RE: Jaguar XJR575 SWB: Driven
Discussion
Ares said:
Danwise said:
Ares said:
RRS isn't a Jag. The XE SVR is a £150,000 very very limited edition, and the F-Type was likewise. The V8 is only available in a 5 year old F-Type and a 10yr old XJ.
Jag should be offering an XE-R and an XF-R. And they could (and did with the XF). The hottest saloons don't even compete with the warm Germans.
I'm a little confused. I am aware the RRS is a Land Rover product, you do know that LR and Jag are the same company? With the same engineers, using the same platforms and the same engines (pretty much). Also, I think you mean XE Project 8 and not SVR? The XE SVR has not been revealed yet and will be priced in line with BMW and Mercedes competitors. Plus the F-Type SVR (which I also believe you are referring to?) is not a limited edition plus was only released last year, not 5 years ago. There will not be an XR R because there will be no gap for it, there will be no XF R because there is no demand for it.Jag should be offering an XE-R and an XF-R. And they could (and did with the XF). The hottest saloons don't even compete with the warm Germans.
Plus I think you will find that hot Jaguar saloons have always been highly regarded against its German competition, which were developed with a considerably smaller budget.
unless Jag are merely LR's whipping boy?)I called it the Project 8 earlier (made by the SVR team though
)Jaguar keep saying there is no plans for an XE SVR (John Edwards, MD, Special Vehicle Operations) as the V8 is in it's final throws and thus they can't justify it's re-engineering. But I'm really interested in what details you have about a £60k XE SVR?
And it's the F-Type thats 5yrs old.
The last hot jaguar saloon (XFR) was 2009. The game has moved on since. Twice.
Ares said:
Yes, but we were talking about Jaguar (see the title unless Jag are merely LR's whipping boy?)
But you know the answer to this. JLR have been focused on the RR brands to rebuild the business, and are now moving more efforts to Jaguar. Lots of interesting cars over the next 3 or 4 years. unless Jag are merely LR's whipping boy?)LotusOmega375D said:
This will sell in minuscule numbers. Shirley a 93K flagship saloon should at least have the latest infotainment system?
Surely you don't think the Shirley joke is still funny, do you? Unless of course you can't spell surely or, you talking to someone called Shirley. Surely that's not the case.Hungrymc said:
Ares said:
Yes, but we were talking about Jaguar (see the title unless Jag are merely LR's whipping boy?)
But you know the answer to this. JLR have been focused on the RR brands to rebuild the business, and are now moving more efforts to Jaguar. Lots of interesting cars over the next 3 or 4 years. unless Jag are merely LR's whipping boy?)Ares said:
....which just back up my point about Jaguar being left behind.
Nope, it backs up that it’s part of a longer term business plan. I’d be amazed if they aren’t in a period of record sales and they have lots of new models on the horizon which will further increase sales. As opposed to being left behind, I think the last 4 or 5 years have made them more relevant than they have been for a very long time.They’re not all they can be by some way, but are on a very positive curve. Seems something to celebrate to me but hey ho.
Jaguar have certainly nailed the footballers' WAGs car market with this one.
Though I have to say it still turns my head when I see one of these. Mostly because they just look so enormous in comparison to anything else on the road, but I also appreciate the fact that they've tried to do something genuinely different with the styling, and just about managed to pull it off. I'm glad it's still made and might even consider buying one in 15 years from now when it's depreciated down to 10% of the retail price... and I'm looking forward to the next XJ!
Though I have to say it still turns my head when I see one of these. Mostly because they just look so enormous in comparison to anything else on the road, but I also appreciate the fact that they've tried to do something genuinely different with the styling, and just about managed to pull it off. I'm glad it's still made and might even consider buying one in 15 years from now when it's depreciated down to 10% of the retail price... and I'm looking forward to the next XJ!
Ares said:
But it's not is it? the XFR was 500bhp (and then 550bhp) and was a lot quicker. 25% faster to 60, even more to 100.
All the others brands have a warm model at the XFS level (S6/E43/550i/etc) AND a proper hot model at c600bhp.
Back to my point, Jag are missing out and woefully failing to match the Germans which is a criminal shame. Sir William Lyons wouldn't be amused
XFR was always 503hp, the XFR-S was 542All the others brands have a warm model at the XFS level (S6/E43/550i/etc) AND a proper hot model at c600bhp.
Back to my point, Jag are missing out and woefully failing to match the Germans which is a criminal shame. Sir William Lyons wouldn't be amused
0-60 of the XFR = 4.7
0-60 of the XF-S = 5.1
Most magazines reckoned the XFR wasn't as good as the M5 or E63 anyhow so was it ever really a match for the Germans ?
liner33 said:
XFR was always 503hp, the XFR-S was 542
0-60 of the XFR = 4.7
0-60 of the XF-S = 5.1
Most magazines reckoned the XFR wasn't as good as the M5 or E63 anyhow so was it ever really a match for the Germans ?
The XFR was always very much traction limited so even that not insubstantial difference in 0-60 times doesn't tell the full story. In reality an XFR will monster an XE-S in any situation, the XE doesn't have the rather effective e-diff of the XFR for a start. 0-60 of the XFR = 4.7
0-60 of the XF-S = 5.1
Most magazines reckoned the XFR wasn't as good as the M5 or E63 anyhow so was it ever really a match for the Germans ?
If you're looking for a 500bhp V8 E segment car you're not going to think a 360bhp odd D segment car is an appropriate substitute.
dme123 said:
The XFR was always very much traction limited so even that not insubstantial difference in 0-60 times doesn't tell the full story. In reality an XFR will monster an XE-S in any situation, the XE doesn't have the rather effective e-diff of the XFR for a start.
If you're looking for a 500bhp V8 E segment car you're not going to think a 360bhp odd D segment car is an appropriate substitute.
I'm taking about the 380hp XF-S not the XE , the new XF is much lighter than the old one If you're looking for a 500bhp V8 E segment car you're not going to think a 360bhp odd D segment car is an appropriate substitute.
liner33 said:
Ares said:
But it's not is it? the XFR was 500bhp (and then 550bhp) and was a lot quicker. 25% faster to 60, even more to 100.
All the others brands have a warm model at the XFS level (S6/E43/550i/etc) AND a proper hot model at c600bhp.
Back to my point, Jag are missing out and woefully failing to match the Germans which is a criminal shame. Sir William Lyons wouldn't be amused
XFR was always 503hp, the XFR-S was 542All the others brands have a warm model at the XFS level (S6/E43/550i/etc) AND a proper hot model at c600bhp.
Back to my point, Jag are missing out and woefully failing to match the Germans which is a criminal shame. Sir William Lyons wouldn't be amused
0-60 of the XFR = 4.7
0-60 of the XF-S = 5.1
Most magazines reckoned the XFR wasn't as good as the M5 or E63 anyhow so was it ever really a match for the Germans ?
XFR-S 3.9
And that is exactly my point. The XFR couldn't compete with the Germans. Now they've moved on, twice, and the Jag has gone backwards, it is not in the same league.
Initial point - Jaguar no longer have performance saloons, but could so easily have. Sir William would be shuddering.
liner33 said:
dme123 said:
The XFR was always very much traction limited so even that not insubstantial difference in 0-60 times doesn't tell the full story. In reality an XFR will monster an XE-S in any situation, the XE doesn't have the rather effective e-diff of the XFR for a start.
If you're looking for a 500bhp V8 E segment car you're not going to think a 360bhp odd D segment car is an appropriate substitute.
I'm taking about the 380hp XF-S not the XE , the new XF is much lighter than the old one If you're looking for a 500bhp V8 E segment car you're not going to think a 360bhp odd D segment car is an appropriate substitute.
Ares said:
XFR 4.4
XFR-S 3.9
And that is exactly my point. The XFR couldn't compete with the Germans. Now they've moved on, twice, and the Jag has gone backwards, it is not in the same league.
Initial point - Jaguar no longer have performance saloons, but could so easily have. Sir William would be shuddering.
Where did you get those figures from , total fiction LOLXFR-S 3.9
And that is exactly my point. The XFR couldn't compete with the Germans. Now they've moved on, twice, and the Jag has gone backwards, it is not in the same league.
Initial point - Jaguar no longer have performance saloons, but could so easily have. Sir William would be shuddering.
liner33 said:
Ares said:
XFR 4.4
XFR-S 3.9
And that is exactly my point. The XFR couldn't compete with the Germans. Now they've moved on, twice, and the Jag has gone backwards, it is not in the same league.
Initial point - Jaguar no longer have performance saloons, but could so easily have. Sir William would be shuddering.
Where did you get those figures from , total fiction LOLXFR-S 3.9
And that is exactly my point. The XFR couldn't compete with the Germans. Now they've moved on, twice, and the Jag has gone backwards, it is not in the same league.
Initial point - Jaguar no longer have performance saloons, but could so easily have. Sir William would be shuddering.
Ares said:
I wish they were true LOLliner33 said:
Ares said:
I wish they were true LOLrtz62 said:
Funny but true story, I went with a very good friend of mine into a BMW dealership, he was looking to order a 535d mSport for his wife.
We were both dressed in scruffs as we had been doing some dirty work (!!) and got treated appropriately.
A bit like the scene in Pretty Woman where Julia Roberts returns to the posh shop and tells them what huge mistake they'd made, we returned later in his Bentley Arnage.
They fell over themselves to welcome him until he told them to go forth and multiply in his broad London accent..
But if you turned up filthy, I can hardly say I blame them for treating you that way...We were both dressed in scruffs as we had been doing some dirty work (!!) and got treated appropriately.
A bit like the scene in Pretty Woman where Julia Roberts returns to the posh shop and tells them what huge mistake they'd made, we returned later in his Bentley Arnage.
They fell over themselves to welcome him until he told them to go forth and multiply in his broad London accent..
GTEYE said:
rtz62 said:
Funny but true story, I went with a very good friend of mine into a BMW dealership, he was looking to order a 535d mSport for his wife.
We were both dressed in scruffs as we had been doing some dirty work (!!) and got treated appropriately.
A bit like the scene in Pretty Woman where Julia Roberts returns to the posh shop and tells them what huge mistake they'd made, we returned later in his Bentley Arnage.
They fell over themselves to welcome him until he told them to go forth and multiply in his broad London accent..
But if you turned up filthy, I can hardly say I blame them for treating you that way...We were both dressed in scruffs as we had been doing some dirty work (!!) and got treated appropriately.
A bit like the scene in Pretty Woman where Julia Roberts returns to the posh shop and tells them what huge mistake they'd made, we returned later in his Bentley Arnage.
They fell over themselves to welcome him until he told them to go forth and multiply in his broad London accent..
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