell of glue? It's not a fDoes it still smell of glue?
Will anyone seriously walk by a Cayman GTS and get into one of these?
I'm all for buying British with the Brexit and all that but just don't see this as anyone's answer. Lotus need to stick at the £30k price point where many of the flaws of their cars can be overlooked.
king TVR.SidewaysSi said:
Helicopter123 said:
Isn't this car basically 21 years old now?
Does it still smell of glue?
Will anyone seriously walk by a Cayman GTS and get into one of these?
I'm all for buying British with the Brexit and all that but just don't see this as anyone's answer. Lotus need to stick at the £30k price point where many of the flaws of their cars can be overlooked.
Of course people would walk past a Cayman GTS. The Porsche is inferior in many ways. Smell of glue? It's not a fDoes it still smell of glue?
Will anyone seriously walk by a Cayman GTS and get into one of these?
I'm all for buying British with the Brexit and all that but just don't see this as anyone's answer. Lotus need to stick at the £30k price point where many of the flaws of their cars can be overlooked.
king TVR.Which, ironically, I bought from a Porsche dealer
Some people just don’t *want* a Porsche.
Tickle said:
Yes, both the Elise in this picture are 21 years old, exactly the same.
Similar to both these 50 year old 911.
I don't mean to be funny - I love the Elise - but that's a stupid argument.Similar to both these 50 year old 911.
There is some fundamental carryover between the first Elise that left the line and the latest Cup 260 - strip off the bodywork and hide the engine and someone not well versed in the differences wouldn't be able to tell you which was which. The same couldn't be said for the 911 which has gone from a relatively petite sports car to a bloated GT over its life.
The bigger question is, that really a problem? People complain about a lack of interior space, but for me I like a narrow, compact, agile, car and plays to its strength as a B-road tool for sheer fun. Of course many cars actually change relatively little under the skin from generation to generation, but on the Elise it is really rather obvious because the chassis is such a prominent part of the interior.
To me though, if you start making it bigger and the appeal starts to diminish. In a world where (as the 911 photo shows) cars keep ballooning in size and become harder to place and enjoy on rural roads I don't view that as a positive. Maybe when I'm old and fat my opinion will change, and maybe then I'll start shopping for a Porsche.
LotusOmega375D said:
I have to say it's amazing how quickly his fingertips react to any Lotus thread.`You have to hand it to him, he was first up with this one.
Yes, it's good to see him back on form - it took him until page 2 of the Evora thread, which I thought was a worrying lapse.Gadzookoids said:
Taking the individual anecdote as fact for a whole brand - the only car I have seen have a serious problem on track was a Porsche Boxster Spyder which blew its oil sump, spread oil on the exhaust and promptly set itself on fire.
I have never seen that happen to an Elise so they must be better in every way!
Bar all the s2 Exige's which loose 3rd gear on most track days ! and that still happens on the v6 on 4th and 5th gear !I have never seen that happen to an Elise so they must be better in every way!
that's after the heat soke has slowed them down after 3 laps !
at least the elise went to charge cooling in 2012, the V6 is a s
tter though for itMy Elise also caught fire ! and there was a recall for that issue !
or rear toe links trying to kill you if you track one !
https://youtu.be/8odtKj7aXFM
yes they do smell of clue and you can see the glue lines, why they use red glue seems daft.
and the endless K series head gaset fails
I love the cars at the £30k price point, they do look and feel cheap at >£40k let alone £60k
most owners here have an older one as the car IS 21 years old and basic the same thing bar the new ones weigh more !
Porsche also have bad times from 2005 to 2010 with engines, but difference is you get it fixed quick and have a nice loan car, with a Lotus you can wait 6 months, have to get taxi's or a crap cheap banger if you are lucky, ok on a £20k car not with a £60k car.
Both my Exiges needed a little bit of warranty work - it was done at my convenience, with a courtesy car.
When one needed a new clutch, yes I admit the field engineer had to come and look at it first ( it's a fair job to do and Lotus can't just chuck money around with gay abandon) but again, was done at my convenience with a courtesy car.
This is real life experience over the last 3 years or so.
When one needed a new clutch, yes I admit the field engineer had to come and look at it first ( it's a fair job to do and Lotus can't just chuck money around with gay abandon) but again, was done at my convenience with a courtesy car.
This is real life experience over the last 3 years or so.
MellowshipSlinky said:
Both my Exiges needed a little bit of warranty work - it was done at my convenience, with a courtesy car.
When one needed a new clutch, yes I admit the field engineer had to come and look at it first ( it's a fair job to do and Lotus can't just chuck money around with gay abandon) but again, was done at my convenience with a courtesy car.
This is real life experience over the last 3 years or so.
can a dealer not pass a clutch !! lol what does "my convenience" mean if the clutch is gone you cannot drive it !When one needed a new clutch, yes I admit the field engineer had to come and look at it first ( it's a fair job to do and Lotus can't just chuck money around with gay abandon) but again, was done at my convenience with a courtesy car.
This is real life experience over the last 3 years or so.
how long did you have to wait for the "field engineer " ? the "field engineer " thing is the BIG issue with me, I bought a new car on the basis a fault on a BRAND new car would be fixed straight away, so I drove off in it, it took 6 months to fix it !!!
I know people out cars for the whole of summer 2017 :-(
The clutch hadn't bust, just noisy.
Car was totally driveable with no affect in performance,
I think I waited 2 weeks for him to take a look and then another 2 weeks for the dealer to have a slot to do the work.
David, what confuses me with your constant bashing of Lotus, whilst you say you'd like one, the way the company works seems to cause you much pain and anguish.
Perhaps you'd be better off setting your sights a bit lower and get another Porsche?
Car was totally driveable with no affect in performance,
I think I waited 2 weeks for him to take a look and then another 2 weeks for the dealer to have a slot to do the work.
David, what confuses me with your constant bashing of Lotus, whilst you say you'd like one, the way the company works seems to cause you much pain and anguish.
Perhaps you'd be better off setting your sights a bit lower and get another Porsche?
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