Toshiba battery 6 minute charge 200 mile range soon...

[PoleDriver]

Looking at the majority of big cities, which must be a real target for EVs, how do people propose to charge their vehicles overnight when the majority of residences are terraced houses or flats with no guaranteed parking outside your own property?

[GroundEffect]

TooMany2cvs said:

GroundEffect said:

And we still have the opportunity for range extenders in vehicles. That hasn't been properly thrashed out in the marketplace yet.

Hasn't it?

Volt/Ampera - launched 2010
i3 - launched 2013

Looks from HML like about 3/4 of UK i3 buyers go down the REx route, 1/4 don't. (<8k i3s registered here to date.)

The fact that none of the other EV manufacturers have chosen that option probably says a fair bit.

Because petrol/diesel has been for the last 7 years still the standard choice. If that starts to get taxation penalties for being overly dirty, you could quite easily see a change.

You probably add ~$1500 to a vehicle to include a range-extender in installed cost, so expect £2-3k additional sales price. On top of reducing EV prices, these could become the standard for those of a long distance persuasion. Especially when they allow EV modes for zero emission running in ULEZs.

[TooMany2cvs]

PoleDriver said:

Looking at the majority of big cities, which must be a real target for EVs, how do people propose to charge their vehicles overnight when the majority of residences are terraced houses or flats with no guaranteed parking outside your own property?

There's always the Tokyo option.

Don't allow people to buy cars unless they can prove they have somewhere to park.

[TooMany2cvs]

GroundEffect said:

TooMany2cvs said:

GroundEffect said:

And we still have the opportunity for range extenders in vehicles. That hasn't been properly thrashed out in the marketplace yet.

Hasn't it?

Volt/Ampera - launched 2010
i3 - launched 2013

Looks from HML like about 3/4 of UK i3 buyers go down the REx route, 1/4 don't. (<8k i3s registered here to date.)

The fact that none of the other EV manufacturers have chosen that option probably says a fair bit.

Because petrol/diesel has been for the last 7 years still the standard choice. If that starts to get taxation penalties for being overly dirty, you could quite easily see a change.

You could use that argument for EVs as a whole, of course. End of the day, people can't buy what isn't available.

GroundEffect said:

You probably add ~$1500 to a vehicle to include a range-extender in installed cost, so expect £2-3k additional sales price. On top of reducing EV prices, these could become the standard for those of a long distance persuasion. Especially when they allow EV modes for zero emission running in ULEZs.

Just over £3k for the i3 - which does seem rather high for a moped motor shoved under the boot, tbh... No reason there should be 100% markup on the REx, though, if it was being used to drive sales rather than bulk margin.

[CrutyRammers]

PoleDriver said:

Looking at the majority of big cities, which must be a real target for EVs, how do people propose to charge their vehicles overnight when the majority of residences are terraced houses or flats with no guaranteed parking outside your own property?

How did petrol cars catch on when there were no petrol stations? Cars with a tiny range, and no support network. Yet catch on they did.

Manchester, for example, has a number of on-street charges. My boss often plugs his tesla into one during the day. Not beyond the whit of man to, for example, provide banks of those on residential streets, in car parks, etc.

[TooMany2cvs]

CrutyRammers said:

How did petrol cars catch on when there were no petrol stations? Cars with a tiny range, and no support network. Yet catch on they did.

They did have a support network. Petrol was bought from local blacksmiths, even chemists, in sealed gallon cans which could then be stored at home or on the vehicle for emergency en route use.