RE: The Elise Cup 260; lighter, meaner, pricier
Discussion
MellowshipSlinky said:
The clutch hadn't bust, just noisy.
Car was totally driveable with no affect in performance,
I think I waited 2 weeks for him to take a look and then another 2 weeks for the dealer to have a slot to do the work.
David, what confuses me with your constant bashing of Lotus, whilst you say you'd like one, the way the company works seems to cause you much pain and anguish.
Perhaps you'd be better off setting your sights a bit lower and get another Porsche?
I think you need to have a certain type of mindset to own a Lotus. Normally mechanically minded people who don't mind getting their hands dirty will buy a Lotus as they will have a good understanding of the mechanics of them. Car was totally driveable with no affect in performance,
I think I waited 2 weeks for him to take a look and then another 2 weeks for the dealer to have a slot to do the work.
David, what confuses me with your constant bashing of Lotus, whilst you say you'd like one, the way the company works seems to cause you much pain and anguish.
Perhaps you'd be better off setting your sights a bit lower and get another Porsche?
That's why your average Job Bloggs that knows nothing about cars and just wants it for the badge goes out and buys a Porsche. Its just the generic selection for a sports car.
Thing is I know various people that have owned Porsche in the past but have been let down by Crankseals leaking etc. You would of thought Porsche being the company it is having near perfect reliability and none of these silly issues.
MellowshipSlinky said:
The clutch hadn't bust, just noisy.
Car was totally driveable with no affect in performance,
I think I waited 2 weeks for him to take a look and then another 2 weeks for the dealer to have a slot to do the work.
David, what confuses me with your constant bashing of Lotus, whilst you say you'd like one, the way the company works seems to cause you much pain and anguish.
Perhaps you'd be better off setting your sights a bit lower and get another Porsche?
lol I love the way they drive, it's the ltd ed and all the crap you have to go though if it goes wrong.Car was totally driveable with no affect in performance,
I think I waited 2 weeks for him to take a look and then another 2 weeks for the dealer to have a slot to do the work.
David, what confuses me with your constant bashing of Lotus, whilst you say you'd like one, the way the company works seems to cause you much pain and anguish.
Perhaps you'd be better off setting your sights a bit lower and get another Porsche?
you buy a cup 220 a cup 250 comes out, then within 4 months another cup 250 comes out, then 6 months you have a cup 260.
I bought my GT4 knowing it's the top car in the model line up and will be for at least 4 years and it cost me £74k and is worth £80k after 2 years still !
A dealer will sell you a new/old car knowing they have the new one in the back !
dealers still have the gen 1 cup 250 for sale with the old sloppy gearbox, and Lotus have done all the dealers in and that's bad for resale values.
if the model runs were set in stone like Porsche and dealers like Murray's did not give cars away, I might be in one.
but my local dealer will not match a price from Murray's and if it goes wrong my local dealer won't give a s
t if I buy a car from Murray's, why would they !so I would have to pay more for a car to secure good back up, which is needed for a Lotus which is discounted at other dealers in a massive way, so I am out of pocket before I have left the show room and out of date as Lotus will bring another model out in 6 months.
Porsche are taking a leaf out of Lotus book with ltd ed and the issue is you have to be VIP to get anything now.
I can Porsche bash, they have got so much in demand because of the hype the ave person is not allowed one.
The GT4 is a cracking car and mega value though I must say.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 25th October 10:21
David, Lotus have very recently cracked down on the stupid cheap deals some dealers were doing.
I’m not sure who your ‘local’ dealer is but if it’s the same as mine, car sales, whilst obviously important to them, doesn’t seem to be the be all and end all for them and they won’t do particular discounting.
Both my Exiges were bought elsewhere, but my local dealer always bent over backwards to accommodate my needs.
I guess part of it is due to how you present yourself to them - go in all Billy Big bks Know it All (obviously, I’m not saying that’s you...not at all...) and they’ll suss you out in an instance....
I’m not sure who your ‘local’ dealer is but if it’s the same as mine, car sales, whilst obviously important to them, doesn’t seem to be the be all and end all for them and they won’t do particular discounting.
Both my Exiges were bought elsewhere, but my local dealer always bent over backwards to accommodate my needs.
I guess part of it is due to how you present yourself to them - go in all Billy Big b
ks Know it All (obviously, I’m not saying that’s you...not at all...) and they’ll suss you out in an instance....Rawwr said:
I don't get the out of date thing. If you were happy with your car when you bought it, why would you be less happy because something else was released?
I've only had my 220 Cup for 4 months and have had no desire to upgrade it. If I did I would do the 260 upgrade to it and it will be the same car in essence. I feel the car is quick enough as it is so the only reason to tune it up would be to keep up with the Jones. I'm not like that so don't give two hoots if there is a newer more powerful version.
The Cup is a limited edition car over a standard Elise whether you have an original S Cup or the 260 so I'm happy to own the lesser version. I know I'm £25k better off with what I have though.
Rawwr said:
I don't get the out of date thing. If you were happy with your car when you bought it, why would you be less happy because something else was released?
I like to buy the top model in the range and have no regrets, it's been a my motto in life and stood me well over my car buying life, while people buy cheap buy twice, or buy cheap and fit a komotec kit etc etc same with TV's or most things.If you buy the best available you never have that need to upgrade as there is no upgrade path, and you know this with Porsche for at least 4 years.
So after 2 years if you want to move the car on you are selling the top model in the range knowing the next owner will be buying the top model and that it will still be for another 2 years, it's great for resale and values. And allows people on a low wage like me to drive cars worth £100k.
the cup 250 is a great car and I would be happy buying one, but then to have another within 4 months with one of the biggest issue fixed in the sloppy change it would piss me right off, esp when you then ask for a part ex and it's now classed as out of date and only worth £31k trade value !
yes people are happy in their gen 1 cup 250, but the gen 2 cup 250 is a better car and if you want the best a company can do at the time then you will want the new car. resale has now hit you in the b
ks after 4 months as your car is out of date.Then 6 months later they bring out the cup 260 lol so that new cup 250 with the open gate box is now out of date again all with in a year and taken another £10k hit
It kills sales, it kills resale and hurts dealers.
buying a cup 220 and komo tec it is lost money and makes the car even harder to sell with zero warranty to boot.
ok if a keeper, but no car is a keeper in my line up.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 25th October 11:23
So in that respect David, why do you always comment the same thing on every Lotus thread ever on PH?
You find enough faults with the products and company I really can't see why you wouldn't ignore these threads?
The company is clearly not for you.
Lotus isn't going to change just for you, so your choice is either like it, or lump it.
You find enough faults with the products and company I really can't see why you wouldn't ignore these threads?
The company is clearly not for you.
Lotus isn't going to change just for you, so your choice is either like it, or lump it.
Edited by MellowshipSlinky on Wednesday 25th October 11:28
Rawwr said:
To me, that just seems like the attitude of someone deeply insecure about their own decisions.
I cannot see why that is insecure, it's good business sense, I run about in x amount worth of cars I own outright because I buy wise. !How can buying a car at the top of it's game be an insecure decision ? knowing I can sell it in two years as still the best car in that model range gaining max value back for it. it's not pose value or snob value other wise I would buy 911's ;-)
it's very hard to sell a gen 1 cup 250 now unless you price it £10k less. it basics Martin !
I find the comment very odd esp from you.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 25th October 12:31
Porsche911R said:
I like to buy the top model in the range and have no regrets, it's been a my motto in life and stood me well over my car buying life, while people buy cheap buy twice, or buy cheap and fit a komotec kit etc etc same with TV's or most things.
If you buy the best available you never have that need to upgrade as there is no upgrade path, and you know this with Porsche for at least 4 years.
So after 2 years if you want to move the car on you are selling the top model in the range knowing the next owner will be buying the top model and that it will still be for another 2 years, it's great for resale and values. And allows people on a low wage like me to drive cars worth £100k.
the cup 250 is a great car and I would be happy buying one, but then to have another within 4 months with one of the biggest issue fixed in the sloppy change it would piss me right off, esp when you then ask for a part ex and it's now classed as out of date and only worth £31k trade value !
yes people are happy in their gen 1 cup 250, but the gen 2 cup 250 is a better car and if you want the best a company can do at the time then you will want the new car. resale has now hit you in the bks after 4 months as your car is out of date.
Then 6 months later they bring out the cup 260 lol so that new cup 250 with the open gate box is now out of date again all with in a year and taken another £10k hit
It kills sales, it kills resale and hurts dealers.
buying a cup 220 and komo tec it is lost money and makes the car even harder to sell with zero warranty to boot.
ok if a keeper, but no car is a keeper in my line up.
So what you are saying is your choice of car is skewed by the financial aspects of ownership i.e. the GT4 is always going to be the choice over an Exige Sport 380 as it's more affordable (relatively speaking)? I think this is a fair and valid point to make, it is probably a major factor when most people buy a car, me included, but it isn't a good reason to bash Lotus for continuously developing their products to be better (which I think they should be applauded for). If you buy the best available you never have that need to upgrade as there is no upgrade path, and you know this with Porsche for at least 4 years.
So after 2 years if you want to move the car on you are selling the top model in the range knowing the next owner will be buying the top model and that it will still be for another 2 years, it's great for resale and values. And allows people on a low wage like me to drive cars worth £100k.
the cup 250 is a great car and I would be happy buying one, but then to have another within 4 months with one of the biggest issue fixed in the sloppy change it would piss me right off, esp when you then ask for a part ex and it's now classed as out of date and only worth £31k trade value !
yes people are happy in their gen 1 cup 250, but the gen 2 cup 250 is a better car and if you want the best a company can do at the time then you will want the new car. resale has now hit you in the b
ks after 4 months as your car is out of date.Then 6 months later they bring out the cup 260 lol so that new cup 250 with the open gate box is now out of date again all with in a year and taken another £10k hit
It kills sales, it kills resale and hurts dealers.
buying a cup 220 and komo tec it is lost money and makes the car even harder to sell with zero warranty to boot.
ok if a keeper, but no car is a keeper in my line up.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 25th October 11:23
As someone else said, if the Cup 250 was good enough to get your pennies in the first place it's not going to make one iota of a difference to that car no matter how many others are released so sit back and enjoy.
Porsche911R said:
Rawwr said:
To me, that just seems like the attitude of someone deeply insecure about their own decisions.
I cannot see why that is insecure, it's good business sense, I run about in x amount worth of cars I own outright because I buy wise. !How can buying a car at the top of it's game be an insecure decision ? knowing I can sell it in two years as still the best car in that model range gaining max value back for it. it's not pose value or snob value other wise I would buy 911's ;-)
it's very hard to sell a gen 1 cup 250 now unless you price it £10k less. it basics Martin !
I find the comment very odd esp from you.
Even more bizarre is the incessant posting on threads asserting this unusual - and it is unusual - view.
MellowshipSlinky said:
Lotus isn't going to change just for you, so your choice is either like it, or lump it.
Lotus has to change. If you believe differently it would be interesting to hear how you think it can survive.Geely won't want to end up like Caterham where Tony Fernandes exotic dreams turned out to just as vacuous as Dani Bahar's.
Rawwr said:
Porsche911R said:
Rawwr said:
To me, that just seems like the attitude of someone deeply insecure about their own decisions.
I cannot see why that is insecure, it's good business sense, I run about in x amount worth of cars I own outright because I buy wise. !How can buying a car at the top of it's game be an insecure decision ? knowing I can sell it in two years as still the best car in that model range gaining max value back for it. it's not pose value or snob value other wise I would buy 911's ;-)
it's very hard to sell a gen 1 cup 250 now unless you price it £10k less. it basics Martin !
I find the comment very odd esp from you.
Even more bizarre is the incessant posting on threads asserting this unusual - and it is unusual - view.
I bought mine because I liked it and it ticks all the boxes for me. I don't intend to sell it at any time soon as it a weekend toy. I'm not one of these people that need the confidence boost to be seen in the latest an greatest car every 5 mins.so the "whats it worth" part doesn't matter.
All I know is that when I sell it in many years, it will be a great example of that type car and it will sell itself to someone likeminded as me.
If you go through life worrying about losing money on a car then you will probably die from the stress of it before retiring to enjoy the money you saved in depreciation.
rockin said:
MellowshipSlinky said:
Lotus isn't going to change just for you, so your choice is either like it, or lump it.
Lotus has to change. If you believe differently it would be interesting to hear how you think it can survive.Geely won't want to end up like Caterham where Tony Fernandes exotic dreams turned out to just as vacuous as Dani Bahar's.
Of course they'll change, but I was directing my statement at Demon bleating about what Lotus do at the moment.
'At the moment' he has to like it or lump it.
If / when things change, he'll still find a reason not to buy one.
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