One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4
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ben5575 said:
Sort of. There's three people involved on a dual carriageway for ease of explanation. Car 1 minding their own business in inside lane. Car 2 minding my own business in the same lane but closing on Car 1. Car 3 in outside lane going 2mph faster than me. Car 3 stays in outside lane and continues to crawl up to then along side me in Car 2. Meanwhile me in Car 2 is about to get boxed in unless I brake to let him crawl past me before rear ending Car 1 or accelerate to undertake Car 3 to overtake Car 1.
Normally this situation doesn't occur because people are paying attention/anticipating the road ahead or there is more than a 2mph speed differential. Car 3 in outside lane can see and anticipates Car 2 is approaching and soon to overtake a slower Car 1 in the inside lane. Car 3 judges whether to go past Car 2 with minimum inconvenience to them (i.e. not forcing them to brake) by speeding up or slows down to allow Car 2 pull out to overtake Car 1. Likewise Car 2 can use their mirrors and judge the space available. Generally no knobbing involved.
I've got no problem with Car 3 making progress and me in car 2 having to anticipate/slow/brake and let him by so as not to impede him; I'm often Car 3 myself. It's the dawdling 'I've set my cruise control and I ain't touching it and to hell with the anticipation/driving bit whilst I sit either on your bumper or alongside you' mentality that singles out the Knob.
Nope it's car 2's problem.Normally this situation doesn't occur because people are paying attention/anticipating the road ahead or there is more than a 2mph speed differential. Car 3 in outside lane can see and anticipates Car 2 is approaching and soon to overtake a slower Car 1 in the inside lane. Car 3 judges whether to go past Car 2 with minimum inconvenience to them (i.e. not forcing them to brake) by speeding up or slows down to allow Car 2 pull out to overtake Car 1. Likewise Car 2 can use their mirrors and judge the space available. Generally no knobbing involved.
I've got no problem with Car 3 making progress and me in car 2 having to anticipate/slow/brake and let him by so as not to impede him; I'm often Car 3 myself. It's the dawdling 'I've set my cruise control and I ain't touching it and to hell with the anticipation/driving bit whilst I sit either on your bumper or alongside you' mentality that singles out the Knob.
Either anticipate, and pull out before car 3 is close enough that it's an issue to pull out. (That's what I'd do if I was car 2 and doing the limit by GPS)
Or anticipate, lift off well in advance, and pull out after car 3 passes (if I'm not doing the limit, who cares about a few seconds off throttle here and there?).
It's not car 3s job to facilitate your overtake while he's overtaking you.
If you want to control the situation, control it. Get in into the overtaking lane in plenty of time, so car 3 only has to lift off/nudge the cruise down one or 2 clicks, or lift off yourself in plenty of time so you slot in behind the faster car smoothly. Don't b
h about not being able to anticipate the actions of a car that's obeying the law, not randomly changing lanes and is doing a steady speed.ben5575 said:
People who set their cruise control and sit in the clear outside lane completely oblivious to what is unfolding on the road in front of them.
For example; creeping up on you to the point where, after 10 seconds, the nose of their car is still only halfway alongside your car. You meanwhile are in the inside lane, catching up to a slower moving car in your lane, leaving you with no choice but to either drop 20 mph so the knob can complete his The Last Jedi overtake, or speed up and undertake him. If you're going to overtake, overtake, don't feckin dawdle!
Oh and before anybody does, pedantic Knobs who give a fk about correcting people's colloquial naming of lanes with the correct numbering system 
After reading your post several times and imagining it in my head, I still can't make tail nor head. But I do agree with you about the lanes of a motorway. They should be, as you say, lane 1, 2, 3. just like the police use. For example; creeping up on you to the point where, after 10 seconds, the nose of their car is still only halfway alongside your car. You meanwhile are in the inside lane, catching up to a slower moving car in your lane, leaving you with no choice but to either drop 20 mph so the knob can complete his The Last Jedi overtake, or speed up and undertake him. If you're going to overtake, overtake, don't feckin dawdle!
Oh and before anybody does, pedantic Knobs who give a f
k about correcting people's colloquial naming of lanes with the correct numbering system Edited by nonsequitur on Monday 23 July 14:11
Munter said:
If you want to control the situation, control it. Get in into the overtaking lane in plenty of time, so car 3 only has to lift off/nudge the cruise down one or 2 clicks, or lift off yourself in plenty of time so you slot in behind the faster car smoothly. Don't bh about not being able to anticipate the actions of a car that's obeying the law, not randomly changing lanes and is doing a steady speed.
h about not being able to anticipate the actions of a car that's obeying the law, not randomly changing lanes and is doing a steady speed.
I'm bhing about Car 3 who is sat in the outside lane with his cruise control on thinking that he owns the dual carriageway instead of being in the inside lane and pulling out to swiftly overtake me, then pulling back into lane. Lane hogging is a different but related point of course...I could be the knob that you suggest, that sees a car 800 yards ahead of me, sees a car in the outside lane 400 yards behind me, realise that he's going 2mph fast than me and pull into the outside lane at 70mph for 800 yards and slow everybody up 'to take control of the situation' for the better part of a mile.
Or to look at it from Car 3's perspective; driving in the outside lane, seeing Car 2 closing on Car 1 on the inside lane and either not anticipate that Car 2 will be wanting to pull out or think ah f
k it I'm going to keep on creeping past Car 2. I'll happily take your point if the speed differential is 10mph+ or whatever. As I've said above, Car 2 should and I would happily wait/slow whatever whilst the faster car goes by (I certainly wouldn't take control of the situation and sit in the outside lane at 70 to impede him). It's just when they are crawling past you.
It's a similar situation to seeing a car approaching and wanting to join from a slip road and you sitting in the inside lane because you are in the right and he has to give way, rather than pulling out in to the outside lane and letting him join.
ben5575 said:
Munter said:
If you want to control the situation, control it. Get in into the overtaking lane in plenty of time, so car 3 only has to lift off/nudge the cruise down one or 2 clicks, or lift off yourself in plenty of time so you slot in behind the faster car smoothly. Don't bh about not being able to anticipate the actions of a car that's obeying the law, not randomly changing lanes and is doing a steady speed.
h about not being able to anticipate the actions of a car that's obeying the law, not randomly changing lanes and is doing a steady speed. I'm bhing about Car 3 who is sat in the outside lane with his cruise control on thinking that he owns the dual carriageway instead of being in the inside lane and pulling out to swiftly overtake me, then pulling back into lane. Lane hogging is a different but related point of course...I could be the knob that you suggest, that sees a car 800 yards ahead of me, sees a car in the outside lane 400 yards behind me, realise that he's going 2mph fast than me and pull into the outside lane at 70mph for 800 yards and slow everybody up 'to take control of the situation' for the better part of a mile.
Or to look at it from Car 3's perspective; driving in the outside lane, seeing Car 2 closing on Car 1 on the inside lane and either not anticipate that Car 2 will be wanting to pull out or think ah f
k it I'm going to keep on creeping past Car 2. I'll happily take your point if the speed differential is 10mph+ or whatever. As I've said above, Car 2 should and I would happily wait/slow whatever whilst the faster car goes by (I certainly wouldn't take control of the situation and sit in the outside lane at 70 to impede him). It's just when they are crawling past you.
It's a similar situation to seeing a car approaching and wanting to join from a slip road and you sitting in the inside lane because you are in the right and he has to give way, rather than pulling out in to the outside lane and letting him join.
Blanchimont said:
Alex_225 said:
Reminds me of those people who seem to refuse to overtake a police car on the motorway. Despite the fact that it's doing 55-60mph and the speed limit is 70! Common sense dictates that they know they're under the limit and people will go past.
I used to work closely with an arm of the police, and often travelled in batternberg'd up patrol cars. He told me that if did 70 he would become a rolling roadblock as nobody would overtake at their normal speeds. Whereas sitting at 60 encouraged people to overtake a 70, keeping the traffic flowing better. Alex_225 said:
Oddly a lot of people are cautious passing even when the police car is well under the limit
A lot of people drive around without actually knowing what the speed limit is for the road that they're on. The NSL sign may as well be an ancient runic symbol to them. Hindhead tunnel is a perfect example of this as you'll have people drop from the 70-80mph that they were doing to 60 or even 50 as soon as they see the average speed cameras despite the 10 ft tall NSL signs. Or people that drive at 40-45 on a SC NSL road and then speed up on seeing a 50 sign. It's no wonder so many refuse to pass a police car on a DC as they don't have a clue whether they'd be speeding or not.
jagnet said:
A lot of people drive around without actually knowing what the speed limit is for the road that they're on. The NSL sign may as well be an ancient runic symbol to them. Hindhead tunnel is a perfect example of this as you'll have people drop from the 70-80mph that they were doing to 60 or even 50 as soon as they see the average speed cameras despite the 10 ft tall NSL signs.
I posted that here few months ago.Mercedes was "dominating" lane 2 going southbound ,I'm 3 cars behind wanting to make progress.
Tunnel ahead, Merc man slows to maybe 50 ,I sail past in L1 at 69.5 and carry on through tunnel to never see them again.
jagnet said:
Alex_225 said:
Oddly a lot of people are cautious passing even when the police car is well under the limit
A lot of people drive around without actually knowing what the speed limit is for the road that they're on. The NSL sign may as well be an ancient runic symbol to them. Hindhead tunnel is a perfect example of this as you'll have people drop from the 70-80mph that they were doing to 60 or even 50 as soon as they see the average speed cameras despite the 10 ft tall NSL signs. Or people that drive at 40-45 on a SC NSL road and then speed up on seeing a 50 sign. It's no wonder so many refuse to pass a police car on a DC as they don't have a clue whether they'd be speeding or not.
Munter said:
ben5575 said:
Munter said:
If you want to control the situation, control it. Get in into the overtaking lane in plenty of time, so car 3 only has to lift off/nudge the cruise down one or 2 clicks, or lift off yourself in plenty of time so you slot in behind the faster car smoothly. Don't bh about not being able to anticipate the actions of a car that's obeying the law, not randomly changing lanes and is doing a steady speed.
h about not being able to anticipate the actions of a car that's obeying the law, not randomly changing lanes and is doing a steady speed. I'm bhing about Car 3 who is sat in the outside lane with his cruise control on thinking that he owns the dual carriageway instead of being in the inside lane and pulling out to swiftly overtake me, then pulling back into lane. Lane hogging is a different but related point of course...I could be the knob that you suggest, that sees a car 800 yards ahead of me, sees a car in the outside lane 400 yards behind me, realise that he's going 2mph fast than me and pull into the outside lane at 70mph for 800 yards and slow everybody up 'to take control of the situation' for the better part of a mile.
Or to look at it from Car 3's perspective; driving in the outside lane, seeing Car 2 closing on Car 1 on the inside lane and either not anticipate that Car 2 will be wanting to pull out or think ah f
k it I'm going to keep on creeping past Car 2. I'll happily take your point if the speed differential is 10mph+ or whatever. As I've said above, Car 2 should and I would happily wait/slow whatever whilst the faster car goes by (I certainly wouldn't take control of the situation and sit in the outside lane at 70 to impede him). It's just when they are crawling past you.
It's a similar situation to seeing a car approaching and wanting to join from a slip road and you sitting in the inside lane because you are in the right and he has to give way, rather than pulling out in to the outside lane and letting him join.
Factor in the misery of 100 miles of average speed cameras and I can't just accelerate out of the way for you either (which I would normally be happy to do for you)- I'm going to have to brake, lose momentum unnecessarily, and perhaps upset people behind me.
What usually happens is that I cannot for the life of me see why the aforementioned dozy driver has gradually trundled up behind an artic or similarly slow-moving traffic and left it so late to pull out and pass....
This is 2 lane only I'm talking about. 3 or more and it's completely different.
Yesterday evening after following a Fiesta at 28mph through a 40-zone we approached a set of lights. At the lights there were 3 lanes marked; Left, straight, right. The Fiesta took the centre lane to go straight ahead, the same direction I needed. After the lights is a short two-lane section, 100 metres or so, before they merge.
Knowing this, as we left the lights, I pulled away harder than usual to get ahead of the Fiesta. Fiesta booted it as I came alongside, so I floored the car and slipped in just in front, hitting about 50mph. On this 40mph stretch, the Fiesta tailgated, made a few hand gestures, and managed to keep up with me while I was slowing down from 50mph. Sure enough, a few seconds later Fiesta had dropped long back behind me at 28mph again. This time they had an Ibiza being held up behind them.
Not long after this the Ibiza found a space to overtake and once again, Fiesta did not like this. A sudden knowledge of the location of the accelerator, tailgating, flashing lights... Slightly distracted by this in my mirror I had to brake harshly due to stopped traffic in front of me. Ibiza stopped firm behind me and a split second later... Crunch.
At first I thought it was the other side of the road and looked over to the traffic on the opposite carriageway. It was only after the lights changed and I pulled away that I saw the Ibiza driver getting out his car behind me... Fiesta into the back of the Ibiza!
Knowing this, as we left the lights, I pulled away harder than usual to get ahead of the Fiesta. Fiesta booted it as I came alongside, so I floored the car and slipped in just in front, hitting about 50mph. On this 40mph stretch, the Fiesta tailgated, made a few hand gestures, and managed to keep up with me while I was slowing down from 50mph. Sure enough, a few seconds later Fiesta had dropped long back behind me at 28mph again. This time they had an Ibiza being held up behind them.
Not long after this the Ibiza found a space to overtake and once again, Fiesta did not like this. A sudden knowledge of the location of the accelerator, tailgating, flashing lights... Slightly distracted by this in my mirror I had to brake harshly due to stopped traffic in front of me. Ibiza stopped firm behind me and a split second later... Crunch.
At first I thought it was the other side of the road and looked over to the traffic on the opposite carriageway. It was only after the lights changed and I pulled away that I saw the Ibiza driver getting out his car behind me... Fiesta into the back of the Ibiza!
romeogolf said:
Yesterday evening after following a Fiesta at 28mph through a 40-zone we approached a set of lights. At the lights there were 3 lanes marked; Left, straight, right. The Fiesta took the centre lane to go straight ahead, the same direction I needed. After the lights is a short two-lane section, 100 metres or so, before they merge.
Knowing this, as we left the lights, I pulled away harder than usual to get ahead of the Fiesta. Fiesta booted it as I came alongside, so I floored the car and slipped in just in front, hitting about 50mph. On this 40mph stretch, the Fiesta tailgated, made a few hand gestures, and managed to keep up with me while I was slowing down from 50mph. Sure enough, a few seconds later Fiesta had dropped long back behind me at 28mph again. This time they had an Ibiza being held up behind them.
Not long after this the Ibiza found a space to overtake and once again, Fiesta did not like this. A sudden knowledge of the location of the accelerator, tailgating, flashing lights... Slightly distracted by this in my mirror I had to brake harshly due to stopped traffic in front of me. Ibiza stopped firm behind me and a split second later... Crunch.
At first I thought it was the other side of the road and looked over to the traffic on the opposite carriageway. It was only after the lights changed and I pulled away that I saw the Ibiza driver getting out his car behind me... Fiesta into the back of the Ibiza!
Please tell me you stopped, I honestly don't thin I could've controlled my laughter at Fiestas expense. Knowing this, as we left the lights, I pulled away harder than usual to get ahead of the Fiesta. Fiesta booted it as I came alongside, so I floored the car and slipped in just in front, hitting about 50mph. On this 40mph stretch, the Fiesta tailgated, made a few hand gestures, and managed to keep up with me while I was slowing down from 50mph. Sure enough, a few seconds later Fiesta had dropped long back behind me at 28mph again. This time they had an Ibiza being held up behind them.
Not long after this the Ibiza found a space to overtake and once again, Fiesta did not like this. A sudden knowledge of the location of the accelerator, tailgating, flashing lights... Slightly distracted by this in my mirror I had to brake harshly due to stopped traffic in front of me. Ibiza stopped firm behind me and a split second later... Crunch.
At first I thought it was the other side of the road and looked over to the traffic on the opposite carriageway. It was only after the lights changed and I pulled away that I saw the Ibiza driver getting out his car behind me... Fiesta into the back of the Ibiza!
Fiesta driving dangerously, and subsequently went up Ibizas arse. Open and shut comes to mind.
jagnet said:
A lot of people drive around without actually knowing what the speed limit is for the road that they're on. The NSL sign may as well be an ancient runic symbol to them. Hindhead tunnel is a perfect example of this as you'll have people drop from the 70-80mph that they were doing to 60 or even 50 as soon as they see the average speed cameras despite the 10 ft tall NSL signs. Or people that drive at 40-45 on a SC NSL road and then speed up on seeing a 50 sign.
It's no wonder so many refuse to pass a police car on a DC as they don't have a clue whether they'd be speeding or not.
It's no wonder so many refuse to pass a police car on a DC as they don't have a clue whether they'd be speeding or not.
Saw this recently, I was behind a Police A6 on a nice wide clear NSL single carriageway A road. We catch up to a Jag X-Type who, on seeing the Police car, drops down to 30 mph
Police car then positions himself to the offside looking for an overtake (but it wasn’t on), guy in the Jag then tried to pull over and let him past but he clearly wasn’t going to go past with oncoming traffic travelling at 60 mph. Yet the guy in the Jag can’t fathom this and stays to the left braking, and braking, and braking down to about 15 mph before he realises the Police car isn’t coming past so accelerates back up to 30 mph before turning off at the next junction
I did exchange a laugh with the PC in the passenger seat but it was an utterly bewildering and rather frustrating experience...
Unfortunately, this afternoon it was me for being impatient.
Narrow road, just enough room for two cars to pass. I'm behind a black people carrier taxi, stationary, pulled into the side blocking the road from my direction and looking like he might be picking someone up- no brake lights, nothing. Van coming the other way stopped a couple of car lengths down, stationary as well. So after maybe 30 seconds I indicated to pull out around the taxi.
Turns out he was stationary because he was waiting for someone else to park (his road positioning blocking my view of them), and now I'm basically stuck half way round the taxi and blocking both lanes. Got quite rightly shouted at for that one and felt like a bit of a tool.
Narrow road, just enough room for two cars to pass. I'm behind a black people carrier taxi, stationary, pulled into the side blocking the road from my direction and looking like he might be picking someone up- no brake lights, nothing. Van coming the other way stopped a couple of car lengths down, stationary as well. So after maybe 30 seconds I indicated to pull out around the taxi.
Turns out he was stationary because he was waiting for someone else to park (his road positioning blocking my view of them), and now I'm basically stuck half way round the taxi and blocking both lanes. Got quite rightly shouted at for that one and felt like a bit of a tool.
Edited by ManOpener on Thursday 26th July 21:43
mhurley said:
This happened yesterday and several times before:
I'm on a country road with a tailgater behind.
On a safe straight I indicate left and slow down, the idea being the tailgater will over take me
What happens? He just slows down as well and we both come to a complete stop.
I then have to indicate with me arm for him to overtake
Indicators on and then just wander off into the wilderness.I'm on a country road with a tailgater behind.
On a safe straight I indicate left and slow down, the idea being the tailgater will over take me
What happens? He just slows down as well and we both come to a complete stop.
I then have to indicate with me arm for him to overtake
Driving south on the M1 last night. They're closing off L1 800 metres (or yards?) ahead. I'm in L1 and decide there's not much traffic about, I'll not do what most sheep do and move over at the 800 marker, I'll move over a little closer. There's barely any traffic and what there is all doing 50 MPH as that's what the gantry signs say.
So I let the 800, 600 and then 400 marker pass - I'm still in L1 at this point. Just before the 200 marker I indicate to pull into L2, after checking mirrors and there's a Merc Sprinter van in L2 probably 60M back (he's been there since the 800 marker at this point).
Angry Sprinter man then sees my indicator and must have floored it to close the 60M gap. I can't quite believe what I'm seeing in my mirror at this point. Feels like I'm sat there indicating for 20 seconds while I watch him catch up. He gets right up the arse of the car in front, realises he's way too close to that and then drops back just over a car length behind him. There's just - and I mean just - enough room for my car to squeeze in there.
At this stage he's an utter knob jockey for deliberately and desperately closing the door, but I then I do an arguably knobbish thing and just pull out into that gap he's left himself as I'm getting real close to the cones at this point. Cue knob jockey going berserk with horn and lights and some angry shouting from the pair of us through the window as he pulls next to me in lane 3. Note the motorway was nearly empty so he easily moved into lane 3 and accelerated so he could berate me.
After sleeping on it, probably I should have just braked tp pull in behind him and let wkstain get on with his miserable life of road crusading, but he deliberately closed that massive gap either because he'd have preferred me to have moved over at the 800 marker or more likely he needed to get home for some furious masturbation. fker.
So I let the 800, 600 and then 400 marker pass - I'm still in L1 at this point. Just before the 200 marker I indicate to pull into L2, after checking mirrors and there's a Merc Sprinter van in L2 probably 60M back (he's been there since the 800 marker at this point).
Angry Sprinter man then sees my indicator and must have floored it to close the 60M gap. I can't quite believe what I'm seeing in my mirror at this point. Feels like I'm sat there indicating for 20 seconds while I watch him catch up. He gets right up the arse of the car in front, realises he's way too close to that and then drops back just over a car length behind him. There's just - and I mean just - enough room for my car to squeeze in there.
At this stage he's an utter knob jockey for deliberately and desperately closing the door, but I then I do an arguably knobbish thing and just pull out into that gap he's left himself as I'm getting real close to the cones at this point. Cue knob jockey going berserk with horn and lights and some angry shouting from the pair of us through the window as he pulls next to me in lane 3. Note the motorway was nearly empty so he easily moved into lane 3 and accelerated so he could berate me.
After sleeping on it, probably I should have just braked tp pull in behind him and let w
kstain get on with his miserable life of road crusading, but he deliberately closed that massive gap either because he'd have preferred me to have moved over at the 800 marker or more likely he needed to get home for some furious masturbation. fker.Edited by buymeabar on Friday 27th July 10:18
Driving at 30mph ( on a 30 limited road ) I was approaching a left turn. I was going straight on and there was a cyclist coming towards me in the centre of the road with his arm out indicating he was going to turn right. Luckily I slowed a bit, not knowing if he would dart across in front of me and a Range Rover overtook the cyclist on his right, nearly wiping him out. The RR must have been doing at least 50mph. What a knob.
The biker yesterday who I caught up with, who then gradually slowed from 55-50-40 and then as we approached a 3 lane section where I could overtake him wound it back up! Before slowing again. Thankfully this time I managed to get past him and a lorry that was further ahead.
I don't know if he was being a knob or was just incompetent because he seemed very reluctant to filter when stopped, or overtake anything (he remained a few vehicles behind me) and I could see in my mirror he was randomly speeding up and slowing down. Very weird.
I don't know if he was being a knob or was just incompetent because he seemed very reluctant to filter when stopped, or overtake anything (he remained a few vehicles behind me) and I could see in my mirror he was randomly speeding up and slowing down. Very weird.
Triumph Man said:
I don't know if he was being a knob or was just incompetent because he seemed very reluctant to filter when stopped, or overtake anything (he remained a few vehicles behind me) and I could see in my mirror he was randomly speeding up and slowing down. Very weird.
Filtering is hardly mandatory, and brings it's own risks. Sounds like the rider was simply inexperienced and lacking confidence.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff