One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

[Bobberoo99]

cjs racing. said:

I fully expect to be on a dashcam video some time soon.

Driving through a 30 zone today, no issues, get to a 50 zone, so start to accelerate, not fast, just normal acceleration. As I do so, the car behind decides now is the time to overtake, except he struggles to get level with me, let alone overtake me.

Nice straight road, as I settle at 50, he comes alongside, what I presume to be his wife in the passenger seat is bouncing up up and down angrily, pointing to a dashcam, and shouting CAMURRRAH CAMURRRAH. He then gets in front as I'm sat at 50, and he finally has enough power to overtake me.

Not quite sure why the anger, he must have anticipated that I would speed up.

It seems to be the norm now that people just instantly blame the other person rather than accept their own failings, an example from yesterday on the way home, DC with a junction which has a sliproad off and a short sliproad on, as i'm along side the off sliproad a Berlingo van comes barreling out of the on slip in front of me, i'm doing 50, he's not, yes i could have just swerved out around him , but i chose to leave it a bit late and cut in a bit early to "express" my displeasure at him causing the issue in the first place, instead of putting his hand up and accepting that he was wrong i got the coffee beans and arm waving, i didn't react as i was wrong to react the way i did in the first place, and yes two wrongs don't make a right, but the tt didn't even look as he came flying out onto the DC!!!!

[nonsequitur]

cherryowen said:

What a coincidence that this thread has popped up again!

Knobs = drivers who see it fit to drive at 50mph on two lane motorways like, for example. the M54. I'm looking at you in the 1995 Corolla on my way in to work, and you in the '54 plate Zafira on the way back.

Koonts, the pair of you

Did they drive at 50 in lane one or lane two. ? Obviously if in lane one a simple overtake would suffice.

[trails]

Pan Pan Pan said:

I suspect the 911 driver, would feel even more of a plum if `he' got a speeding fine for exceeding the limit, simply to get out of the way of the tailgater.
How would you feel if you got an NIP for exceeding the limit, simply because you did so to allow the gross speeder/tailgater to get by you? the gross speeder /tailgater clearly couldn't give a monkeys whether or not he got done for speeding/tailgating, but getting a speeding fine yourself, for helping him to do so is clearly even dumber.

Who gives a flying f*ck if the Focus gets a NIP or how much he is exceeding the limit by, 911 was behaving like a Captain of the Road he should just have moved over...he didn't need to get a NIP he could have continued to edge past you and pull in. You could have eased off the gas to facilitate the move too.

[Pan Pan Pan]

trails said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I suspect the 911 driver, would feel even more of a plum if `he' got a speeding fine for exceeding the limit, simply to get out of the way of the tailgater.
How would you feel if you got an NIP for exceeding the limit, simply because you did so to allow the gross speeder/tailgater to get by you? the gross speeder /tailgater clearly couldn't give a monkeys whether or not he got done for speeding/tailgating, but getting a speeding fine yourself, for helping him to do so is clearly even dumber.

Who gives a flying f*ck if the Focus gets a NIP or how much he is exceeding the limit by, 911 was behaving like a Captain of the Road he should just have moved over...he didn't need to get a NIP he could have continued to edge past you and pull in. You could have eased off the gas to facilitate the move too.

So what you are saying, is that drivers who are driving within the law should either start driving outside the law, or impede their journeys, to make it easier for knob drivers to drive like knobs.

[trails]

Pan Pan Pan said:

So what you are saying, is that drivers who are driving within the law should either start driving outside the law, or impede their journeys, to make it easier for knob drivers to drive like knobs.

Porsche was already 'creeping' past you so all he had to do was continue with his progress and move left -as advised by the Highway Code if not over taking- so no requirement to break the law. If you think you are going to impede your journey by rolling off the gas for a few seconds then I fear for your sanity travelling anywhere by car in this country

[yellowjack]

trails said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

So what you are saying, is that drivers who are driving within the law should either start driving outside the law, or impede their journeys, to make it easier for knob drivers to drive like knobs.

Porsche was already 'creeping' past you so all he had to do was continue with his progress and move left -as advised by the Highway Code if not over taking- so no requirement to break the law. If you think you are going to impede your journey by rolling off the gas for a few seconds then I fear for your sanity travelling anywhere by car in this country

Not trying to start a fight here, but having read all of this, I'm struck by the idea that the best way to have dealt with all of this would have been for 'Pan Pan Pan' to have "rolled off the gas" for a few seconds himself, made a space ahead of him, and alongside the Porsche, and waved the Porsche driver into said space. It's a simple awareness issue to me. If I'm aware of someone staying too long alongside me, I don't want that. At some point I may be in their blind spot, or they may not bother to look, and move left into me. When the Focus driver arrives at speed, and starts tailgating? I'm starting to get concerned. Angry, impatient people drive unpredictably, and may dive for any perceived space to get past.

If backing off and letting the two other drivers sort things out doesn't work? Then there's little else you can do really. But at least if you back off, and the Porsche backs off to stay alongside and deliberately blocks the Focus driver's progress, then you definitively (IMHO) know which of them is the greater knob. That's not to have a dig at Pan here, just to suggest that another driver might have dealt with it differently and let the other two get away up the road to continue their conflict at a relatively safe distance...

[trails]

yellowjack said:

Not trying to start a fight here, but having read all of this, I'm struck by the idea that the best way to have dealt with all of this would have been for 'Pan Pan Pan' to have "rolled off the gas" for a few seconds himself, made a space ahead of him, and alongside the Porsche, and waved the Porsche driver into said space. It's a simple awareness issue to me. If I'm aware of someone staying too long alongside me, I don't want that. At some point I may be in their blind spot, or they may not bother to look, and move left into me. When the Focus driver arrives at speed, and starts tailgating? I'm starting to get concerned. Angry, impatient people drive unpredictably, and may dive for any perceived space to get past.

If backing off and letting the two other drivers sort things out doesn't work? Then there's little else you can do really. But at least if you back off, and the Porsche backs off to stay alongside and deliberately blocks the Focus driver's progress, then you definitively (IMHO) know which of them is the greater knob. That's not to have a dig at Pan here, just to suggest that another driver might have dealt with it differently and let the other two get away up the road to continue their conflict at a relatively safe distance...

<nods> just basic defensive driving that can defuse a situation before it starts to escalate

[Europa1]

Monkeylegend said:

Blown2CV said:

Monkeylegend said:

Kuji said:

ManOpener said:

I don't think anyone necessarily disagrees he was the bigger tool- that doesn't preclude the Porsche driver from also being a plum, albeit not the prize one.

This.

I wonder if the Porsche and Ford driver are still thinking about the incident?

I wonder if they even knew there was an incident?

i think that's a very polite way of saying can you all just shut the fk up about it now.

It seems to have worked

Unfortunately, it would appear it hasn't.

[Monkeylegend]

Europa1 said:

Monkeylegend said:

Blown2CV said:

Monkeylegend said:

Kuji said:

ManOpener said:

I don't think anyone necessarily disagrees he was the bigger tool- that doesn't preclude the Porsche driver from also being a plum, albeit not the prize one.

This.

I wonder if the Porsche and Ford driver are still thinking about the incident?

I wonder if they even knew there was an incident?

i think that's a very polite way of saying can you all just shut the fk up about it now.

It seems to have worked

Unfortunately, it would appear it hasn't.

Makes you wonder how some people manage in real life, they could argue with themselves in an empty room and still be wrong

[trails]

Monkeylegend said:

Makes you wonder how some people manage in real life, they could argue with themselves in an empty room and still be wrong

The internet is a cruel mistress

[Berkshire bred]

cjs racing. said:

I fully expect to be on a dashcam video some time soon.

Driving through a 30 zone today, no issues, get to a 50 zone, so start to accelerate, not fast, just normal acceleration. As I do so, the car behind decides now is the time to overtake, except he struggles to get level with me, let alone overtake me.


Nice straight road, as I settle at 50, he comes alongside, what I presume to be his wife in the passenger seat is bouncing up up and down angrily, pointing to a dashcam, and shouting CAMURRRAH CAMURRRAH. He then gets in front as I'm sat at 50, and he finally has enough power to overtake me.

Not quite sure why the anger, he must have anticipated that I would speed up.

One of my favourite driving moment's, st car aggressively tailgating you through a 30, NSL comes into sight and they go for the overtake. At an amazingly slow rate they begin to creep past. At this point I get to the limit change and bury the loud pedal leaving them behind. Normally raises theyre blood pressure.

Alternatively let then finish the pedestrian overtake and then belt it past at maximum rate of knots hopefully with a nice loud backfire. I may not be entirely innocent in these circumstances.

[Monkeylegend]

Monkeylegend said:

Europa1 said:

Monkeylegend said:

Blown2CV said:

Monkeylegend said:

Kuji said:

ManOpener said:

I don't think anyone necessarily disagrees he was the bigger tool- that doesn't preclude the Porsche driver from also being a plum, albeit not the prize one.

This.

I wonder if the Porsche and Ford driver are still thinking about the incident?

I wonder if they even knew there was an incident?

i think that's a very polite way of saying can you all just shut the fk up about it now.

It seems to have worked

Unfortunately, it would appear it hasn't.

Makes you wonder how some people manage in real life, they could argue with themselves in an empty room and still be wrong

Not good form to quote yourself/myself but I think we have stopped it now

[Pan Pan Pan]

trails said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

So what you are saying, is that drivers who are driving within the law should either start driving outside the law, or impede their journeys, to make it easier for knob drivers to drive like knobs.

Porsche was already 'creeping' past you so all he had to do was continue with his progress and move left -as advised by the Highway Code if not over taking- so no requirement to break the law. If you think you are going to impede your journey by rolling off the gas for a few seconds then I fear for your sanity travelling anywhere by car in this country

And I fear for yours, if you slam on the brakes every time a vehicle overtakes you.
If you had read what I posted, you would know that the 911 had been exceeding the limit but only by 1 to 3 mph, because he only overhauled me very slowly, and when just ahead must have decided it would be a good idea to slow down to exactly the 50 mph limit, Nothing illegal about that. When the 911 came alongside me, knobber in the focus was not even in sight, but must have been exceeding the limit by such a huge margin, he quickly came up behind the 911.
There was only ONE person in this, who needed to moderate the way they were driving, and it wasn't the 911, or me, it was the knobber who was A.grossly exceeding the limit, and B.tailgating the 911.
Driving alongside another vehicle on a dual carriageway when both are adhering to the posted limit is not illegal and is going to happen all the time, but grossly exceeding the posted limit is, and indulging in tailgating most certainly is illegal.
Odd that you seem to favour those driving like a knob, rather than those driving legally, what a strange attitude to have.

[Pan Pan Pan]

yellowjack said:

trails said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

So what you are saying, is that drivers who are driving within the law should either start driving outside the law, or impede their journeys, to make it easier for knob drivers to drive like knobs.

Porsche was already 'creeping' past you so all he had to do was continue with his progress and move left -as advised by the Highway Code if not over taking- so no requirement to break the law. If you think you are going to impede your journey by rolling off the gas for a few seconds then I fear for your sanity travelling anywhere by car in this country

Not trying to start a fight here, but having read all of this, I'm struck by the idea that the best way to have dealt with all of this would have been for 'Pan Pan Pan' to have "rolled off the gas" for a few seconds himself, made a space ahead of him, and alongside the Porsche, and waved the Porsche driver into said space. It's a simple awareness issue to me. If I'm aware of someone staying too long alongside me, I don't want that. At some point I may be in their blind spot, or they may not bother to look, and move left into me. When the Focus driver arrives at speed, and starts tailgating? I'm starting to get concerned. Angry, impatient people drive unpredictably, and may dive for any perceived space to get past.

If backing off and letting the two other drivers sort things out doesn't work? Then there's little else you can do really. But at least if you back off, and the Porsche backs off to stay alongside and deliberately blocks the Focus driver's progress, then you definitively (IMHO) know which of them is the greater knob. That's not to have a dig at Pan here, just to suggest that another driver might have dealt with it differently and let the other two get away up the road to continue their conflict at a relatively safe distance...

By rolling off the gas, and creating a gap that the knobber could then dive into, all I would be doing would be encouraging the knobber to do yet another illegal maneuver, so now we would
have the knobber.1 grossly exceeding the posted limit 2. tailgating. and 3 undertaking, when by the time the knobber came up behind the 911 when both the 911, and myself were travelling legally at the posted limit.
On any dual carriage way where cars are adhering to the posted limit, then it is inevitable that cars are going to be running alongside each other for extended distances. Nothing wrong, difficult, or illegal about that. Also the 911 driver was not in conflict with the focus driver, he was simply driving in the outer lane at the posted limit, if there was a conflict, it only arrived in the form of the knobber in the focus with his illegal driving.

[Blown2CV]

Please draw a line under it now. It’s seriously boring and you’re not going to all of a sudden agree.

[Dr Murdoch]

Please stop or take it to a PM, its ruining the thread...

[Hol]

It’s done guys.

Zero points for both drivers.

/end of.

[Hol]

I nominate the ten or so people trying look inconspicuous by looking at their phones or screens whilst crowding the usually empty ticket hall at my rail station.

Usually empty, because it’s not every day the rail revenue team are there to catch the fare dodgers leaving or arriving without a ticket.

[nonsequitur]

Hol said:

I nominate the ten or so people trying look inconspicuous by looking at their phones or screens whilst crowding the usually empty ticket hall at my rail station.

Usually empty, because it’s not every day the rail revenue team are there to catch the fare dodgers leaving or arriving without a ticket.

Inspectors. Doing their job, Why knobs? :

Edited by nonsequitur on Thursday 20th September 08:51

[yellowjack]

Hol said:

I nominate the ten or so people trying look inconspicuous by looking at their phones or screens whilst crowding the usually empty ticket hall at my rail station.

Usually empty, because it’s not every day the rail revenue team are there to catch the fare dodgers leaving or arriving without a ticket.

Ah, that amused me no end on arriving at Reading station on Festival weekend. Early (Thursday) arrivals seemed to be particularly keen on chancing it without a ticket, judging by the ever-growing corral of ferral yoof being dealt with by the 'revenue protection team'. There were more staff than ticket barriers, and as luck would have it we had our tickets for a change. We normally either have to buy on the train, or settle up at the excess fares kiosk on the platform side because (what feels like) 90% of the time the ticket machine at the unmanned local station we get on at isn't working.

Highly amusing watching those (mostly) middle class kids switch from their swaggering wanna-be gangsta shtick on the departure platform and the train, into their best "I want my mummy" face as they call home in a flap. Dude? Really? If you(r mummy) can afford a weekend ticket for Reading Festival, you(r mummy) can definitely afford the cost of a rail ticket to get there too...